Anyone else see the discussion on Morning Joe about Trump not leaving WH if he is defeated?

[CTyankee]

I was surprised they devoted so much time to that discussion. James Carville, sometimes treated as a wanna be comedian, was pretty certain Trump wouldn't voluntarily leave and William Kristol also thought so. Strange bedfellows, those two.

They were laying out possible scenarios of how his resistance would happen but thought it was near certain.

Couldn't find the segment on youtube. Does anybody have it? It was pretty fascinating stuff.

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. Well of course. But that is next year, so much horrible shit is gonna happen

between then and now.

If we are around at all.

[CTyankee]

4. That's why I was surprised to see it on Morning Joe.

It was almost a clarion call to Americans that this guy will not leave the WH voluntarily and to be prepared for the worst. Not that we can do anything about it except start talking about it more and perhaps get some of the worst of his advisors to tell Trump to quit. And I mean Kellyanne Conway, to be specific...

[Eliot Rosewater]

12. GOP will cause the deaths of millions, because they are too cowardly to act against traitor.

That is actually happening, right now.

They will actually not have the courage to do the right thing and the results are going to be HORRIFIC!

[dalton99a]

2. Putin will do everything he can to prolong his puppet's regime

[not_the_one]

31. Bingo. It 's not what the turd wants, it is what Putin wants that is important.

Putin KNOWS the turd is going to lose. He was shocked his social media lies and manipulations of actual voter tallies of the EC enabled the turd to win the first time. (Yes, I believe he did manipulate actual votes, too much evidence to say he didn't. You think it was coincidence that just enough votes in EXACTLY the right states, allowed 70,000 votes outweigh 3,000,000? Bullshit.)

So after the shitshow of his first term, Putin has no delusions about a second term.

But Putin DOES see great opportunity for more chaos, more divisiveness, more destruction to the foundation of the USofA.

If the turd tries the martial law route and refuses to leave, it would be Putin's wet dream. He could finally claim us as the latest satellite state of Russia, the USofR. At least for a very short time, until the turd is dragged out of the White House in handcuffs.

Putin doesn't want the turd in Russia. He would be nothing but a non-stop pain in the ass. The turd would think he could continue The Donnie Two-Scoops Show from there. So he would stumble out that 4th floor window, or accidentally eat a hamberder full of polonium. That would be TOO obvious, even for Putin.

If he is smart, the turd will flee to Saudi Arabia before handcuffs are involved. If not... Say La Vie

edit in bold

[beachbumbob]

3. its all hype to keep viewers as the election will be so one sided

trump aint staying in the whitehouse after Jan 1, 2021. its nonsense talk

[onetexan]

6. Ditto. Yes i saw the show and it's nonsense he won't leave. He'll get his behind dragged out

of the WH, kicking & screaming i'm sure.

[beachbumbob]

11. the media effort from now until Nov 3rd will be to dishearten the democratic voting base, smear

Biden and do what they can to lessen what appears to be a massive blue tidal wave sweeping GOP out everywhere. The russian bots will be striking, we will see a rise in discuss on this forum questioning bidens ability, we will see it across social media platforms.

Won;t work this time

[lagomorph777]

27. M$NBC has replaced many of their Pharma and Wall Street ads with Turd's campaign ads.

[Dream Girl]

32. Umm that's not how ad placement works. They don't choose which ads they run.

There are agencies that purchase ad space based on viewer demographics. Often these agencies purchase packages would guaranteed a specific viewer demographic audience

[lagomorph777]

33. The network has no say in the ad placements? Not credible.

Also, hard to imagine a worse demographic for Turd's ads, than a M$NBC audience. Would they advertise on Amy Goodman's show if they could?

[Dream Girl]

35. Many times, it's part of a "package" media agencies might guarantee that the ad will reach

A target of say “affluent women , age 35-55” I’m not sure how political leanings factor in. iSometimes they might appear to miss because it may be part of a big ad buy. It’s quite complex...media is one of the more quantitate aspects of advertising. Here’s a link to describe the process. It’s pretty scientific and automated. I’ve worked in marketing and advertising for many years and seen lots of media plans. The media outlet has nothing to do with the ads that are run.
Here’s a link if you wanted a little primer.

http://americantargetnetwork.com/media-buying-agency/

[manhattan123]

41. Some ads you see run only locally on your cable system

Not nationally on MSNBC.

Just as with the regular broadcast networks, which allot several minutes to their local affiliates every hour to sell and air local ads (that's when you'll see the commercials for local car dealers or the like), the cable networks do the same, allotting time every hour to the various local cable systems that carry the network, Time Warner, Spectrum, Comcast, etc.

They have no say on them and likely aren't even aware of them.

But even with national ads airing on the full network, unless the ad violates a particular standard it has set, the network itself will usually not prevent an ad from running on one of its shows. Republican money works as well as Democratic money.

[lagomorph777]

42. Satellite.

[manhattan123]

44. So it ran on the network

As previously noted, unless it violates a standard they set, they will air it. Sorry, but that's the advertising business. You don't have to watch the channel if its ads upset you.

