St. Louis couple points guns at protesters calling for Mayor to resign

[BeyondGeography]

ST. LOUIS — A man and a woman pointed guns at protesters who marched through the Central West End Sunday night to call for Mayor Lyda Krewson to resign.

Videos from the protest showed the man pointing a semi-automatic rifle and a woman pointing a pistol at the crowd marching down the street. The videos circulated widely on social media Sunday night.

The protest, which was organized by Expect Us, started near the intersection of Maryland Plaza and North Euclid Avenue, and stopped at Krewson's home before heading toward the Delmar Loop.

The protest came two days after a Facebook Live news briefing in which Krewson read the names and street addresses of protesters who are calling on the city to defund the police department, a move which the ACLU called "shocking and misguided" and resulted in online backlash. An online petition started over the weekend calling for her to resign has more than 40,000 signatures.

Link to tweet

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/couple-points-guns-at-protesters-st-louis/63-915a4a2f-071f-4f01-b5b8-398790d615ca

[Ferrets are Cool]

1. Wow, just wow.

[Crunchy Frog]

2. They need to be arrested.

I'm pretty sure that brandishing is a crime.

The mayor needs to be hit with a massive lawsuit.

[BGBD]

15. Pointing it at someone

it also probably assault especially when it's just somebody walking down the sidewalk, large group or not.

The woman didn't look like she had any idea of how to handle that weapon. She also had her finger on the trigger and was pointing it randomly at the crowd. It could have easily discharged and killed somebody. The man wasn't much better, he looked to have his finger off the trigger, but he was also not only pointing it at the crowd, but he also swept the woman with it a couple times as well.

[Calista241]

51. The protesters were on a private street, and on private property.

They could still be prosecuted for brandishing, but it's far from a sure conviction. Missouri is an open carry state, and just carrying a rifle or pistol around is not a crime.

The woman may be in more legal jeopardy, because she pointed her weapon directly at protesters while coming further from their home to confront them.

[Aristus]

65. He had his hand so far up on the forward grip, he must have thought it was a pool cue.

This is not someone who has taken M-16 marksmanship training...

[soothsayer]

3. They live in a library or a museum?

How do so many people have gigantic weapons??

[Midnight Writer]

8. On average, a white American male who owns a gun owns eight.

I have observed this phenomena personally. It is like an obsession. They often describe themselves as collectors.

[PTWB]

56. Many gun owners view them as tools.

Viewed in that context it makes sense that you’d have more than one. Different tools for different tasks.

[USALiberal]

77. Lol, not really. Nt

[PTWB]

95. You don't think that viewing guns as tools is common amongst gun owners?

[dalton99a]

11. Inside:

Last edited Mon Jun 29, 2020, 08:31 AM - Edit history (3)

The house was built in 1912 for Edward and Anna Busch Faust (daughter of Adolphus and Lilly Busch):



https://www.stlmag.com/design/a-decades-long-renovation-returns-a-midwestern-palazzo-to-it/

[FailureToCommunicate]

29. WHat is it about the 1% that they have to be so ostentatious? Good grief, go start a

scholarship or fund relief efforts somewhere.

And I'll bet they aren't tithing 10% to their local church either.

Yikes!

[fescuerescue]

40. 1%? That looks more like 0.01%

No way in hell does 1 out of 100 live like that.

[ProfessorGAC]

66. I Think You're Right

I live in a town of 6,000.
My wife and I are top 10 in wealth here.
There isn't a home in the entire town that is a third that size.
There should be 20 or 30 if it was 1%, figure 2 or 3 people per home on average.
Our house would almost fit in that living room!

[NurseJackie]

31. Is the framed painting something from a Ray Harryhausen movie? One Million Years BC, perhaps?

It's garish! Baroque bordello.

[PatSeg]

34. And TWO formal dining rooms?

It looks like something out of Downton Abby. Somehow that couple just doesn't match that setting.

[Marcuse]

32. Looks like a Bond villain's lair.

[FailureToCommunicate]

42. Of COURSE there are magazines at the foot of Trump's opulent bed.

[SergeStorms]

45. The porn actresses...

have to have something to read while they're waiting for "Mr. Mushroom's" Viagra to kick in.

[Doremus]

82. omg

I'm loling and choking on my veggie wrap that happens to have *mushrooms* in it.

[Marcuse]

96. It's an old photo. The necktie compensation was not yet displayed.

[SergeStorms]

98. I sincerely apologise.

Sometimes I forget that other's gag reflexes are different from mine.

