Florida just got even worse. The day has come, we're researching relocation options.

[Pacifist Patriot]

On the same day my county officials unanimously rejected a mandatory mask policy and my sister still remains unable to find available testing for her and her son, Gov. DeSantis took a massive axe and chopped through the beating heart of higher education in this state.

With a stroke of his veto pen, Gov. Ron DeSantis wiped out the entire $29.4 million budget for a suite of online education services that have become critical to students and faculty during the Covid-19 outbreak.

The move, barring action before midnight Tuesday, will kill the Complete Florida Plus Program, an array of technology systems that faculty, staff and students throughout Florida rely on, never more so than now, in the midst of a pandemic that has amplified reliance on distance learning. The cuts include a database of online courses and an online library service that provides 17 million books to 1.3 million students, faculty and staff.

At least 2,000 adult learners could be cut off from their scholarships and school accreditation could even be at risk without the resources housed under Complete Florida, which are used by students at high schools, state colleges and universities. Some 150 employees in Tallahassee, Gainesville and Pensacola stand to lose their jobs. ...
https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/06/30/desantis-kills-online-learning-program-amid-virus-resurgence-1296178

Gov. Jeb Bush must be positively reeling. ...It’s time to learn the lessons from these heroic efforts and plan for a future in which public education can continue without access to classrooms — not just because of a pandemic but because that’s the future of learning....https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/03/jeb-bush-its-time-embrace-distance-learning-not-just-because-coronavirus/

I love my home; it's been a great place to raise my children. My grandmother was born and raised here. My father spent his summers here when he was growing up. This decision hurts.

We're stuck here for another few years, but we've made up our minds. When we retire, we're relocating. I know that sounds like giving up and leaving problems for others to solve, but we are simply exhausted after 26 years of trying to fight the rising tide of far right politics and the exploitation of low-information constituents.

These cruel idiots will never understand why a healthy and educated workforce is important for a strong and successful society. If I owned a business, especially in the high-tech industry, I'd be making calls this morning to get my company out of this state.

My emotions are so complex this morning, I can't figure out where disappointment, anger, frustration, and grief collide. I hate this state that I love so much.

[secondwind]

1. That last sentence......

[onetexan]

48. I think its the state government she hates, not the state itself

Many parts of FL are beautiful & the beaches stunning, some of the best in the world. Dems need to work harder to turn it blue, like TX here. Takes a long time but we'll get there.

[MaryMagdaline]

2. Yep. It's the anti-education state

I feel your pain down here in Broward County

[certainot]

40. floridians should know 20 limbaugh stations depend on 5 fla universities using their

athletes to sell asshole dittoheads like disantis, defund education, deny global warming, and make excuses for trump and racism.

from fakenewsradio.org : FLORIDA 20 Florida 10, Florida St. 4 Miami 2, South Florida 2, Central Florida 2

those are just 20 of 260 limbaugh stations that depend on 87 universities to keep using their athletes, majority black, to help republicans help putin.

most of the pro teams in florida probably also broadcast on KKK-lite radio stations....

[MaryMagdaline]

69. Interesting connections - thanks

[certainot]

72. the global warming denial alone should be a no brainer for Fla unis

it might not take much pressure now. the uni of colorado was getting low level pressure for years to pull their sports off the main CO limbaugh station and suddenly last sept limbaugh was demoted to a lesser station. in the last year the unis local govt recycling and alt energy program directors, local environmental groups, uni groups, as well as congressman joe neguse were aware of the absurdity.

the station may have decided it had to prevent the possibility of the uni pulling out and broncos and rockies joining in. it will take some journalist to find out.

one uni doing it and making it known will force many other unis to do the same.

that and limbaugh croaking will doom the GOP for decades, and get democracy working again.

[genxlib]

76. There is one aspect of education where I would give Florida credit

I have spent the last 2 years heavily researching college for my daughter who is heading off to Ohio State this fall.

I begrudgingly admit that Florida has done really well relative to the rest of the country. They have kept their in-state tuition really low compared to other states. It is actually the second lowest in the Country (behind only Wyoming) and is less than half of many states.

Combined with the lottery supported Bright Futures Scholarships, many quality students can actually go to school in state tuition free.

The net result is that the Florida schools are moving up in the rankings because even kids who would ordinarily go to top schools are finding real economic advantages to staying in state.

