HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » We don't need to increase...

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:20 AM

We don't need to increase tax credits for health insurance. We need to implement Medicare for all

and a flat 5% income tax on all income no matter the source. If Democrats control the house, senate and white house then they shoukld get rid of the filibuster in the Senate and vote Medicare for all in.

21 replies, 528 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 21 replies Author Time Post
Reply We don't need to increase tax credits for health insurance. We need to implement Medicare for all (Original post)
KWR65 Jun 24 OP
Walleye Jun 24 #1
lagomorph777 Jun 24 #5
Autumn Jun 24 #6
Walleye Jun 24 #8
Autumn Jun 24 #9
Mariana Jun 24 #14
Mariana Jun 24 #12
Walleye Jun 24 #15
Hassin Bin Sober Jun 24 #18
we can do it Jun 24 #2
crickets Jun 24 #17
Karma13612 Jun 24 #3
lagomorph777 Jun 24 #4
TheFarseer Jun 24 #19
SoonerPride Jun 24 #7
KPN Jun 24 #13
dalton99a Jun 24 #20
Drunken Irishman Jun 24 #10
KPN Jun 24 #11
Wounded Bear Jun 24 #16
dalton99a Jun 24 #21

Response to KWR65 (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:24 AM

1. Question: will Medicare for all work like the current Medicare?

Because I have Medicare now and still have to pay a lot of money to doctors and hospitals.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Walleye (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:35 AM

5. Depends on how many Russiapublicans we get rid of in November.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Walleye (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:37 AM

6. Really? You should get a supplemental. I'm on Medicare and with that I pay a small

co pay to hospitals and no co pay for Dr. visits.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Autumn (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:52 AM

8. Ok. So with Medicare for all, will we all have to buy supplemental insurance?

I still donít understand how the Medicare for all proponents plan to make it work. With single payer will we still get bills for every visit and procedure?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Walleye (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:58 AM

9. MFA will work better than the ACA and covers more than Medicare does now.

The info is out there. But since this is now and you are paying so much in co pays you can easily get a supplemental insurance . Many are free.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Walleye (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:11 AM

14. You're asking questions that are impossible to answer at this time.

However, here is one proposal. It may be that Medicare for All might look something like this:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1129/text

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Walleye (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:08 AM

12. You'd pay a whole lot more if you didn't have Medicare. nt.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mariana (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:14 AM

15. I know that. Medicare is good, but why can't it pay the whole bill

Was it intended to work this way? Or did republicans get their dirty fingers on it. They were always against it. I think they would still get rid of it if they could. My point is even if we get Medicare for all the republicans will still work hard to defeat and destroy it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Walleye (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 12:25 PM

18. I'll never forget the look on the face of my friend's mom from England when I explained ...

.... what seniors have to pay in retirement.

Medicare is a crippled system because you canít segregate risk pools by placing old sick people in one pool and expect it to work. Thatís not how insurance works in a sane society.

The risk pool needs to be expanded to everyone and the profit motive needs to be removed. Health insurance in this country started out as not-for-profit.

For profit insurance has no incentive to keep costs down beyond their current contract period until they can boost rates. In fact, they have a reverse incentive because their cut of the pie increases.

Negotiating costs, removing profit and removing astronomical inefficiency in the system will allow this richest country on the planet to take care of our seniors like every other country.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KWR65 (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:27 AM

2. Flat tax over taxes the poor, under taxes rich. So no.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to we can do it (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 12:11 PM

17. Truth! Thank you. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KWR65 (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:33 AM

3. I agree

When I lived and worked in England, they took a percentage of my income for health insurance.
And I got care and testing, etc for $00

Itís time, itís doable and itís the RIGHT thing to do.

This crappy state by state piece meal coverage with patchwork insurance benefits is causing so many headaches.

Does the government not understand that with one system, it will cut costs on red tape and administration?

Some will ask, ďwhat do you do with all the insurance company employees?Ē

Put them to work processing all the enrollees initially. Then phase some out to do data analysis of healthcare data to improve patient outcomes.
In the NHS, there were people who input data into the computer system for each patientís Visit and their diagnosis. This data was later analyzed in order to improve patient outcomes and make care more efficient and keep costs low.

Here in the states, even in rural hospitals, the data on patient visits is oftrn input in real time. The diagnosis Codes are added at that time or later by medical coders. Same with procedures performed.
With Medicare for all, this information would be analyzed in order to improve out comes.
Right now, the codes are used to drive the insurance claims process.

We still need bodies for it all to work. They just might be doing different jobs.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KWR65 (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:35 AM

4. Yes to Medicare For All; NO to regressive taxation.

Flat tax is an extreme right wing/libertarian position; odd to see it promoted on DU.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 12:25 PM

19. Part of the flat tax idea is good

The part where investment income etc isnít treated at a special lower rate or exempt for some special reason. Obviously the part where you get rid of the brackets because that allegedly makes it too confusing is bad.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KWR65 (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 10:49 AM

7. Eliminate the filibuster. Expand SCOTUS, add two new states, & Medicare for all

No more playing a long slow game.

Go for the jugular and make these reforms happen in February 2021.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SoonerPride (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:08 AM

13. I agree. We will never get affordable health care for all if we don't. Sometimes you have

to make risky moves to achieve goals. It's about time we did that. In my mind, getting rid of the filibuster is one of those things where "what have you got to lose" actually does make sense. We are basically going to continue to get screwed by a ruthless GOP if we don't. .... I'm sure I'm in the minority on that, but I'm almost 70 and pretty frigging fed up with the shit that's gone on the past 45 years. Enough is enough!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SoonerPride (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 12:29 PM

20. +1


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KWR65 (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:02 AM

10. A flat tax? No fucking way.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KWR65 (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:06 AM

11. Duplicate post. I agree. We will never get affordable health care for all if we don't. Sometimes

to make risky moves to achieve goals. It's about time we did that. In my mind, getting rid of the filibuster is one of those things where "what have you got to lose" actually does make sense. We are basically going to continue to get screwed by a ruthless GOP if we don't. .... I'm sure I'm in the minority on that, but I'm almost 70 and pretty frigging fed up with the shit that's gone on the past 45 years. Enough is enough!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KWR65 (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:16 AM

16. Tax credits work fine for those who can already afford the insurance...

for the poor, they're the side order on the New York steak you can't afford to begin with.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KWR65 (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 12:30 PM

21. Tax credits are meaningless for most working people.



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread