You do realize that if this bounty story turns out to be fake news, Trump will be reelected?

[DetlefK]

I am still not convinced that this russian bounty story has legs.

The NYT is prone to massive fuck-ups from time to time.

Who knows who that US intelligence official is who confirmed it partly to the WaPo.

Who knows who that UK intelligence official is who confirmed it partly to The Guardian.



This is the Do Or Die moment. This right here. If this turns out to be fake news, Trump can brush off ALL attacks levied against him as a pattern of fake news.

If this turns out to be fake news, Trump will get reelected.

The Democrats need to start hearings first thing in the morning on Monday, before they commit themselves further to this as of yet not-sufficiently-proven story.

[denem]

1. If it was fake, trump would have flown off the handle.

He has no impulse control. Zip. Nada. Never.

[uponit7771]

6. +1,they haven't denied the bounties are true just they were never told about them

[smirkymonkey]

2. No he won't.

This is just one fuck up in a series of fuck ups. Even if this doesn't have legs, there is still enough material to destroy Trump. He is a complete disaster. And he is still Putin's beyotch, whether this particular story is true or not. He is a Russian agent without a doubt and it is evidenced by his actions and behavior. He's done.

There is enough to sink him without this.

[TheBlackAdder]

43. And not only that, Trump set the environment where these stories are completely plausible.

[brush]

3. Let's not get carried away. There will still be 250k dead from covid...

40 some million unemployed and a depression going on come Nov. One story not proven won't win him shit.

[agingdem]

4. do you think the New York Times would have printed this if

they didn't have multiple corroborating sources inside the White House, the NSA, and UK counterparts?...trump and pence "denied" being briefed which is bullshit...what they didn't deny was the validity of the story..

[3Hotdogs]

23. --ever hear of Judy Miller and the N.Y Times?

[Demsrule86]

28. Trump did it...and we all know it...

[bdamomma]

40. I wouldn't doubt

the story, he does everything that Putin tells him to do. He pulled US troops out of Germany Putin's request.

[Demsrule86]

52. Yes...Trump is a traitor to this country... I shudder to think of the classified information given

to Putin by Trump.

[bdamomma]

63. I was thinking the same

thing, giving out our information to dictators, we are so vulnerable right now.

[Demsrule86]

69. Trump is a monster.

[agingdem]

37. yes I've heard of Judith Miller

I'm not so naive as to think it never happens but the magnitude of this is meant to eviscerate Trump...

[3Hotdogs]

42. The question is, if it could be false, would that increase Trump's odds?

It was proposed that, since the NYT printed it, it has to be truth.

Remember, Roger Stone ain't in jail, yet. Fact is, Rove is still loose.

[agingdem]

51. NYT has on occasion "jumped the gun" (I hate that expression but it's apt)

but they've probably been sitting on this for quite sometime..more than likely it's been sourced over and over again..this isn't one where the NYT is going to retract some or all of it...and again, trump isn't denying any of it, he's raging he was never briefed...granted he never reads his PDBs...it's difficult when he only reads at a 2nd grade level but you can bet lots of people read it and more than likely condensed it into language even he understands...remember the only thing that has anything resembling gravity and immediacy in his wasteland for a mind is women, money, golf, his hotels, his damn wall, dirty immigrants, his embrace of everything Nazi, and his love for all things Putin...

[tavernier]

38. Wasn't she the aspen leaves turning reporter?

[uponit7771]

5. No,

[BigmanPigman]

7. Today he went golfing...

We are in the middle of a pandemic with historically high unemployment and inequality. Russia has been paying Afghan militants to kill American troops. But Trump is obsessed with protecting monuments to confederate traitors and he goes golfing.

The media better sink its teeth into that little fact too.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

8. BigmanPigman, I hereby nominate you for......

President Biden's press secretary!....... .......

[BigmanPigman]

9. I curse too much.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

10. ......

........ .........