[GumboYaYa]

4. 100% guaranty you they were drinking when they pulled this stunt!

Does that up the charge...reckless endangerment?????

[Nevilledog]

5. You just know that dude drives a yellow Hummer.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

6. I would pay folding money to watch either of them shoot. Him especially.

[Happy Hoosier]

16. The way she's holding that pistol...

It would smack her in the face if she fired.

[SergeStorms]

46. The way he's holding that AR....

he'd be spraying the tree tops after his first shot. Of course these doorknobs had to have those guns for "castle protection". When you own that much ostentatious crap you have to protect it, because the neighbors down the street covet it for their castles, you know?

[Happy Hoosier]

49. Yup. They clearly have no idea what they are doing...

People like that are a menace.

[dalton99a]

7. One of these days:

[Buns_of_Fire]

24. "Get off my lawn or she gets it!" nt

[Sancho]

50. Call the sheriff!!! (warning - language)

[3Hotdogs]

9. At the least, I hope it results in two assholes losing jobs or a business that they own.

[dalton99a]

10. They have been identified:

https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/mark-patricia-mccloskey-st-louis-couple-guns-video/
Mark McCloskey & Patricia McCloskey: St. Louis Couple Pull Guns on Protesters

[BeyondGeography]

12. Thanks, dalton

Ambulance chasers:

http://www.mccloskeylaw.com/

[PatSeg]

35. Yes, Personal Injury Lawyers

“If your injury will affect the rest of your life, your choice of lawyer will also.”

By the looks of that house, business must be good.

[Crunchy Frog]

18. Fucking lawyers?

[Cha]

22. Lawyers can be good! Obviously these assholes aren't!

[Calista241]

52. They're actually representing someone suing the St Louis PD.

Wonder how long that will last.

[Norbert]

23. I hope they don't hire themselves as their attorneys

On second though, go right ahead. It should be fun to watch.

[Tipperary]

20. If he pulled the trigger, h would hit her.

Idiots.

[SergeStorms]

48. Maybe that was his point.

There was another picture where she had her cute little gun pointed right at his head as well. They're both clueless doorknobs.

[Lulu KC]

33. When your photoshopped website picture gets outted

as fake.
Really.
This takes the cake.
But I can't get over the stuffed pheasant on top of the assortment of rolls.

[Tipperary]

37. And I bet nothing happens to them.

No consequences for these asshats.

[aikoaiko]

79. I looks like he peed his pants. oh my.

[VMA131Marine]

13. One thing you notice throughout the video ...

They seem to have no idea how to safely handle a firearm. The weapons get pointed at the protesters as well as at each other. They have no business owning firearms they could have easily killed someone.

[BeyondGeography]

30. The NY Post is calling them Rambozos

And that’s a Murdoch rag.

The woman looks like the character in the movie who somehow gets possession of a gun and doesn’t know what to do next. The guy isn’t much better.

[Mariana]

73. If these clowns have carry permits, they should be revoked forthwith. nt.

[Alex4Martinez]

14. Ah, the McCloskeys Attorneys at law, maybe former attorneys at law.

Brandishing firearms at peaceful protesters could be considered a crime that reflects on the McCloskeys' fitness to practice law. Here is a link to the Office of Chief Disciplinary Counsel of the State of Missouri: https://mochiefcounsel.org

Link to tweet

[muriel_volestrangler]

25. Patricia " is a member of the Missouri Bar Association ethical review panel"

At one point, a barefoot Patricia, whose law firm bio says she is a member of the Missouri Bar Association ethical review panel, crosses the lawn and stumbles briefly while she has her gun aimed at protesters. It's not clear if the guns were loaded.

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2020/06/28/gun-swinging-lawyers-confront-protesters-in-central-west-end

[Alex4Martinez]

38. Interesting. She would need to recuse herself in any review but that's interesting.

I can not believe that the monstrosity behind them is a home, it looks like a capitol building or Fort Knox.

Definitely eat the rich with this couple, too much concentration of wealth.

But they'll make adorable poster children of a revolution.

[SergeStorms]

54. Are you serious?

Their little cottage looks so cozy and inviting. It just screams....."Welcome! Take your shoes off, sit back, relax, and let the worries of your day fade away. Mi casa es su casa."

It doesn't say that to you? Me either. How could anyone feel comfortable in that place?

