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DU legal experts...help me out here: Treason. (Original Post) revmclaren Jun 2020 OP
Treason is a federal crime, and therefore pardonable by a president. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #1
Do you think that this particular instance falls under the statute ? drray23 Jun 2020 #4
That's another question. I doubt he'd be charged. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #6
Confederate officers during the civil war should fit in that category. demosincebirth Jun 2020 #13
They could have been, but they were pardoned. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #14
Thanks. demosincebirth Jun 2020 #15
I dont think its even treason. drray23 Jun 2020 #2
I agree. It was treasonous but not statutory treason. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #8
In Peacetime it's called "Sedition" instead donkeypoofed Jun 2020 #10
Interesting 🤔 secondwind Jun 2020 #3
Yes it can be pardoned, and no, this wasn't treason. NutmegYankee Jun 2020 #5
But this is aiding and abetting the Talaban revmclaren Jun 2020 #9
It requires adherence to the enemy. NutmegYankee Jun 2020 #11
I am not aware of a statute of limitations on treason. Laelth Jun 2020 #7
I'm surprised it was a question. Think about the Civil War. NutmegYankee Jun 2020 #12
Presidential pardon power extends to all offenses under the laws of the United States. lastlib Jun 2020 #16

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,595 posts)
1. Treason is a federal crime, and therefore pardonable by a president.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 10:45 AM
Jun 2020

There is no limitation in the president's power to pardon. However, there is no statute of limitations because it's a capital offense.

18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason. Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000.

drray23

(7,616 posts)
2. I dont think its even treason.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 10:45 AM
Jun 2020

It was pointed out many times before that Treason is a very specific crime requiring that we be at war with the country in question. There are plenty of other charges Trump could face however.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,595 posts)
8. I agree. It was treasonous but not statutory treason.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 10:51 AM
Jun 2020

And even if it was, imagine the political fallout if Mike Pants pardoned him. Ford learned that lesson the hard way.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
5. Yes it can be pardoned, and no, this wasn't treason.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 10:47 AM
Jun 2020

In fact, the use of a pardon to bring a rebellion/insurrection to an end was a major purpose. The "put your arms down and you can just go home" often reduces bloodshed.

revmclaren

(2,500 posts)
9. But this is aiding and abetting the Talaban
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jun 2020

by the president of the United States... benefiting Russia. I personally think military Intel will be investigating this long after tRump is out of office.

We are in uncharted territory. Anything can and will come out of future inquiries.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
11. It requires adherence to the enemy.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 11:19 AM
Jun 2020

"or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort". An example is people who stayed as citizens of the Confederate States of America and paid taxes to the CSA. Tokyo Rose would be an example - she joined the Japanese but never picked up a gun.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
7. I am not aware of a statute of limitations on treason.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 10:49 AM
Jun 2020

Treason IS pardonable, afaik. I am not aware of any law that limits the President’s pardon power in regards to treason.



-Laelth

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
12. I'm surprised it was a question. Think about the Civil War.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 11:41 AM
Jun 2020

Massive pardons covering almost every single participant.

lastlib

(23,155 posts)
16. Presidential pardon power extends to all offenses under the laws of the United States.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 04:26 PM
Jun 2020

Article II, Sec. 2, Cl.1. There is effectively no limit to that power in U.S. law.

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