Despite all that, my daughter desperately wants to leave Florida which is right on theme with this OP. We certainly understand so we are investing in an out-of-state option for her. Nevertheless, I have had to give credit to Florida for making the numbers work better than anywhere else we looked.

[MaryMagdaline]

78. Yes. Very true

And if your daughter goes out of state, you will get your money back.

I have a close friend who desperately wishes her son had gone to UF Pace on line. It was all paid for. Then he could have transferred to regular UF in two years. He was too proud and went to Tulane (a good school) but he was going on line anyway for the last quarter.

Good luck with your daughter!

[genxlib]

81. She is a smart kid and got some scholarships to make it doable

Still costs more but something we can live with for an only child.

At this point, I just want her to have a chance at a good college experience. This corona BS is making it very hard on her class. They are going to convene on campus but the experience will be greatly diminished by many of the rules. Even with all of those restrictions, things may go haywire and she could be back home early. Just one of the many things that are so messed up right now.

Thanks for the well wishes

[RAB910]

3. Want to destroy a place? Put a Republican in charge

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. So true.

[onetexan]

50. That about sums it up. Nicely put.

[Botany]

4. But not to worry the University of Florida, FSU, Miami, other schools, and the NFL will all try ....

... to play football this year until the C-19 puts an end to that madness.

I know what you are feeling because Ohio has become "Alabama North." We are all paying the
pricefor a dirty voting system and Reagan's killing of the fairness doctrine 2.5 generations ago and
now Vlad Daddy & Fox* have come into that vacuum and filled it with lies, hate, and disinformation.


* and don't forget our evangelical friends .... Jesus really was a free market small government guy.

[lonely bird]

30. Re: Ohio

I can't argue. I am in Portage County. Completely red county. The county seat, Ravenna, is dying. The only reason we live here is that I had to live in the territory for the company I worked for. We ended up buying a house next to my brother-in-law who is also a Dem and a really great guy.

Rural/low population areas trend red because they view themselves through a different filter. Religion plays a large role as does some bullshit self-made individual mythology bullshit.

[Hortensis]

56. Also because most cons feel more comfy among people like them,

while libs are not just more open to different experiences but need them. Appreciation for conformity is one of the main conservative personality characteristics.

We had conservative neighbors in L.A. who formed small, introverted (and happy) worlds for themselves there, excluding all the differences they didn't want, living much the same as they would in the small conservative cities. We've also known a bunch of cons who "hated" the city and went to find their Mayberry dreams in this great national sorting out, while libs pay gaspingly high RE prices to get all the cosmopolitan amenties.

[genxlib]

5. I'm with you

Lifelong Floridian here. Raised in Northeast Florida and living in Southeast Florida for over 30 years.

We are ready to get out too. Although, I must confess it has a lot to do with the real climate and not just the political climate. The brutal heat in the near term and the sea level rise in the long term makes us want to leave.

Our biggest problem is where to go. We just haven't found a place that calls to us that isn't crazy expensive or just a blue dot in a red region.

Do you mind if I ask what part of the state you live in?

[Lochloosa]

11. From the post my guess is St. Johns County. NE FL

[Pacifist Patriot]

14. Good guess, but it is Brevard County.

[Lochloosa]

16. St John's did the same with a mask ordinance last night

They wouldn't even bring it up for a vote.

[Pacifist Patriot]

24. Ouch!

[Lochloosa]

32. Yep. Born and raised in Tallahassee, now I'm in Jacksonville.

It's like.moving to a foreign country here .

[RamblingRose]

34. I don't think there's a Democrat in any elected office

In Brevard County.

I grew up in Brevard and moved after college.

A county that depends on tourism and government funding of NASA and votes against its own best interest

[Pacifist Patriot]

51. I think we have a couple of mayors or city council members here and there.

That's about it.

[CaptainTruth]

43. I'm in Brevard too. Merritt Island. Are you nearby?

[Pacifist Patriot]

53. Not too far from Dragon Point actually. Land side.

[CaptainTruth]

62. I've driven down there a few times.

I'm close to 520, middle of the island. I have several customers I work for on the "lower half," down Tropical Trail. In normal times I would say we should get together for dinner, but with COVID I'm going out as little as possible, & you've seen how cases have been going up on the island. I haven't been on the mainland since this all started.

I never got to see the dragon, it was destroyed before I moved here.

And for folks who don't know what Dragon Point is (was) here's a pic.

