I've been saying for some time & now see others feel the same-they aren't Karen, they're Veruca Salt

[themaguffin]

All of them.

All conservatives - at their core, it's whiny selfish tantrums.

This goes well beyond what became known as "Karen" and it puts an excellent (and fictional, but exact, descriptive, universally known) image and voice who they are.

[BigMin28]

1. Someone suggested on Twitter

That we should refer to these spoiled white women throwing tantrums as Ivankas instead of Karens.
I think that is very appropriate. I know alot of decent women named Karen. There is only one Ivanka, and she is spoiled rotten.

[Lars39]

3. I don't want to dilute Ivanka searches.

She does enough evil on her own.

[onecaliberal]

2. Actually they're Ivanka's.

[CurtEastPoint]

4. What does that mean? Veruca Salt. I googled it and it's some group.

[gollygee]

6. Spoiled rich girl from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory book

and from the Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory movie.

And the newer movie too I guess.

[CurtEastPoint]

7. Oh, never saw it. That was way past my childhood!

[TheBlackAdder]

10. My folks were born in the 20's and they saw that movie multiple times with us in the 70s.

[CurtEastPoint]

11. And I have no children, so....

[TheBlackAdder]

13. It's up there with 2001 Space Oddysey, Andromeda Strain, Blazin' Saddles, etc. A classic.

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Age has nothing to do with whether it is seen, which is my point.

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[CurtEastPoint]

17. Well, alrighty then. 2001 and Blazing Saddles ... yes.

[themaguffin]

20. I agree. A classic. I wouldn't watch the remake, because the original is so good & Gene Wilder

was perfect

[ProfessorGAC]

23. It's Not Just A Kid's Movie

There's plenty humorous stuff for adults, and a sweet (perhaps too much so) story.
It really is an all ages movie.

[NurseJackie]

8. Here she is...

[demmiblue]

14. Video:

[lunasun]

18. Hey near the 1:35 of that it does look like the lady trashing all the food on the floor at Walmart

last week
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/hhq089/young_karen_throwing_a_fit_over_being_asked_to/

[Hortensis]

9. :) Veruca salt. Like it. That'd also free up "karenism" as a name for

the real dynamic behind its explosion of popularity among both left and right wings: bigotry against white women.

That many don't yet realize what this dogwhistle has become just means they don't realize yet. The karenistas who remain after awareness causes many to drop away are the nextgen of those who approved screaming "lock her up" at both political conventions. No coincidence in the way both terms exploded across the political spectrum.

[TheBlackAdder]

12. Karen is a simple two syllable word, starts hard and drops off. Veruca less fluid and harsher.

[Hortensis]

15. Isn't harsh good for ugly meanings? This term was never

used only against individuals who acted out their vicious bigotry, but specifically initially to describe all supposedly bigoted white women by the actions of one. It almost immediately leaped to smearing all white women as bigots, probably was that by many from the beginning. After all, we're all guilty of racism just by being born.

But more than that, karenism's vicious misogyny also attacks minority women. No group can achieve equality when half of them are still taking it in the teeth from all sides, including their own who consider them guilty just by being born.

[TheBlackAdder]

16. But that's not how these memes work. Becky, Karen, Susan & Gertrude are just two syllables.

.

All this talk about changing it is just silly, because that's not how things work.



.

[Hortensis]

19. Oh! :) mean like "Jasons, Michaels, Henrys, Davids?"

Got it.

Btw, anyone notice that Americans don't do hate chants against men, only women? Maybe think about that. A lot more male politicians are available for targeting, but it's female pols targeted for that proudly spiteful rejection. Ask Hillary and Ilhan.

Misogyny isn't just bipartisan but is even deeper than racism, probably 200,000 years deep. Ask Stacey Abrams, within reach of being GA's first black governor and defeating white supremacist-but male-Brian Kemp. @10% fewer black male Georgians who voted for Obama voted for her. We don't have figures for how many would gladly have voted for almost any black man instead.

[TheBlackAdder]

21. A lot of the guy ones are single syllable too, but that type of trope didn't really catch on for men

.

Example: Chads are frat fuck-boys, and are nothing like a Karen. Matt Gaetz would be a Chad. Some people like to attribute that name to other things. I am a single parent with four kids living here,either late-teens or twenty-somethings. Two are LGBTQ and one is fluid. I've been schooled over and over, and still get meme use wrong, and when I do, they call me out on it. The Karen trope was created based on similar events and common names were chosen based on the generation, and they have slightly different characteristics. The kids say my age group, Susans, are the worst--most entitled and pushy of the bunch. Many of the Karen videos are actually Susans, but people stick with the one name because it's easier to process and associate. My daughters call out Karen type women just as much as anyone else, but they apply the right generational name to them.

Guys are more basic, so we can be called anything, dick, prick, jerk, etc. so names don't catch on that much.

Oh, one of the commonalities to these two syllable names is that they phonetically start strong in the first syllable and have a weaker second syllable.


Check out these post I made on this topic. There are scores more but these were the first I came across.

Follow this thread on HRC & Gender -- https://www.democraticunderground.com/10026489437#post70

Here's one about the GSA & Gender -- https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211458617

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[Hortensis]

22. :) You must be doing something right that your kids

haven't just given up on keeping you ... (whatever their word for it is).

Good posts from before. I actually kinda remember them. It's been a while since I've checked out CWAP, or your Dr. Dittmar. From some signs, including some of these elections where men running against women on the left are rather uber enthusiastically embraced, and losing women in office not at all a concern, I've been wondering if we weren't seeing a backlash on the left against the advances of "the year of the woman," which was actually already happening then. Remembering the surely excessive hostility to Nancy Pelosi as speaker that many were swept up by.

I believe Shirley Chisholm was probably one of the three eminent black woman I personally heard say (looong ago!) that of being a woman and being black she found being a woman the bigger handicap.

[TheBlackAdder]

24. Shirley Chisholm is my favorite politician of all time.

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I wish I had a chance to meet her.

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