[essme]

12. So what? That just means you need an editor

Unfortunately, I fucking will not be able to apply for the gd job.

[StarfishSaver]

56. ...

Link to tweet

[madaboutharry]

11. I could not disagree more.

He isn’t going to be re-elected over a story in the NYT. If the story is wrong, which I doubt it is, everyone will forget about it by Wednesday.

[RDANGELO]

13. As I understand it, the administration is not denying the story,

they are claiming that Trump was never briefed. MSNBC has just suggested the possibility that he was briefed in the daily PPD. Trump doesn't read.

[womanofthehills]

58. Malcolm Nance tweeted

STOP THIS LIE: There is a special Top Secret FLASH Critical communications system designed strictly to get imminent threat intelligence reports into the President’s hands in 10 mins or less 24/7/365 fm the second it was recognized. He WAS briefed. Did he care? Likely a “No”.

[Skittles]

14. LOLOL

"McEnany did not deny the validity of the reported US intelligence"

that woman LIES FOR A LIVING....if she could deny it, she most CERTAINLY WOULD

[beachbumbob]

15. lol, this does not over come trump's response on everything else

[Voltaire2]

16. No I didn't realize that.

And after reading your post I still don’t.

[d_b]

17. Lol

[pwb]

18. I don't see it that way.

With trump it is pick your fuckup. He has so many. Trump will be humiliated in November.

[abqtommy]

19. Note to self: Why do people keep talking about tRUMP being "re-elected"? To achieve that

he's have had to been elected at some point and he sure wasn't in 2016. He won the ratfucking
and tRUMP still relies on that since he'll NEVER win an honest election...

[malaise]

20. Rubbish

The COn is going down for Covid-19 and white supremacy.

[Alacritous Crier]

29. Yup.

He's toast.

GOTV

[Hortensis]

21. Every major journal on the planet reported this. NOT Dems.

Why would you would imagine some fake fault for Democrats?

European intelligence reported this to the world, apparently starting with disseminating through the NYT then giving interviews to many others.

[Demsrule86]

27. Wishful thinking?

[Hortensis]

36. Hi, Dems. :) I wouldn't mind a session or two to assist

with insight into my own thoughts. Make sure I'm not too far off the track I lightheartedly imagine I'm on.

[Demsrule86]

53. I think you are not off track! What a session that would be...

[riversedge]

34. thanks for information.

[USALiberal]

22. LOL, ok! nt

[sop]

24. Sure, because if this story isn't accurate millions of voters will immediately forget all the other

horrible things Trump has done.

[Crunchy Frog]

25. No. n/t

[Demsrule86]

26. No he won't. And the Democrats need to worry about the economy...political hearings not so much.

We need to beat Trump and he is losing. Trump did it...you can tell by the reaction of the White House.

[rpannier]

30. I disagree

I would agree in part, only in that it would depend on how Democrats react to it
Keeping calm and taking a neutral approach is
"These are serious charges. We don't know if they're true or not. We consider the source, captured Taliban/al Qaeda members to be less than reliable. But, we're looking onto it."
This pretty much covers most bases:
1. The charges are serious
2. True or not, they need to be investigated
3. We question the source (this statement offers them some cover in case people start screaming partisanship)

If the story turns out to be false, then it is the Congress that discovers it

[riversedge]

33. AGREE #1

[LeftInTX]

45. This

I agree that it may not be accurate, but it seems the media is being cautious with it, which is good.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

31. So, inject myself with disinfectants then? nt

[riversedge]

32. If Intel did not tell Trump, pence -then the scandal is WHY NOT? DID THEY NOT TRUST THEM OR

WHAT IS THE STORY?

[maxrandb]

35. Your "concern" is noted

I was just thinking...if the pizzagate pedophile story turns out to be fake news, Hillary will win in a landslide.

[brooklynite]

39. We're DOOMED!!!

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How is Trump going to provide it didn't happen?