[link:

[Pacifist Patriot]

67. When this is over, I'd love to get together.

As it is, my family is staying as hunkered down as we possibly can. With these people as our neighbors, it's about all we can do these days.

I am losing my patience with our county. I see people all excited about the low hospitalization and mortality rates in both Florida relative to the US and Brevard relative to Florida.

Those are lagging indicators. They are failing to appreciate the leading indicators - positivity rate and median age. Our county's positivity rate tripled and median age plummeted over a matter of just under two weeks. That is an amazingly rapid change that should scare the hell out of everyone.

As the current surge of cases, mostly in younger people, transmit it to the older and at risk populations, we will see serious problems escalate and rapidly. I feel like my community and its "leaders" have tied me to the train tracks and I can hear the train's whistle around the bend.

[Pacifist Patriot]

15. Yes, climate change has also fueled this discussion between my husband and me over the last year.

We're in Brevard County. So coastal concerns are real as well.

[LizBeth]

70. Oregon political map is interesting. I think often it is blue dot with red region cause rural goes

red and that little blue dot is millions, in little dot cities. But Oregon is interesting because there are only two blue areas that reach central to coast. The rest is red. Portland to coast, and Eugene to coast. We are all progressive, I moved in an area with kin. It really is wonderful to live in again.

[link:|]

[genxlib]

75. I love the Northwest and could see myself living there

The real estate values scare me a little but it is on my radar screen.

The biggest problem is still having a lot of family back in Florida. It really becomes a more significant disconnect to get that far away. Having said that, if my company offered me a transfer there I would jump at the opportunity

[LizBeth]

82. Yes. I am in the same situation. My family is a far ways away and I have always been the caretaker

of all for 25 yrs. All of them. I moved here for me and I had to weigh my obligation of continuing to take care of everyone for all of my life, or my dream gets a chance. I did it with the option that if I ever want to, I will go back to dry, hot and red. Over the years, I have put down roots. It is just heaven. Cool weather, I hate the heat. Rain, I love because I have lived in places where there is so little rain, there is always that battle. Here, water is in abundance. That makes me feel good. We collectively consider the environment, not perfectly but just something we do. It is a gentle place for me to age. Lol. I am a better person here so I do not think I will be leaving. My family and I talk often texting and calls.

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. I'm so sorry. As an educator, Florida has been in a bad way for a long time, but this is

insanity. The Republican Way.

[Cha]

7. I'm so sorry, Pacifist Patriot..

I have a sister and her family in Gainesville and my nephew and his girlfriend live in St Pete. They hate desantis.

I lived in Gainesville back in the day.. I love the state.. just not the government there.

[HAB911]

8. I'm with you

in addition to the politics, add the fact it will be almost uninhabitable during the summer..............it's been over 100 in my little slice of heaven for the past few days, pretty much can't go outside.

[Pacifist Patriot]

17. The heat is brutal.

My swimming pool already feels like bath water. That didn't used to happen until mid-August.

[RobinA]

73. Yeah I Was Down There

visiting a relative who lived in Ponce Inlet once in mid-August. We're from PA. "Let's jump in the pool to cool off." Well, that didn't work. "Across the street to the ocean, that HAS to be cool!" Nope, bath water.

[samnsara]

9. a few years ago a friend of mine relocated back to her home state of Ohio.. she had been..

..working here in Washington state as a Pharmacist but her kids were back there and her first grandchild was due so she decided to go back home. She hates it there. She asked me what I liked about my state that keeps me here. I told her that my state made me feel safe because the government was progressive and pro-choice and I trusted them to make the right decision for my family and myself
She said ..'yeah...'....sort of like she knew what she was leaving and what she was heading back to. She has since, bought land over here on an island and will build a house there to retire to.

At some point you have to think about the future as it comes way too quickly and then you will find yourself unable to act...age..economy...something will stop you of you don't make some commitment to change so you will be HAPPY! (and...do you really like all that humidity enough to stay?)

[Thekaspervote]

46. Not to mention FL is sinking! What will a property be worth in 10-20 yrs?!

[lostnfound]

10. Florida was a precious jewel

I don’t blame you at all. Our family arrived in the 1950s. Exquisite beauty can be found there. I left in 1988 but never let go.

[Baitball Blogger]

12. If the program was needed, it means that it is also lucrative. De Santis is tearing it down

to hand over the service to a private business.