[lagomorph777]

45. I flip away when they show Trump or one of his ads. I mute when they show any of his lackeys.

[CTyankee]

8. I think they were pointing out that he might have to be removed forcibly.

[Arkansas Granny]

21. Yep. If there's no drama, they lose viewers. It's a marketing technique.

[BigmanPigman]

5. Trevor Noah asked Biden about this...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/12/trump-says-will-leave-office-peacefully-if-he-loses-315736

He said he believes the military would escort him out if it comes to that.

This Slate article goes into detail about what will really happen.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/trump-election-refusal-leave.html

[empedocles]

13. Possible easy exit. However, far too complacent scenarios/assumptions - imnho

No great harm in being prepared for other possibilities.

[Stallion]

24. Federal Agency Charged with Serving Writs and Executions of Judgments- US Marshal's Office

not sure why everybody suggests there is a constitutional role in the Military to enforce judgments. I think that would be bad precedent at least until orders from a Court are issued AFTER attempts are made by the US Marshal Office to serve Trump with Orders for him to evacuate

[Peregrine Took]

26. Edward Luce, editor of the Financial Time,s is the one who said this.

I think he has more political heft than an ordinary MSM pundit.

[Bengus81]

7. So tired of hearing that "theory". He'll lose, board Marine 1 on Jan 20th and that will be it.......

[lagomorph777]

28. He should not be allowed in Marine 1. Paddy Wagon or garbage truck payload bay would be better.

[Buckeyeblue]

9. He can refuse to leave but as soon as Biden is sworn in, it's all over for Trump.

[Hoyt]

10. He'll leave. In any event, we need to vote him out first and in a landslide.

[DFW]

14. That's fine. He has two and a half months to pack.

Then, around January 19th or so, he'll take a golfing trip to More à Go Go, and forget that he ever intended to come back.

[lagomorph777]

29. I don't think he'll take a risk by heading to Mar-A-Guano.

Safer to go to his dacha, Mar-A-Moscow.

[grumpyduck]

15. I agree with the above post: this is just media hype

to keep viewers interested and talking so they come back for "follow-ups." And watch the commercials.

Sure there's a chance he would do anything, but these shows need to keep viewers coming back.

[donkeypoofed]

16. There are vids on YouTube of this morning's show

They are in 1 hr blocks, so I hope you know the time.

[winstars]

17. I said the day after he was elected that the SS will be shooting it out with the FBI on 11/4/20

But not I am not sure it will be the FBI under Barr thats gonna evict his fat ass!!!

[empedocles]

18. Carville and Kristol both have been deep on the inside of power player and players.

[Siwsan]

19. I believe the most dangerous time will be after the election is called, and January 20

I worry about what kind of damage a defeated and 'humiliated' trump* might actually be capable of attempting to cause. Hopefully the non-related people surrounding him are going to put country first.

And I have some concern about how his cult will be lashing out.

[redstatebluegirl]

38. Can you imagine how many pardons he will give between November and Jan 20?

[Siwsan]

40. Good thing Ted Bundy is dead.

As I recall, he was a republican.

[Larissa]

20. Thanks for the Slate article

I could never get why folks were so concerned about the possibility of Trump not leaving the White House if he is defeated. If Biden wins election as president, Trump becomes a private citizen. Biden answered the question better than anyone: the military will remove Trump if he refuses to leave. I believe the outgoing president always gets a free ride home. I was hoping the military would let Trump fly out with the paratroopers and just jettison him over Mar-A-Lago. At least it beats a ramp walk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paratrooper#/media/File:U.S._Army,_British_and_Italian_paratroopers_Pordenone,_Italy_191203-A-JM436-0590C.jpg

[CTyankee]

23. Maybe Dylan can re-work his song to be "It's all over now, you piece of shit."

[Enoki33]

22. Think I'm getting more concerned about what happens in the

next two and a half months while he still has the power to influence events. Always remember the Nazi model he increasingly seems to follow.

[DBoon]

25. It is to incite his base

So they view any victory by Biden as illegitimate

[redstateblues]

30. I like Carville but he's just trying to get subscribers to his pod cast

[MoonRiver]

34. So, Biden will be sworn in and take residence in the WH after all the vermin have been exterminated.

No problem.

[Buns_of_Fire]

36. It'll be a calm and orderly transition.

I'm thinking something along the lines of Tony Montana at the end of Scarface.

[jcgoldie]

37. I think its more likely he leaves 2 months early...

Once he gets his ass beat in the election he will have zero more interest in being president and take his quarter pounders and retreat to mara lago to pout on twitter.

Edit: Come to think of it that will be just like it is now.

[Fiendish Thingy]

39. Once Biden is certified as EC winner, whatever Trump does after that will merely be entertainment nt

[Andy823]

43. All they have to do

is cut off his supply of Diet Coke and McDonalds hamburgers. He won't last long!