I'm quickly correcting myself on the best replacement name for 'Karens'. This is PERFECT!

[Siwsan]

[Hermit-The-Prog]

1. Yes! So obvious after it's pointed out.

[TheBlackAdder]

38. Karen is a simple two syllable word, starts hard and drops off. Ivanka less fluid and harsher.

.

Becky, Karen, Susan & Gertrude are all two syllables and easy to think internally or speak.

.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

39. Those who are called out and mocked are harsh, not fluid, and feel privileged.

[TheBlackAdder]

40. True, but that's not why names catch on. They do so because they are phonetically easy to say.

[MagickMuffin]

60. I prefer Gladys Kravitz

She was a busybody. Always spying and be extremely nosey.

[DEbluedude]

61. LOL.

Been calling my wife “Gladys” for years. ABNER!!!

[TheBlackAdder]

63. Yeah, she was always the busy body and calling the cops. But she wasn't nasty like these new types.

[MagickMuffin]

74. She knew her place or Samantha would twitch her little nose . . .

and bye bye nosey Gladys!

I'm surprised Endora didn't play with her more. That would have brought in a whole new element into the show!

[cannabis_flower]

83. How about

Betsy.

[dixiegrrrrl]

87. that's why I call her Barbie, among other reasons. n/t

[Chemisse]

53. Karen is funny because it is anonymous.

Your mind just fills in the blanks and it can be funny.

Ivanka is only funny in that 'better to laugh than cry' way that all things Trumpian are. Sometimes it's nice to have a hearty laugh that is not politically tarnished.

[whistler162]

56. So is Jemima or Ben or Tom!

[Chemisse]

66. Not sure what you mean; I never found those names to be funny. n/t

[pdxflyboy]

2. ++++K & R n/t

[Rebl2]

3. I agree!

Or maybe Milania or however name is spelled.

[wnylib]

22. I like that one, too.

Almost better than Ivanka.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

4. Wow, that IS perfect!

[Quixote1818]

5. 1000000000000000000% YES! Love it. nt

[LakeArenal]

6. I have said it before.

Melanias as well.

Melanias don’t care.

[StarfishSaver]

7. But that wouldn't be fair to all of the other women named Ivanka ...

or something.

[uponit7771]

11. lol

[StarfishSaver]

16. I mean ... Isn't the point of changing it is that calling racist women "Karen" is unfair

to all of the non-racist women named Karen? So is changing the name to another woman's name any better? It just means that non-racist women named "Ivanka" would be the new victims.

I'll just stick with "Karen" since obviously this really isn't really about what people claim it is, at all ...

[chia]

18. +1000

[lunatica]

27. The moniker Ivanka conjures up so much more than the Karens do

Karens, as we already know, are white busybody racist women Who feel they are not only entitled to ban all Black people from public places but who feel it is their job to do it themselves, in person. They have the police on speed dial because they feel the police work for them personally and will shoot anyone who they are told to shoot. It is a limited role per say. They are not meant to be seen because they prefer the obscurity of underhanded anonymity.

Ivankas, on the other hand, are daddy’s precious little girls who believe their role in the world is to rub elbows with royalty and world leaders and the other rich beautiful people and that they must always be seen to be doing it in ubiquitous photographs. Like Paris Hilton Ivankas are meant to just be famous, for no other reason than that they have famous last names and have access to all the latest in fashion, plastic surgery and Botox. Their role in life is to be seen.

Ivankas may act like Karens on occasions but Karens are never to be confused with Ivankas.

[StarfishSaver]

30. You know of ONE Ivanka with those characteristics

Why should every Ivanka in America be punished?

You're doing to the Ivankas what you claim people are doing to the Karens.

You can't win this argument because if it's wrong to attach a woman's name to particular behavior because it's mysogynistic and unfair to the women with that name who don't share those characteristics, it's wrong to attach ANY woman's name to that behavior for the same reason.

[lunatica]

34. I don't know of any other Ivankas

Never heard the name before. Maybe it’s a Slovenian thing, or wherever her mother Ivana is from. Come to think of it I’ve never heard of another Ivana either. Ever.

I’m pretty sure all other Ivankas are pretty safe. If any exist the worst that they will suffer will be they’ll be confused with rich daddys’ girls who must always be photo ready.

[StarfishSaver]

35. All the other Karens are pretty safe, too

[lunatica]

37. Yup.

[Crunchy Frog]

52. It's a common Slavic name, a feminized version of "Ivan", which is equivalent to "John".

"Ivanka" is an affectionate diminutive of that name.