My guess.

[Pacifist Patriot]

19. Hmmmm...that would be a significant motivating factor for a Republican...

Especially if he has stakeholder interest in said business.

[Baitball Blogger]

23. Good ole boys always find a way to leach off public services.

Research FLVS and Frank Kruppenbacher. He was the first lawyer that I ever knew was a Chamber of Commerce president AND a high level public servant. What could go wrong?

[beachbumbob]

18. the voters of florida have gotten what they wanted and now its paying off

now its time for democrats to take Florida back

[Pacifist Patriot]

20. Not for lack of trying. I'd be filthy rich if I had a dime for every razor thin GOP win ...

over the last decade - at all levels of government. Add being suspicious of election results to my list of grievances.

[beachbumbob]

22. too many democratic voters been sitting back and watching for too long

2020 is different on many levels. FOR THE FIRST time the democratic base's ANGER continues to fuel them.. Started the day after trump won in 2016 and we say it build for 2018 wave of wins and we are heading for the same this year. Requires actions and not just complaints.

[appalachiablue]

57. +1 The close but failed attempts for 10+ years are crushing the state,

part of the plan, as well as other major factors like overdevelopment, deregulation, pollution and climate change. Parts of the US are near becoming a wasteland, like a 'foreign country' as a poster said. Extreme to say but the similarities to eastern Europe post- war, or parts of South America come to mind.

Since I first visited Fla. in the late 1950s-60s when there were still vestiges of the charm of 'old Florida,' it's been a big part of my life, like a second home. And I adore the atmosphere of the Keys, Key West and the Caribbean.

The natural beauty, orange groves and agriculture, sunshine and sea, diverse population, the Space Program, Disney. For five generations relatives and friends have lived there and had vacay places from Miami and Lauderdale, to Melbourne with NASA, Boca, Naples, Jax. A beautiful state that had a lot going for it that's going to blazes, like too many other parts of the nation. Troubling.

[sop]

21. I live in a congressional district here that was represented by a woman Democrat for years,

then redistricting (gerrymandering) began in earnest when the GOP took control of the state legislature. They added a bunch of huge retirement communities in the neighboring county - full of the angriest, most reactionary, racist old people imaginable, who had been moving down here in droves mostly from midwestern states - and turned the area into a "safe" red district.

A far right Republican congressman was elected, then a few years later he was primaried by an even more extreme Freedom Caucus knuckledragger, because the "establishment Republican" guy wasn't far right enough for our district. This Freedom Caucus fool is given to making hate-filled, racist, anti-immigrant pronouncements on FOX News, so his "white power" retirement community constituents love him to death.

I fondly remember the days of Walking Lawton and Bob Graham, when Florida was a diverse Democratic state. Now I'm represented by the likes of DeSantis, Rubio and Scott, with no immediate relief in sight.

[Pacifist Patriot]

25. Florida started shifting red about the time I moved here. Feels like a sick cosmic joke.

[mcar]

29. Sounds like you live near me

I'm in Citrus County. We went from a moderate Democratic congresswoman to the likes of Ginnie Brown-Waite (the woman who wanted to disinter WWI US soldiers because France didn't join in W Bush's Iraq war) to the execrable Daniel Webster, a man who has done absolutely nothing.

[sop]

65. I'm in Florida's 3rd congressional district. Different district now, but the same situation.

Ted "yahoo" Yoho is my congressman, the most retrograde political thinker since Bull Connor. Yahoo Yoho primaried Cliff Stearns, mostly because Stearns cast too many "reasonable Republican" votes. Yoho's retiring this year, can't wait to see what kind of neanderthal replaces him.

[mcar]

74. How did the good people of Gainesville elect Yoho?

[sop]

77. The district has been so gerrymandered, Gainesville's Democratic voters are far outnumbered

by Republicans in the deep red rural areas to the north and east, and the retirement communities in the Ocala and Palatka areas. Yoho primaried Stearns as a Tea Party/Freedom Caucus, anti-immigration, anti-muslim, pro-2nd Amendment, political outsider. He swore he would only serve two or three terms, so now he's retiring, true to his word.

Yahoo Yoho is a large animal vet, a local North Florida good old boy, who raffled off AR-15s during campaign rallies held at local gun stores. I attended one of his infrequent town halls in neighboring Newberry, but was afraid to ask a question after seeing the crowd that showed up. His appearances on FOX News proved so embarrassing, he stopped doing interviews altogether. His replacement will likely be worse.