[Alex4Martinez]

61. LOL!

I live in a 434 sf one bedroom condo unit and would not trade with them (unless permitted to sell it and keep the change).

Admittedly, I have a better view, so it's not such a hard choice.

[vercetti2021]

17. Owns guns

Yet doesn't know how to exercise proper usage. Reason why I believe before you can own a gun, you need to take a class and get a license like you'd need for a car.

[DinahMoeHum]

28. +1000s

n/t



#newrostrong

[crickets]

87. Exactly my thoughts. nt

[vercetti2021]

97. Yep

Like I took a few classes to learn how to use a handgun, I held a concealed permit for a long time but never once did I take my gun into the public.

I've been around guns since I was a kid and given these two probably bought them without a proper class or training lesson is scary.

[greyl]

19. K & R nt

[artemisia1]

21. Brandishing

bran·dish
/ˈbrandiSH/
Learn to pronounce
verb
gerund or present participle: brandishing
wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement.
"a man leaped out brandishing a knife"

I'm gonna go with "as a threat" here. Hopefully they are charged and disbarred.

Just my opinion. I am not a lawyer.

[soothsayer]

26. The McCloskeys starring as Ken and Karen

Link to tweet

?s=21

[onethatcares]

27. how does an attorney (or two)

come up with the idea to grab their weapons and go outside to point them at peaceful demonstrators?

"Hey honey, It's way boring in here and I'm tired of looking at the shit we got painted on the ceiling and walls. Can we
take our AR-15 and his buddy out for a walk? "

Those pics of the inside just sicken me. I think if we started eating the rich we'd get sicker than with the corona 19. BTW, he's got Donnies' gut syndrom.

[gollygee]

36. Brandishing weapons is illegal

So I assume they were arrested.

[hack89]

39. It is never that clear cut

need to look at the actual law. I suspect that it is covered under the castle doctrine and is legal.

[NutmegYankee]

44. Oh bullshit.

Castle doctrine is defense of the home from someone breaking in. You can't claim it standing on the lawn pointing a gun at people. That was a crime.

[Calista241]

53. The street and lawn were marked private property. The protestors had to break down a gate

to get where they were in front of this house. Castle doctrine may well apply, but I tend to suspect that she is in more legal jeopardy than he is.

[NutmegYankee]

59. No, Castle doctrine applies to dwellings and structures.

This might be covered by one of the ALEC's Stand Your Ground laws which cover yards and other places, but castle doctrine as understood for the last 1000 years does not apply. People mix those two up and it pisses me off. Defending yourself inside a home is proper and natural. Standing in a yard pointing guns is not proper.

[hack89]

68. It is if people break down your gate and enter your property.

why would it be unreasonable to assume that their lives and property were not in danger?

[NutmegYankee]

71. No, it would not be reasonable.

Common access points like driveways have common law exceptions to trespassing. And even in a case of trespassing, the use of lethal force is not reasonable.

[hack89]

75. Turns out in Missouri the castle doctrine protects private property

you don't have to be in a dwelling:

2. A person may not use deadly force upon another person under the circumstances specified in subsection 1 of this section unless:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such deadly force is necessary to protect himself, or herself or her unborn child, or another against death, serious physical injury, or any forcible felony [defined in 563.011 as any felony involving the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual, including but not limited to murder, robbery, burglary, arson, kidnapping, assault, and any forcible sexual offense];

(2) Such force is used against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle lawfully occupied by such person; or

(3) Such force is used against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter private property that is owned or leased by an individual claiming a justification of using protective force under this section.

https://lawofselfdefense.com/statute/mo-563-031-use-of-force-in-defense-of-persons/

[NutmegYankee]

78. That is NOT a FUCKING Castle Doctrine law. That's STAND YOUR GROUND.

[hack89]

81. So you agree that it was legal then. Good

I will now leave you to split hairs and yell at the sky in rage.

[NutmegYankee]

86. It wasn't legal.

It requires the first part to be true. (1) He or she reasonably believes that such deadly force is necessary to protect himself, or herself or her unborn child, or another against death, serious physical injury, or any forcible felony [defined in 563.011 as any felony involving the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual, including but not limited to murder, robbery, burglary, arson, kidnapping, assault, and any forcible sexual offense];

[hack89]

90. Let's leave it to the experts shall we? We will know soon who will be charged. nt

[NutmegYankee]

91. Indeed. I look forward to this.

Racist fear is not reasonable.

