With all the endzone dancing and football spiking over Rmoney's leaked video

[Hey Jude]

I still have to wonder...exactly which voters did he lose that he wasn't going to get anyway?

Just askin'.

[Fresh_Start]

1. when the retired old folks realize that they are the 47%....

Romney will lose them and we should help them understand that he doesn't want to be their president

[nanabugg]

5. You mean the ones who can't even remember who they are and vote as their children tell them? nt

[madmom]

17. Maybe you should get out a little. There are many old folks who

still are very much in touch with the real world. These people are the ones who worked their entire life so that they may possibly be able to have a comfortable retirement. My dad is 83 years old, still works his own vegetable garden, my mom then cans the harvest and distributes it to the entire family. They have friends that do the same. The ones you speak of are a small minority, and I believe it's very telling that you think about older people this way.

[Hey Jude]

6. My experience with most "retired old folks", and I'm old and semi-retired,

Is that most of them believe they have earned every penny of their retirement, including SS and medicare and whatever pension and savings they may have.

[Bluenorthwest]

11. Or course they have earned it. Which is why so many retired folks also pay income

taxes. More than a third pay no just taxes, but taxes on the Social Security, due to other income which they also earned. So....when Mitt says they don't pay, he's insulting them with a lie.

[Fresh_Start]

14. I totally agree with them....but if they didn't pay taxes because of living on SS they are the 47%

Romney didn't make any exception for them.

[alcibiades_mystery]

15. Then they should question Romney's math

Since without the retirees who do not pay income tax, there's no way you get to 47%. So, he is either shockingly out of touch with the very numbers he is drawing on (which disqualifies him to set policy of any kind), or he is including those retirees in his moocher class argument. Either way, Romney seems completely unsuited by disposition, policy knowledge, or character for the job of President.

[regnaD kciN]

30. They won't realize it...

As far as they're concerned, they worked hard all their lives, and are now only getting back what they paid into Social Security. Besides, they're white, and everyone knows Romney was only talking about Those People. In other words, it will just be another case of "get your government hands off my Medicare!"

[get the red out]

2. I'm hoping he is giving the media something to talk about

I'm hoping this gives the media more opportunities to talk about him in a negative light, make the Republicans feel like losers and some not show up.

[Barack_America]

3. Hey Jude! Well, the no-tax-paying, government-handout-getting moochers include retirees...

...and combat zone military, to name a few voters.

Welcome to DU!

[Hey Jude]

21. That goes to my question

Did he have ANY of those voters before?

How many votes do you think he lost here on DU?

[Barack_America]

26. The elderly and military are traditionally Republican voters.

That has been in flux somewhat recently, but traditionally is very true. Also, the states with the highest percentages of people not paying income taxes are the reddest of red states.

[muriel_volestrangler]

29. Yes, Romney had retiree votes; he led by 15% on the 65 and over age group

Obama has an advantage of 12 percentage points among women and among voters of all ages except those over 65, who favor Romney by 15 percentage points.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/09/14/NYTCBS-poll-Obama-49-Romney-46/UPI-84091347651169/

Now, it's possible that Romney's voters over 65 are all taxpaying retirees, but it's more likely that some are in the non-taxpaying group. And he's just called them freeloaders - part of the 47% he thinks he'll never reach, and doesn't want in the USA.

[treestar]

4. The very middle he was talking about getting

Most people don't have extreme right wing views and won't like his nasty comments calling people entitled and lazy, even if they don't fit that profile. It's un-presidential. If you want to be President of the US, you don't call half the US hopeless and unwilling to be responsible.

[malaise]

7. Most the the folks who have watched his lying ads about Medicare

This should scare the Dickens out of them

[JaneyVee]

8. Seniors, veterans, students, middle class,

[Bluenorthwest]

9. Pointing at an arrogant buffoon and laughing at that buffoon is not 'football spiking'

and clearly this is not the endzone. I just have to say, if watching millions of people mock this arrogant buffoon strikes you as unseemly then don't laugh at the arrogant buffoon.
Also, not a big sports guy, but one spikes a ball and dances when one has personally scored, when the other team fumbles the ball, no one spikes, they just point and giggle at the fumbling buffoon. So perhaps you just have the lingo wrong...