I'm only aware of one person in the country who uses that name. It may be relatively common in Slavic countries.

[Rhiannon12866]

75. I think it means little Ivana

My grandmother was Polish - similar language - and they used the same diminutives for female names. I looked up Ivana and she's Czech.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

28. MiSoGyNy

[thinkingagain]

8. I thought that same thing this morning

After reading another post.
Or melania or even trumpy’s

[uponit7771]

9. K&R, My cousin's name is Karen and she is so sweet

[Historic NY]

10. I passed it on to the twittersphere

[lark]

12. Make it so! n/t

[onecaliberal]

13. YAS..

[rainin]

14. I'll do my part on twitter and here

[keithbvadu2]

15. Awright!!!

[Traildogbob]

17. Correct

Nothing more insulting than to be called that. She is the poster child of what “Karen’s” are. Spoiled selfish princess. Fake person.

[BaronChocula]

19. There. I fixed it.

"Dear people of the world: Please stop calling entitled, horrible WHITE women 'Karens.'..."
It makes all the difference in the world. The central vexing fact about Karens is that they use their WP as a trump in every situation they can. A Karen is not only a woman. it is a white woman. If you're not a Karen, you should have no problem acknowledging that.

[Disaffected]

20. I dunno, it's not that great a fit.

Sure, Ivanka is a vacuous, entitled nini but she does not seems to be nearly as angry and mean as a lot of the "Karens" we have read about here.

Leona Helmsley, the 'Queen of Mean', might be a better candidate although I expect most have forgotten about her by now.

[wnylib]

25. Melania's personality and

demeanor fit better than Ivanka's.

It was Melania who wore the coat saying, "I really don't care. Do you?"

[Siwsan]

29. We only see her rehearsed face

I imagine the behind the scenes demeanor might be a bit more biting.

[karin_sj]

21. Yes!

The vast majority of we "Karens" are not as horrible as the online world thinks we are!

[LiberalArkie]

23. Probably should be Buffy, you know Chads significant other. They always think they are special.

They always win at everything. They always ________________. Fill in the blank. Buffy has always been with Chad.

[zentrum]

24. Yes!

[Doreen]

26. How is this? trumppits ( Karen's. )

Use the Karen in parentheses until people get the idea of using trumppits. Do not capitalize the first letter of the name as to not give any respect. That is unless it is the first letter in the sentence. Like female trump supporters are the pits.

I do not think there is a chance of offending anyone's name that way.

[hlthe2b]

31. Exactly.

[betsuni]

32. No. Such behaviors are far too vulgar for an Ivanka.

Ivankas do not mingle with the public. One has staff for that.

[Voltaire2]

33. Nope. Karens aspire to be wealthy elites.

They punch down to feel powerful for a moment.

Ivanka is a powerful wealthy elite.

Big difference.

[Siwsan]

36. I'm sure 99.999% of the Karens don't behave so entitled.

And who knows what actually goes on behind closed doors, in Ivanka-land.

[StarfishSaver]

41. 99% of Ivankas are also probably pretty decent people

[Siwsan]

43. I wonder how common a name that is, in Eastern Europe

My gut says it's pretty uncommon in these here parts.

[StarfishSaver]

45. So, the commonality of the name determines whether using it as a meme is mysogynistic?

[Siwsan]

46. Ok. Have a restful remainder of the day

[StarfishSaver]

47. I rest my case.

Thank you.

[Siwsan]

49. If you think so, then good for you!

I just find this kind of purposely obstreperous and (what I see as) needlessly confrontational discourse to be far too exhausting to continue. But that's just me. I understand others think differently.

[Mme. Defarge]

42. Duh!

[Hulk]

44. I actually prefer Melania

She's as worthless and disgusting as her sugar daddy. Ivanka is just an idiot.

[Siwsan]

48. I find them to be interchangeable, but yea

Both have sold their souls - if they ever had one, in the first place.

[McCamy Taylor]

50. I agree

[Liberty Belle]

51. We need a title that isn't anybody's real name. I feel terrible for anyone named Karen

or anyone named Ivanka whose last name isn't Trump.

Maybe Privileged White Woman (PWW)? or Spoiled White Woman (SWW). Or Wihte Overbrearing Obnoxious Female (WOOF)

Like we used to say MCPs for Male Chauvinist Pigs in the '60s.

[Siwsan]

54. My earlier post suggested something like Qaronon

I do like WOOF but you have to know there are some who would likely do enough parcing to equate that to another hat tip to calling someone a 'female dog'.

