I think trump believes a vaccine will save him in November. The problem is that it is highly

[still_one]

unlikely that a vaccine will be available to the general public by November, and determining just how effective that vaccine is going to take some time.

[madaboutharry]

1. Trump lives in a fantasy world.

He is delusional, making him an incredibly dangerous person.

[uponit7771]

2. K&R, seeing the last 3 - 4 plague vaccines were horrible (sans 09h1n1) I'll wait no matter what

[LonePirate]

3. It doesn't matter if it is available if he can say it exists, regardless of its efficacy.

[doc03]

4. That won't stop him from anouncing in October that

he discovered one.

[NCDem47]

8. And his twisted logic...

1. I should be rewarded for saving the world, so you have to vote for me (nevermind he did nada, zero, zilch).

2. Possible inference that he's not elected, the vaccine won't happen (won't a vaccine happen regardless of who is in the WH?)

[global1]

32. Some Strategy - Destroy The World - Just To Fix It.....

Hmmm.... I'm thinking that such a strategy will not get him re-elected.

[Claustrum]

5. I don't think he believes anything will save him.

His trick to answering anything negative is to deny or delay with some "possibility" no matter how low chance the possibility is, as long as you can't 100% strike down the possibility. His tactic is just to get through the current question. It's his usual deflect and delay tactics.

For example, we have 15 cases, it will get to 0 "soon", even if that soon takes 4 years. Summer heat will make the virus go away (smh, Australia was in their summer and still had a COVID outbreak). But all of this can't be countered until it actually happens. So he gets a pass on his current question.

[dawg day]

6. We're going to have to be ready to say, "This is not a vaccine. this is a trial balloon."

In October, when some company rushes an untested and possibly unsafe vaccine, we're going to have to be ready to call it "October surprise" and point out that vaccines must be tested, and most initial vaccines aren't successful.

Trump's sure to act like he's cured it.

[still_one]

14. We need something to bring the focus on reality

[writes3000]

7. A highly respected doctor/researcher just told me that there would be a 2 shot vaccine this fall.

So I think it’s possible. This doctor seemed confident.

How the vaccine gets administered and whether people want to take it will be a giant mess.

[dawg day]

19. I don't know-- most vaccines take years-

They never have gotten an AIDS vaccine, after a global effort for 35 years.
And some vaccines (the first measles one comes to mind, and the first shingles one) aren't effective for very long.

And this virus is already showing mutations that might make the first vaccine ineffective in many cases.

It will probably end up like the flu vaccine-- need one every year, and it's only effective 50-60%, better than nothing, but no real panacea.

I hope for the best, but we can no longer trust the CDC to be truly honest about this. If they say in October there's a vaccine, well, that will be playing into Trump's hands.

[soothsayer]

20. I've heard it has to be intravenous

Not some simple shot or shots.

[albacore]

9. About half of Murikans won't take the vaccine..

... and Fauci hopes the vaccine would be 70% effective.

I can't do that kind of math, but it looks like that's not going to be enough to stop this thing.

"Only about half of Americans say they would get a COVID-19 vaccine if the scientists working furiously to create one succeed, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

That’s surprisingly low considering the effort going into the global race for a vaccine against the coronavirus that has sparked a pandemic since first emerging from China late last year. But more people might eventually roll up their sleeves: The poll, released Wednesday, found 31 percent simply weren’t sure if they’d get vaccinated. Another 1 in 5 said they’d refuse."

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/half-americans-would-get-covid-19-vaccine-ap-norc-poll-n1215606

[dawg day]

31. I don't know why they talk about "herd immunity" anyway-

Measles-- which affected almost everyone in the US before 1970-- conferred absolute immunity, and still every kid somehow got exposed and infected.
And the first vaccine wasn't lifelong, so kids vaccinated after 1970 started getting measles about 10 years later.
And even now, when there's a good vaccine, the unvaxxed kids are fine until college, then every year a few hundred come back from spring break with it and infect all the other unvaxxed ones.