[Dukkha]

41. They're pretty adamant in their "ignorance" defense

Not claiming it's fake, but that their Dear Leader didn't know (steaming pile of horseshit)

Regardless this will not determine the election. November is still a long ways off and 2020 can hurl any kind of crazy curveball before then, being that this is the most f'ed up year in modern history. Biden has an enormous arsenal of talking points to use against the most incompetent childish dim-witted president in history.

[dalton99a]

44. European intelligence confirms bounty to CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/27/politics/russia-us-troops-afghanistan/index.html

Russian intelligence officers offered cash rewards to Taliban fighters to kill US, UK troops in Afghanistan, source says
By Nick Paton Walsh, Veronica Stracqualursi and Radina Gigova, CNN
Updated 12:06 AM ET, Sun June 28, 2020

(CNN) Russian intelligence officers for the military intelligence GRU recently offered money to Taliban militants in Afghanistan as rewards if they killed US or UK troops there, a European intelligence official told CNN.

The official was unclear as to the precise Russian motivation, but said the incentives had, in their assessment, led to coalition casualties. The official did not specify as to the date of the casualties, their number or nationality, or whether these were fatalities or injuries.

"This callous approach by the GRU is startling and reprehensible. Their motivation is bewildering," the official said.

This story was first reported by the New York Times.

Link to tweet

[kcr]

46. It's not fake news.

Sorry to disappoint.

[Tipperary]

47. Oh please.

[blogslut]

48. I agree there must be hearings

As for the rest of what you posted:

Link to tweet

Charles P. Pierce @CharlesPPierce

Charlie Savage is the damn gold standard. If it’s reported under his by-line, it happened.

[SlogginThroughIt]

49. Give me a break.

Can we please stop with this garbage?

They said all kinds of stupid shit about Obama and he got elected twice.

When you have 120k+ dead Americans because you chose to not do anything you better not get re-elected!

[LizBeth]

50. I think you are wrong.

[rufus dog]

54. Duly Noted!

FFS

[StarfishSaver]

55. You do realize that if this were a fake story, Trump and the WH would have denied it

But your concern is noted

[SiliconValley_Dem]

57. hahahha. get real

he's toast. with or without this story

[womanofthehills]

70. Today - even Chris Christy is saying Trump 's toast

[WestCoastYellowDog]

59. I don't think I agree with this thesis

[MiniMe]

60. I thought the "grab 'em by the pussy" moment would have ended it for him 4 years ago

Not to mention insulting all the vets and John McCain with his comments about being captured. There were lots of times 4 years ago that I said "he can't possibly survive this". I was wrong.

[marlakay]

61. So your saying this could be a set up trick

That someone like Rove who just came in to help out thought of?

Give a big juicy bite to the left, get everyone all upset about it then prove its a lie to make us look bad. I could see Rove doing that, he helped set up Kerry with a big lie.

[LanternWaste]

62. That's some creative speculation to so many degrees...

[ck4829]

64. We are not at peace with Russia... this is what countries that are not at peace do

[GusBob]

65. It can be proven

It seems pretty straight forward

Study the deaths, the after action reports

Find out who the players were, if they were the ones getting Russian money

Also neutralize them and the spies

[Skraxx]

66. This is Nothing Less Than the Intelligence Community Fighting Back, Expect More, And More And More

They are throwing anvils.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

67. Literally NO ONE Is Denying It. Not Putin. Not Trump. Nobody.

And this is coming from the guy who denies everything, even when it's on tape. The fact that nobody is even bothering to issue a cursory denial tells me this story is 100% gold.

[ucrdem]

68. Maybe but it sounds more likely than not.

That means most people will believe it whether or not it's true, but I'd be surprised if it weren't.

[IBEWVET]

71. In Trumps denial

He said he was not briefed on russians killing US troops. Russians did not kill our troops the Taliban did, the russians just paid them. So Trump can say he did not lie. He never said he was not told about the Taliban getting money for killing our troops. Which I am sure he was told and did nothing.