85 cases and counting linked to Michigan bar that followed spacing guidelines

[Demovictory9]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/27/us/michigan-coronavirus-bar-harpers/index.html

Patrons are asked to self-quarantine after about 85 people who visited a Michigan bar get Covid-19

People who visited a bar in East Lansing, Michigan, are being asked to self-quarantine because roughly 85 people contracted Covid-19 after visiting the establishment this month, a health official says.

That number is up from the 34 reported Wednesday and is expected to rise, Ingham County Health officer Linda S. Vail told CNN.
The Health Department is asking patrons who visited Harper's Restaurant & Brew Pub between June 12 and June 20 to self-quarantine, and report cases of Covid-19, the department said in a statement.

"Given the number of cases in this outbreak, we consider this a higher risk exposure than a typical visit to a restaurant or bar," Vail said. "There are likely more people infected with Covid-19 not yet identified."

The bar followed safety guidelines for employees, capacity guidelines and table spacing, the statement said.
The bar opted to close down temporarily to install air purifiers and to eliminate lines, a post says on its Facebook page.

[Mariana]

1. Bars and churches. Stay the hell out of bars and churches! nt.

[brush]

4. Yep. Gyms too. And I'm still reluctant to get a hair cut.

Haven't had one in months.

[marie999]

2. 85 from the bar.

And how many people will we see that they have infected over the next 2 weeks?

[Botany]

3. Meanwhile back at the ranch Trump Staff Removed Social Distancing Stickers removed from Tulsa arena

In the hours before his rally in Tulsa, President Trump’s campaign directed the removal of thousands of ‘Do Not Sit Here, Please!’ stickers from seats in the arena that were intended to establish social distance between rallygoers, according to video and photos obtained by the Washington Post.


https://politicalwire.com/2020/06/27/trump-staff-removed-social-distancing-stickers/

Trump wants to kill us.

[Phoenix61]

5. He really does want to kill off his worshipers. nt

[Midnightwalk]

6. Air conditioning or ice?

I've read about air conditioning.

CDC says it isn't foodborne:

Currently there is no evidence to support transmission of COVID-19 associated with food.

[StarryNite]

7. I'm going with the air conditioning theory.

It makes logical sense. With the virus being spread by the A/C it wouldn't matter if people are socially distanced in a building.

[MichMan]

8. Probably need to prohibit air conditioning in public buildings if true

[crickets]

9. It's frightening to think of when living in the South.

We are so air conditioned, in self defense against the not only the heat but the oppressive humidity. No way would I go to a restaurant right now, and I don't how those that survive - likely by the skin of their teeth - would ever be able to afford a big HVAC overhaul to combat COVID spread. It's just best we all stay home.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

10. Guidelines go out the window when people are drinking.

Places get loud, then people get in each other faces or clustered around small bar tables. No air conditioning system filters will remove that hazard because return-air velocities are too low although it probably does reduce the overall probability of infection.

Expecting a crowd to follow any rules in any bar is a crap shoot, IMO..........