[mcar]

80. That's what happened here too

District was gerrymandered to include parts of Pasco Cty and The Villages. When Brown-Waite was in, even her own county (Hernando) wouldn't vote for her.

[dewsgirl]

26. I have lived in Florida my whole life, my heart is broken.💔

[lark]

27. I'm 68, was born & raised in FL, moved away & came back in 1989.

I hated how redneck the state was while I was in my teens and got out to CA as soon as I could. Fast forward 20 years, I was married, had babies but no family there. I wanted my children to grow up with relatives, knew my mom would be the best grandmother ever. I moved back and FL had changed some, schools were integrated and the race wars over schools had stopped. Then Jeb came in with all his lies and repugs took over, they think for good. Ever since then, elections are so dirty here, teacher pay declined precipitously under Voldemort, and now DeSantis is fine with killing us for the sake of "business". I certainly understand the drive to get out of here.

Both my kids and my sister live here, which is the main reason we stay, plus we really like our house and the area where we live. But it's the family that has kept us here. If they move, we will definitely consider it.

[mcar]

28. We've lived in FL for 27 years

SO has one more year of teaching before he retires. I've got an at-home business here. We've talked about relocating too. To see what Republicans have done to this state over the years is maddening. Now I'm just tired.

[volstork]

31. "I hate this state that I love so much."

I feel the same way about Tennessee.

[sarge43]

33. My best friend, Floridian five generations back, has pulled up stakes.

She won't go back except to visit friends or take care of left over business.

She shares your emotions.

Want something destroyed? Put a repug in charge.

[Thekaspervote]

42. #DemsFixGopDiasters trends on twitter from time to time

[llmart]

35. Back in the early days of Dubya (another useless President)...

I remember having a brief conversation with a grocery store clerk here in Michigan. Somehow we got on the subject of how she liked it here despite the winters and that she had moved here from Florida. She was youngish and had two elementary-aged children. When I asked her why she'd moved from Florida to here she said in no uncertain terms, "Because I will NOT allow my children to grow up in a state that cares nothing about the educational system." I was like, "Wow."

This has been going on in Florida for quite some time now. Personally, even as a senior citizen, I would never move to Florida. My son lives there for his job and I visit occasionally but nope. I wouldn't be able to tolerate the summers. Don't get me wrong, I don't particularly like the winters here in Michigan either. They can seem terribly long, but now I have a grandchild and it will be the only grandchild, so I don't want to miss out on watching her grow up.

[catbyte]

36. I felt the same way about Michigan. For a decade, the gop has tried to turn us into Michissippi but

we turned that around in 2018. Perhaps you can, too. I'm really sorry.

[lillypaddle]

37. So many lives

upended and destroyed by this virus and the psychopathic tenant of our White House.

So sorry to hear that, Pacifist Patriot, that sounds incredibly hard.

[Wawannabe]

38. ...

[Ilsa]

39. The retirees will have to settle for

Veterinary techs doing their surgeries. (I love vet techs because they have lots of love in their hearts for animals. But surgery needs a surgeon.)

FL is becoming a 3rd world state.

I'm so sorry this is going so wrong for all of you.

[Thekaspervote]

41. I don't see that as giving up, I see it as a wise choice!

I really feel for you, relocating is hard.

I am in Illinois and am thankful everyday that we have a very smart, giving, philanthropist as Governor! I feel at least somewhat protected with Governor Pritzker between us and the idiot in the WH.

I could never live in a red state

[IronLionZion]

44. Northeast or leave the US?

I know people from Florida who have done both. Some moved to the Northeast for better healthcare and be around more liberals. Some peaced out completely to other countries like Costa Rica, Caribbean, Europe, or Asia. Costa Rica is situated in a way that doesn't get hurricanes.

COVID is completely out of control in the US, but states like Florida are getting it hardest due to Republican stupidity. Warm sandy beaches are a nice thought but people will always spend more time in the air conditioned indoors.

[Sunsky]

45. I have been researching relocation options

For some time now. If it weren't for the cost of living I'd move back to SoCal in a heartbeat.

[mnhtnbb]

59. I went to high school in La Jolla graduating 1969.

Left Los Angeles area with hubby in 1988 because we didn't want to raise kids in L.A., ending up in Chapel Hill, NC by 2000 for the excellent public schools.