[cali]

10. some of the 5-8% of undecided voters

he needs so desperately to win. And likely some of the people who have tentatively been supporting him- particularly senior.

he's fucking himself daily. fun to watch, though I'm going to wait on end zone dancing.

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. Romney's problem is an accumulation of assholish behavior

and the general appearance of a shoddy operation. It's not that this or that content will lose voters (although I think that this particular content will turn off independents), but that a general feeling of failure, disorganization, detachment, and priggishness just pervades his campaign. Romney's problem, increasingly, is that people cannot imagine him as President in the face of such behavior. They don't like him, and it's compounded by the fact that he is constantly off-track, constantly answering for his latest statements, constantly patching holes in a disorganized and seemingly non-strategic campaign. Every week. Every week he provokes some new nonsense and drama. It just looks and feels slipshod, and slipshod doesn't unseat incumbents.

[TwilightGardener]

19. Exactly. Constant incompetence and slipups--that's what will have the biggest impact.

[DefenseLawyer]

13. Non-political types. The "casual voter" if you will.

For those people that don't pay a lot of attention, their vote is far less about issues and more about perception of the man. Reagan was a right wing nut, but to the casual voter he was a nice man and a cowboy. Gov. Dukakis was smart and qualified, but to the causal voter he became a goofy little man in a tank. This is just one more sliver of information that leads to a (in this case correct) perception that Romney isn't a nice guy. He won't have a beer with you. Ever.

[hifiguy]

20. He'd have Bain buy the brewery and then

close it down.

[Jennicut]

16. There are very little undecided voters left.

Of the ones Romney was hoping to get, he is coming off as idiotic, arrogant and out of touch. It simply fits the narrative that he is not ready to be President. I would rather be President Obama (whom the media is not focusing on much) then Mittens with the stupid tapes saying insulting things to all Americans. Simple as that. None of us believe the election is over, but Romney keeps stepping in it and is not helping himself at all.

[Warren Stupidity]

18. Everyone's "mooching class" grandma?

Put a fork in him Jim, he's done.

[Jim__]

22. You know in the video where he says he needs to work on getting 5 - 10% of independents?

That's them.

[randome]

23. He's lost the vote of those who saw him as an acceptable politician.

The guy has shown himself to be completely clueless when it comes to politics, regardless of the merits of his statements.

People don't like voting for a loser.

[Liberalynn]

24. I'm hoping it will hurt Mittens!

but it is a cautious optimism. It will be interesting to see and hear in the next few days how it plays among the general public, meaning non-political junkies.

[gollygee]

25. Probably some moderates but more than that

I think it'll help to get out our vote and discourage their side from bothering to show up.

[renie408]

27. I have had one person tell me that after last night, they are no longer undecided.

[PearliePoo2]

28. I think that the people who might have voted for him at one time

may just sit home. He's just not liked that much.
He hasn't lit a fire with too many voters. For many, IMO, it isn't so much a vote for RMoney as it is against Obama.
Note the lack of, so far, of RMoney yard signs or bumper stickers. There almost non-existent.
Mittens...they're just so not into you.

[Phentex]

32. Yes, was thinking the ones who realize he is a loser won't want to aid that...

so they'll stay home or vote for Obama.

[Bluenorthwest]

31. Scrooge McDuck For President!

Does that sound like a winner to you?

[Zen Democrat]

33. Seniors who don't pay taxes on Social Security and Medicare

are in Mittens view .... VICTIMS! People who feel entitled to food and health care and housing. Yeah, call these people parasites and kiss them g'bye.

[ibegurpard]

34. not really relevant

it will serve to fire up the people that we need to get to the polls

[frylock]

35. spiking the football, hunh?

where have i heard that before?

[HangOnKids]

37. A Real Tell frylock n/t

[justiceischeap]

36. There are actually moderate Repubs out there that may now decide

to sit this one out. They may not vote for President Obama, but now they won't vote for Mittens either.

[cr8tvlde]

38. Cautiously Hopeful ... Born (and escaped) a Dark Red State.

It's impossible to accurately described the concept of the glazed-over eyes that substitutes for thought or ability to discern facts. I'll be watching the polls and hoping.

If President Obama were not of mixed-race, it would be over. For logical and thinking people, it would be over. It's not over, yet.