Glenn Kirschner believes A full bench will hear

[TEB]

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Judge Sullivan refuses to dismiss Flynn case told to by my wife.

A update at 07:12 my wife read this on glen Kirschner twitter account

[canetoad]

1. Interesting to see

How far the Barr/Trump DOJ will go to get Flynn off the hook.

[Hortensis]

2. Not in the news yet, but let it be true!

[TEB]

3. My wife told me she read it on Glenn kirshner twitler

My friend Hortensis Yes let this be true

[Hortensis]

4. Turns out to be his prediction. But I hadn't read this last night.

So much happening.

Link to tweet

[TEB]

5. Apologies

[lagomorph777]

22. Sullivan's not going to roll over for some rogue Turd appointee.

And Sullivan has a huge advantage: he knows the law.

[Lonestarblue]

6. Why all this effort for Flynn since Trump can just pardon him?

Being suspicious of Trump and everyone around him, I’m wondering whether Flynn has something on Trump that he is threatening to reveal if he is not cleared. Trump isn’t really loyal to anyone, so it’s curious that he’s expending so much effort to clear Flynn.

[TEB]

7. I have thought the same lonestareblue

What does he have on trump

[Solomon]

8. He wants to break the justice system - completely.

[blakstoneranger]

18. Like Most White Collar Criminals

[PCIntern]

9. Yeah

I personally know three women from New York who have something on Trump. But it never seems to matter.

[mercuryblues]

11. trump needs the guilty plea dismissed

If he is pardoned after he pled guilty it will make trump look bad. If Flynn's plea is overturned it will be one more talking point on how the the Obama administration and Democrats would do anything Witch hunt! Then repukes can open up yet another investigation into Obama/BIDEN.

[demented_cleric]

12. Pardon presumes underlying guilt. Dismissal no case to answer.

If he's guilty then Trump is guilty too. If the case against Flynn goes away, then any case against Trump goes too.

[panader0]

14. First post eh? Welcome to DU! You'll love it here.

[GreenPartyVoter]

30. Demented cleric.... a punk monk?

Welcome to DU.

[lark]

32. Hello and welcome to this awesome place for reality based folks.

[Demsrule86]

35. He was convicted of lying to the FBI...so Trump is still under the gun in terms of a case.

[StarfishSaver]

20. A dismissal lets Trump go around saying he was "exonerated"

That's crap, but ...

[jaxexpat]

23. It's simpler than almost anything imaginable........

Trump never passes up a "F--K YOU" moment. Even when ,"thanks" would be more appropriate.
It's in the echo of his every word, every timbre of his speech, hand gestures, head inclination, maliciously petulant squinted eyed glare exposing his perpetual anger, near rage. Usually aimed at those who dare to exercise authority over him. Even inanimate objects, like the constitution and rule of law, for instance. Because they represent the threat of limitations branded onto his infantile brain while in his crib, unattended, years ago and every moment since, summoning those same feelings of primal frustration and seething impatience.

He may just need changing and a bottle. Maybe just gas.

[lagomorph777]

24. It would be politically too costly to pardon Flynn - easier to let Flintstone handle it.

[Ohioboy]

29. Flynn is a double edged sword with Trump

Flynn, Trump, Pence and the whole gang know damn well that Flynn was in contact with the Russians over sanctions behind Obama's back. It was recorded. Flynn lied to the FBI and they knew it because the FBI is allowed to listen in on conversations with foreign diplomats. Flynn was caught on a call with a foreign diplomat. The FBI did nothing illegal, and Flynn was caught.

At first, Trump and team needed to make it appear that they didn't know Flynn was going behind Obama's back, so Trump fired Flynn under the narrative that he had lied to Pence. This was necessary because Pence had made public statements about the situation that made it apparent they all knew, unless Flynn had lied to Pence. Flynn basically took one for Team Trump to keep their story straight. This left Trump owing Flynn big time.

Flynn, having been caught, pleaded guilty.

For awhile Trump didn't know whether Flynn had spilled the beans or not. That's why Trump got accused of trying to tamper with Flynn as a witness. There were even times when Trump seemed to hint at a pardon for Flynn. This is all easy to look up.

Now, Trump needs Flynn to be the innocent victim of FBI abuse in order to change history and keep himself from being guilty.

[Eyeball_Kid]

31. Good summary. n/t

[Dios Mio]

10. I hope, hope

that’s true. Of all the recent events, this has really put my snickers in a snot. Aside from that, AG’s face looks like a squinty eyed pig.

[hlthe2b]

13. WHOAH, TEB. THAT IS NOT OFFICIAL, but Kirschner's opinion ONLY

I too hope he is right, but note that he states 'IMO'

Link to tweet

Psst. You really should edit your subject line to state that Kirschner BELIEVES ....

[TEB]

17. Thank You friend

[panader0]

15. Everyone, including Flynn himself, knows he is guilty.

He pled guilty. Dismissal of the case is so obviously a political thing. No one is fooled.
I hope the judge gets to retry the case.

[UCmeNdc]

16. Hope Kirschner is correct

It seems as if laws do not matter when it comes to Trump.

[StarfishSaver]

19. He stayed the proceedings, which means he expects and appeal or en banc rehearing

[bucolic_frolic]

21. A lot rests on this case, unitary executive theory seems basis for the ruling

[jaxexpat]

25. "...unitary executive theory..."

Is that part of the endocrine system? The "unitary" gland. King of all the glands? in all the land.



I kid.

[lagomorph777]

27. Trump has an enlarged unitary.

It makes it hard to pee, and causes orange skin.

[HuskyOffset]

33. Is that also what causes that awful assmouth thing he has? (NT)

[lagomorph777]

34. Probably. It's a devastating disease.

[lagomorph777]

26. Unitary executive king. Must not be allowed to stand or the nation falls.

[crickets]

36. Bill Barr is the poster boy for the unitary executive theory.

So far, the Supreme Court has disagreed with him. So far.

The 40-Year War: William Barr’s long struggle against congressional oversight

But for Trump's attorney general, William Barr, and others on the right, the effort to take power for the president from the courts and especially from Congress has been a 40-year project. Barr and his comrades may find statements like “I have Article II” crass and narcissistic, but in their view Trump is generally correct. Executive power maximalists argue that the “original intent” of the framers of the Constitution was to create a strong president with concentrated power and a largely advisory Congress.

The historical evidence for that argument is exceedingly thin.

Yet Trump and Barr alike will adopt any means necessary to defeat challenges to presidential power, which even includes false testimony under oath by senior administration officials in judicial proceedings, as was the case in the failed effort to justify a citizenship question on the 2020 census. The claim to presidential power that may be most dangerous to democracy is the power to ration information to Congress and the American people. Neither Congress nor the courts nor voters can effectively check power abused in secret. And Congress's power to require information from the president may be the power most difficult to reclaim if Congress yields that power in a tactical retreat in advance of the 2020 election.

For Barr, this central confrontation with Congress over Congress's power to investigate represents unfinished business.

Long, detailed article--not unbiased, but well informed and well worth the read.

[calimary]

28. Oh please make it so!!!

God Bless Judge Sullivan!