General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPence just said that people under 35 getting covid 19 is a good thing...
OMFG!
spanone
(135,831 posts)at140
(6,110 posts)But with caveat they do not mingle with more vulnerable folks.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)And the medical evidence increasingly suggests that even mild cases do permanent lung (and other) damage.
So, no. There is no "safe" age at which to get COVID 19. (Even discounting that people under 35 are not in an isolated bubble from the rest of us.)
Lock him up.
(6,928 posts)... What's a "few" more casualties ( "collateral damages" ) after over 120K dead corpses to worry for...
Lock em up.
at140
(6,110 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)It has been seen that even asymptomatic people have small glassy spots in their lungs.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)all older people. No, it's not a good thing.
at140
(6,110 posts)A mask passing minimum standards required by ALL when out of the house.
But the freaking constitution says something about freedom of expression and movement and assembly.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)at140
(6,110 posts)Claustrum
(4,845 posts)So eventually, everyone has to get the disease to get to where they want.
marie999
(3,334 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 26, 2020, 04:19 PM - Edit history (1)
we reach it with about 1,390,000 dead.
Claustrum
(4,845 posts)But I think they do, or at least that's what they are pushing. That's why young people getting it over with is a good thing because they eventually have to to get to herb immunity. And with less deaths from the young people, they could push the message (lie) that COVID is not that bad.
wcmagumba
(2,886 posts)either way (it is just unknown at this time) and there are studies showing covid 19 is mutating and is also remarkably resilient...
Claustrum
(4,845 posts)Due to the damage to their organs like lungs. Many people in Hong Kong that survived SARS ended up dying within 5-10 years. If 5% of the cases are severe, that means 10 million people (to get to herd immunity) would have shorten their lives due to COVID-19 even if they don't outright die from it right now.
I hate that the media hasn't spoken about this long term impact.
marie999
(3,334 posts)Covid-19 is a novel coronavirus which means this type has never been seen before. That means the scientists do not know what it is capable of doing. I myself do not have a clue whether or not herd immunity is possible. The worse thing would be if you can get it every year until there is a vaccine or even if they will find a vaccine or a cure.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)even for the person who contracted it.
It is ridiculously irresponsible to promote chasing herd immunity with a disease that often causes permanent lung damage even with mild cases until it is established that having the disease actually creates immunity.
Cognitive_Resonance
(1,546 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)If immunity lasts a short time only, herd immunity is not going happen.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)before making stupid recommendations.
dlk
(11,563 posts)And an ignorant one, too.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)wcmagumba
(2,886 posts)is good with symptoms or not...all can develop ongoing and more permanent complications and all are carriers for family, friends and even for the guy or gal at the mini mart...
Ohiogal
(31,992 posts)tavernier
(12,388 posts)And the CNN scroll at the bottom of his self satisfied face ran those exact words for the next 10 minutes.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)After that presser it would be nice to have a reality based discussion on where the country is going.
Thx for any input
https://democraticunderground.com/100213657879
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)Notice how much the increase in new cases in March resembles what is going on now (linked boxes)
Numbers are difficult to estimate accuratesly - especially since I've been using a 7-day rolling average.
But if daily average continues the same curve, the number today would need to be around 48,000. My guess, based on where we are now, that we're not going to get that high. Unlike before when NY was the large driver, there are multiple drivers so the curve is not as easy to predict.
The numbers are too erratic to look at single day numbers (the weekend slump interferes with creating a nice curve). We'll probably get there the way we're going. But we're not there yet.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)That means every datapoint, possibly back to the beginning changes.
. . . updating my chart. I think it may be the NJ massive increase from yesterday or the day before that they initially dumped in as a single day, then backed it out again.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)From March 13 through yesterday, they added about 3000 new cases and reclassified 1232 new "June 18" casesto earlier dates. The number of cases added to each day from 3/13 to yesterday ranges from 1 to 250.
Similar, but not as significant, deaths were also increased and adjusted. About 1800 new deaths were added to earlier dates. My recollection is that this is about the number of new deaths reported momentarily by New Jersey that were marked "unclassified" then removed. 280 deaths from yesterday were also shifted to earlier dates. Daily increases in deaths range from 1 to 55.
The newly found/reclassified deaths move the day we passed 100,000 deaths from Memorial day back to to Saturday, May 23.
With my formula adjusted after the data adjustment, today's new cases are slightly higher than predicted by my curve (but that's probably typical for Friday).
To keep the 7-day average curve, tomorrow could drop to 45,000 (a normal drop for a Saturday). But we're in uncharted territory, since when we hit 39,116 on April 24 we were at the peak of the curve, rather than on the steep slope going up.) At some point I would expect the weight of the cases to drown out the weekend dip.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)were fairly sound. More recent data is indicating that herd immunity with SARS-COV-2 is difficult to reach and that a given person may have immunity for only 2-4 months.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)It has been known from very early that being infected does not necessarily confer immunity. So no one should ever have been encouraging herd immunity. February 27
It has been known from very early that, although there are populations that are more vulnerable - even in "safe" populations there have been very severe illnesses leaving permanent damage. March 18 February 14
It has been known from very early that asymptomatic patients can transmit the disease Recommendations citing studies as early as January
It has been known from the beginning that no man lives in a bubble - so anyone who intentionally gets infected has always been a threat to everyone they come into contact with, and everyone in contact within anyone they have been in contact with.
And - even without specifics we learned in the early months, we have known from the beginning that this is a completely unknown disease that is deadly. No one should have been suggesting trying deliberately to become infected until we knew more about the disease.
phylny
(8,380 posts)think otherwise.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Corgigal
(9,291 posts)what this RNA virus is setting up. Even some young show lung damage.
Pence again, is putting profits over lives. Please young people, dont listen to them.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Having a good chance of developing lifelong disabilities, if a person doesn't die, is a good thing.
Those assholes are so desperate to twist their incompetence into something good that they are saying superbly stupid shit.
Caliman73
(11,736 posts)That MIGHT, maybe be true if he was intimating about Immunity and antibodies... but nothing in the research indicates anything about Immunity or antibodies right now. Even with the entire population under 35 ALL being immune, it would mean that 65.5% of the population is immune. That is typically not enough to provide herd immunity to the rest of us.
Pence and Trump are idiots!
lettucebe
(2,336 posts)He's so strange, but saying it's a good thing that anyone gets the virus is simply ignorant
coti
(4,612 posts)people overall, are more likely to spread the disease when they get it. It's not a "good thing."
Baclava
(12,047 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,582 posts)or permanently damaged, and a non-negligable number end up dead.
Not something even for young people to fuck around with.
Fuck Pence.