[greymattermom]

55. I have a niece named Karen

who is a Karen. I still like Ivanka better. There aren't many other Ivankas to be innocently included.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

78. I have a cousin Karen who is a lovely woman and

wouldn't support Trump, or any R, in a million years. This Karen as a pejorative fad is upsetting. She's talking about changing her name.

[Thekaspervote]

57. Good one!

[efhmc]

58. From Twitter:

Besides my sweet sister being named Karen, battling through COVID, and now back on the frontlines as a nurse, this is what pisses me off most about it. NEVER is there a male equivalent to get the same amount of hate and vitriol, even though more fat slob MAGA monsters are male.

[Siwsan]

59. I've heard males who exhibit similar behavior referred to as 'Kevins'

[efhmc]

69. That tweet just made me realize the humanity of what was going on with this labeling,

[Siwsan]

70. I guess people all have their own thresholds formed by their own experiences

And we can discuss and disagree without umbrage or confrontation. Easiest way to learn from each other.

[ecstatic]

62. I'd be OK with that. Is there anyone else in the world with that name?

[samsingh]

64. that makes so much more sense. Yes, Ivankas!!

[relayerbob]

65. Perfect!

Yeah, I know too many nice Karens. Someone trumped up not calling them Ivankas in the first place. LOL

[whttevrr]

67. Sorry, Ivankas have people to do that for them.

Ivankas would never be caught dead:
in a public park BBQ (ugh, the nerve)
in Walmart (that's where the 'people' go)
in Target (That's where the other 'people' go)
without an assistant (who may be a 'Karen' for hire)

It just doesn't work. Ivankas have assistants who do the 'Karening' for them.

[Siwsan]

68. Which is kind of why, in a bizarro world way, it works

IMHO, of course. But I do miss the BBQ Becky days. Those spontaneous names were great.

[whttevrr]

71. imagine that, can't even BBQ in peace...

[Siwsan]

72. I can't even begin to comprehend that kind of behavior

Life is just far too short to spend any of it causing unnecessary turmoil.

[whttevrr]

73. Some of the black people that I know...

One woman in her twenties worked two full time jobs to save up a down payment on a home and moved her ailing mom in with her. She kept her other full time job, but her family is still around and she is doing well.

Another woman is older and has her own home and works a full time job to pay for it all, but will always accept overtime to pay for home improvements that increase the value of her property, no matter what.

Then there is the other woman who owns her own home, works full time as a professional, and takes a part time job to pay for things to make life fun for her and others. She is so generous with her time and money. Hey girl!

The men are just as equally impressive. An 80+ year old man who works 40 hours a week no matter what. Just the nicest guy ever. You know the one? The older guy that always has a kind word for everyone, believes in God, sings hymnals, and everyone loves.

Another man who worked two full time jobs for years well into his 60's. He retired from one job but kept the other just because it is all he knows: To Work. He worked his whole life and could not have imagined it any other way.

The younger guy that does whatever it takes to provide for his family. He learns as much as he can about policy and procedures, takes an active role in educating others, and keeps plugging away and makes sure he applies for every promotional opportunity available.

They are all fucking super stars and it is heart breaking to think they will be treated differently just because of the color of their skin. It makes me weep to think about it.

[Cha]

76. OMg.. I thought of that yesterday when

I saw ivanka's name in an OP here.

Swear!

[treestar]

77. Very good! Since that is a rare name

and evokes only one person to most people, rather than evoking one of their friends or loved ones.

[BComplex]

79. My liberal friend, Karen, doesn't mind Karens having that name.

She doesn't take it personally, because she's not mentally ill, and she knows the "other" Karens are batshit crazy.

[FakeNoose]

80. As far as I know, Ivanka never called the cops on a black person

Of course I'm talking about a specific person - Ivanka Trump.

The use of the name "Karen" is universal and ubiquitous, but at the same time it's generic. We all know someone like that Karen, who's a self-important white-privileged busybody. But most of us don't know Ivanka Trump other than what's presented in the media.

So for that reason I'm going to stick with "Karen" as a white-privilege moniker, and I'll still make jokes about Ivanka Trump whenever I can.

[superpatriotman]

81. This is a movement I can support

Count me in.

[El Mimbreno]

82. Absolutely excellent...

Especially since our candidate for State House Is Karen W.

[lykemike]

84. Um, nope

We're not replacing the name. Sorry Karen.

[H2O Man]

85. Recommended.

I've been sick as a dog since Thursday afternoon. But I keep reading this every time I head to the bathroom, to keep my spirits up.

[jls4561]

86. How about we call them Kellyanne?