There's no herd immunity for measles, just very widespread vaccination-- and even with that, unvaccinated people still manage to get exposed.

Covid-- which is much slipperier, quicker to mutate, and who knows how long the antibodies last-- probably won't have as effective a vaccine. AND because the immunization will have to mean that adults (not just children as it is with measles vaccine) will have to get the shot, and we know what that means (even without the ridiculous culture/political implications, we know how difficult it is to get even 70% compliance with a flu shot with adults).

Plus vaccination should be absolutely free as a matter of public health, and it should be free without all the machinations needed for most "Free" immunizations (have to go to particular clinics, not your own doctor). And we know that won't happen if the GOP has anything to say about it. Spend some $ to give people free health? Well, we know how much they hate that.

There's never going to be herd immunity, anymore than there is with flu. Maybe it will die out, and maybe the vaccine will protect most of us. I just have no confidence when there's Trump " in charge" and the Senate in GOP hands. They just don't really care.

[AleksS]

10. Don't forget: he'll lie a lot.

I expect SOMETHING injectable to be available in late October. I expect Trump to crow about the “Bigley-est vaccine ever.” and how his administration developed it personally by hand.


I also expect us to find out mid November that it was all bull puckey and the “vaccine” is only slightly worse than injecting bleach.

[Atticus]

11. A vaccine may not be available before November, but I'll bet a "vaccine" will be. nt

[Initech]

13. My brother said maybe by this time next year, and that's a big maybe.

But he's also reiterated the theory that COVID could lose virulence and die out without a vaccine. And he's an ER doctor who is on the front lines.

[still_one]

15. Besides a vaccine, an effective treatment will also be needed

[Initech]

27. And also a competent administration.

[still_one]

28. +++

[samsingh]

12. the argument he will make is that he can bring jobs back - total bullshit

but many voters will fall for it.

We need Biden to take ownership of the economy and jobs and tout how effective he and Obama were in recovering from the bush job disaster.

[still_one]

16. All excellent points, and add to that healthcare

[soothsayer]

22. I don't get why the feds aren't hiring contact tracers?

Seems like it would solve a couple problems at once.

[awesomerwb1]

17. It's not a "problem" for them

they'll just find "experts" to go on Fox news and radio stations everywhere to tout the incredible work done by trump in getting this vaccine to the American people and the world.

In other words:

-There doesn't have to be a vaccine for them to claim there is one

-If there is ("it's coming", "almost ready&quot , it doesn't have to be effective until after November *wink* wink*

[pwb]

18. Thing is nobody believes a word from this administration.

We are on to them.

[NightWatcher]

21. Plus, his freaks won't take it because they fear science

[soothsayer]

23. I don't really want to take a hurried vaccine either

Nor do i want to be the first one to ride on a new roller coaster. Just sayin’.

[captain queeg]

24. I don't think that would save him even if it came to pass

He’s toast. So much is coming out now and it’s just the beginning of the flood. Doesn’t mean he won’t try anything to save himself.

[Dan]

25. I wouldn't trust anything from this administration.

[still_one]

26. None of us would, but the question I guess would be how will the "independent" voters view it?

[SidDithers]

29. November is 4 months away...

There's no chance in hell that a vaccine is ready in 4 months.

Sid

[lettucebe]

30. They could release an effective vaccine today and it wouldn't not help him be reelected

Economy is ruined and will take a decade or more to repair. He's simply toast. Not to mention he had zero to do with the economy but that's an argument for another day

[duforsure]

33. He'll do again like he has always done in business

Lie his ass off claiming things he knows aren't true and he'll never do, then offer up his excuses , but when forced to do (stimulus payments) he will claim it was him that gets this for you, all lies. trump and McConnell are stalling stimulus checks unless they get there's in the bill, other wise trump won't sign it. By stalling and trying to do lower amounts for the people trump is heading us towards a depression, and a market crash like we've never seen before.