[NutmegYankee]

99. St. Louis couple who waved guns at protesters face charges

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/20/us/st-louis-couple-weapons-protesters-charges/index.html

[NutmegYankee]

76. Also, there is video that shows no "break down" on the gate.

The protestors walked through an unlocked gate into a "commons" area where the common law exception to cross private property would apply.

[hack89]

83. Is a private road in a private gated community really a commons area?

what does Missouri law actually say?

[NutmegYankee]

85. Does anyone arrest the UPS guy?

[hack89]

88. Implied permission, don't you think?

why order something shipped via UPS if they can't deliver? I bet there is plenty of small print/case law covering that.

[NutmegYankee]

89. Or a hundreds of years old principle allowing access by the most obvious means to a property.

Either that common law principle or the girl scouts selling cookies are a bunch of trespassing criminals...

[hack89]

69. What about the general self defense laws in Missouri?

what do they say?

[NutmegYankee]

72. They do not appear to apply.

No reasonable threat to a person exists. Feeling fear because of racist views is not reasonable in a legal view.

[hack89]

80. Turns out castle doctrine applies to property as well as dwellings

2. A person may not use deadly force upon another person under the circumstances specified in subsection 1 of this section unless:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such deadly force is necessary to protect himself, or herself or her unborn child, or another against death, serious physical injury, or any forcible felony [defined in 563.011 as any felony involving the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual, including but not limited to murder, robbery, burglary, arson, kidnapping, assault, and any forcible sexual offense];

(2) Such force is used against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle lawfully occupied by such person; or

(3) Such force is used against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter private property that is owned or leased by an individual claiming a justification of using protective force under this section.

https://lawofselfdefense.com/statute/mo-563-031-use-of-force-in-defense-of-persons/

It was a gated community with a private road. The protestors entered through a gate that was clearly marked with no trespassing and private property signs.

[NutmegYankee]

84. That is not castle doctrine - it's a newer Stand your ground modification.

The doctrine has existed for 1000 years.

Also: This is required - (1) He or she reasonably believes that such deadly force is necessary to protect himself, or herself or her unborn child, or another against death, serious physical injury, or any forcible felony [defined in 563.011 as any felony involving the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual, including but not limited to murder, robbery, burglary, arson, kidnapping, assault, and any forcible sexual offense];

[jmg257]

41. Gated Community response team??

[Baclava]

43. Is this private property? A gated community? They could have just shot them coming over the walls

[PTWB]

55. No

The road is privately maintained but it’s still a publicly accessible road (parcel and food delivery, fire, police and medical response). The protesters are fine.

These folks will be charged.

[Baclava]

63. So gun sales in suburbia will really skyrocket now with Jenny n Eddie protecting their porch, lol

[Bengus81]

47. Wow!! That woman really has a bat shit crazy look...........

[BeyondGeography]

58. Looks like she had been tippling to me

No way alcohol wasn't involved IMO.

[manhattan123]

57. I didn't realize the Klan had summer casual wear

I guess those hoods do get a little hot in the warmer weather.

[cwydro]

60. Lol!

I literally laughed out loud. Well done!

[hunter]

62. We are the land of the free and the brave!

Our international reputation is secure in the hands of these patriots.

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[dalton99a]

64. Mark McCloskey's political donations:

[Buns_of_Fire]

92. Wow. What a surprise. Coulda knocked me over with a feather.

I never would have guessed.
That's a shocker.
Who'da thunk it?
They look like such nice people, too.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

67. The symbolism of this event must not go unnoticed by our public.

It is a perfect representation of extreme economic inequality and white privilege in America today along with unwarranted fear and an obsession with firearms, as opposed to a love of civility.

Poster boy and girl for what's wrong with America and most other developed nations.......

[Demsrule86]

70. How are you favorite Warren supporter? Those people are nuts...they know nothing about guns. K&R

[BeyondGeography]

93. As well as can be

Looking forward to getting to November in good health so I can cry tears of joy on Election Night. I know you had a couple of scares from your posts IIRC. Are you and yours doing ok?

[RANDYWILDMAN]

74. Holy F

Arrest those people, Now, don't wait, Right now !!!!DO IT !!! DO IT!!!!

[MarcA]

94. Mayor aka ruler hides on a "private" street while publishing addresses

and names of citizens who wrote her supporting police defunding. Such systems either
change or cease to exist.