Now, as a widow, I am in the process of having a home built in an over 55 community just southeast of Chapel Hill. For fun, I googled over 55 communities in SoCal--focusing on north San Diego County--and discovered for a cool half million you can basically get a double wide trailer in an over 55 community with a clubhouse and pool!

After we left California, I never looked back. Florida never appealed to me because the summers are too hot. We've been going through some rough political times in NC for the last 10 years because of the gerrymandering done by the Repubs after 2010, but we managed to elect a Dem Governor in 2016 with a good chance for him being re-elected and a good chance we'll also toss Tillis from the Senate.

The Triangle area of NC is pretty blue: Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill. And Asheville in the mountains is blue. The Wilmington area--by the beach--is kind of purple, but might be a place a former Floridian would enjoy. Housing is not crazy expensive there, either, unless you want to be right on the water. But NC has taken some hits from hurricanes in recent years and has a long history of being susceptible to hurricane hits on its coast.

If you haven't taken a look at NC yet, it might be something to investigate.

[Sunsky]

83. NC is one of the States we are considering

My bestie moved to Raleigh a year ago and she is loving it there.

[Pacifist Patriot]

84. Definitely considering NC.

Although we've lived in coastal areas most of our lives, my husband and I are both mountain people at heart I think.

[mnhtnbb]

85. You should get in touch with NRaleighLiberal

who just moved with his wife earlier in the year from Raleigh up to the mountains in NC. They are not far from Asheville----which is the bluest part of the mountains (most expensive for housing)-- and enjoying it a lot.

[Historic NY]

47. My brother wanted to go there so much....

pulled up stakes here in Ny. He bought a place in an adult community in Pinellas, but after not quite a yr passed away. His daughter a nurse followed her parents down. Now she convinced her mother to be a snowbird and is looking to come back north where, with her degree and experience she would double her VA salary.

[calimary]

49. I'm sorry it's come to this for you.

Watching the state devolve under republi-CON “leadership” has been very dispiriting.

[bluevoter4life]

52. Born and raised in Broward County

Left that God-forsaken state going on 9 years ago and haven't looked back.

[CaptainTruth]

54. As a fellow Floridian I feel your pain, but I'm staying. I'm determined to make a difference here.

Anyone who follows Florida politics knows most of our elections are close, usually decided by 2% or less. Florida has more registered Democrats than Republicans. The state is not as "red" as many people think & dammit, I'm going to do everything I can to elect competent folks here.

[Hortensis]

79. :) Nothing just continues on without change, certainly

not things become so bad that the pain middle class voters cause others finally comes home to them. The famous "Greatest Generation" only became great after their parents and grands, and they themselves, brought our nation close to ruin through callous stupidity, meanness, greed, gross negligence. And then they elected the Democratic Party to fix it.

[marble falls]

55. He's trying to force the schools open?? We're out of Texas as soon as the plague abates ...

its no better here.

[obamanut2012]

58. This actually affects higher education waaaay more than k-12

[marble falls]

60. Either way its a BS move, alright. Close the beaches - they'll save as much easily.

[Roland99]

61. And how much money went to INCREASE VOUCHERS???

--- HB 7067: Lawmakers took a series of steps to increase school choice, including dramatically expanding the Family Empowerment Scholarship voucher program. The program, which was created last year, provided 17,724 vouchers as of February --- a number that will be able to jump to more than 46,600 during the 2020-2021 academic year.

[GulfCoast66]

63. I feel your pain but don't plan on leaving.

I we will starting winning in the next several terms.

Would already have if we did not have a constant influx of old, conservative white people.

Also, I can’t imagine not having ready access to the gulf coast. And to move and still have it would mean Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana or Texas! No thanks.

Good luck.

[jaxexpat]

64. My take is that republicans are simple minded.

Give them something complicated and they screw it up. EVERY time.

[LizBeth]

66. NW is a little bit of Heaven. Unless you gotta have HOT!, humid and year around.

I have never settled or stayed in one place so that concept if not way meaningful to me. I have moved around a lot. I get what I missed, but missed, it is not known.

[Pacifist Patriot]

68. I was an Army brat. Having settled here for over a quarter century feels both natural and odd.

I honestly wouldn't mind a more gypsy-like life style in retirement. I like seeing new places, having new experiences, and meeting new people.

[LizBeth]

71. +1