White Michigan couple arrested after gun pulled on Blacks

[Eugene]

Earlier DU thread: "She's got the gun on me": Video shows white woman pulling pistol on black mother, daughter in MI

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Source: Associated Press

White Michigan couple arrested after gun pulled on Blacks

By COREY WILLIAMS
July 2, 2020

A white couple was arrested after at least one handgun was pulled on a Black woman and her daughters during a videotaped confrontation in a restaurant parking lot in Michigan, authorities said Thursday.

Jillian Wuestenberg, 32, and Eric Wuestenberg, 42, were charged Thursday with felonious assault, Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper said in a release. It was not immediately clear when they would be arraigned or if they have attorneys who could comment on the allegations.

Cellphone video captured the confrontation Wednesday outside a Chipotle in Orion Township, about 40 miles (64 kilometers) northwest of Detroit.

Jillian Wuestenberg can be seen outside her vehicle shouting “get the (expletive) away! Get away!” while pointing a handgun.

She eventually gets back in her vehicle which is driven away by her husband.

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Read more: https://apnews.com/a9a76dcc1b4a3d011d9c8278158154cd

[Solly Mack]

1. K&R

[onethatcares]

2. when the doxxing starts

someone's gonna pay.

and

Stupid should hurt.

[uponit7771]

11. #RacsimIsExpensive

[LanternWaste]

3. Very satisfying (and surprised) to hear this.

[cwydro]

7. And there you are.

Always with an uplifting and cheery post, no matter to whom you are responding.

Glad to see you boo!

[MagickMuffin]

4. Good the first reporting said the enforcers were keeping their identity a secret

Glad they have changed their minds and are going to charge them, which is exactly what they should have done immediately.

Otherwise more white "people" would be emboldened to behave like that and get away with it.


Hopefully the Wuestenberg's spend time in jail, LOCK THEM UP, they are a danger and threat to citizens.

[Mickju]

5. Good!

I saw the video of this incident earlier and it was appalling.

[GulfCoast66]

6. And they are being charged with a felons. Bye, bye guns.

[MichMan]

9. I thought you had to be a convicted felon to lose gun rights?

[Brother Buzz]

10. I believe you temporarily loose your gun rights

until the whole thing is adjudicated.

[GulfCoast66]

55. That is correct. Well, they probably lose them while the case is adjudicated

I was just happy they did not hit them with a misdemeanor. At least there is a decent chance they will lose their gun ownership rights.

[tblue37]

79. They'll probably plead it down to a misdemeanor. nt

[MoonlitKnight]

12. Bye bye voting in many states as well

[GulfCoast66]

56. This, I disagree with.

[StarfishSaver]

58. I do, too

But good for the goose ...

[MoonlitKnight]

60. Strongly

And these are the ones who get those rights restored right away.

[2naSalit]

8. Good...

Let the chips fall where they may.

[leftyladyfrommo]

13. Do these people never think about how they will be arrested

And/or jailed and publically humiliated when they are videotaped doing this stuff? And they usually lose their job.

It's like kids who murder someone over some drug deal. Does it never occur to them that it will be the end of their life when they do that? The rest of their life will be in prison somewhere.

[Tipperary]

74. I read an article saying he had been terminated from his job.

Apparently these two fine specimens have a habit of being assholes in public.

[pnwest]

14. If you've only seen the short version of

this video, it totally plays like a gun crazy Karen. The long version shows the girls being upset that she bumped into one of them, she was apologizing, everybody was shouting, and the girls stood behind their car and wouldn’t let them leave. THATS when the gun came out. This totally plays like the girls created a situation to bait someone into acting like that so they could have the notoriety of having a “Karen” experience.

Please don’t flame me as being a white apologist, I am appalled every time I see one of these videos - and was appalled when I saw the short version of this one. Then I saw the longer one with the pre-amble.

[Ferrets are Cool]

15. I won't flame you, but did ANYTHING you see on that video

require that a gun be pointed at another person?

[pnwest]

17. Yes. Right before where this video starts,

they were in her face, shouting , swarming her - very aggressive - and then the standing behind their car to prevent them leaving - or trying to get them to hit her with the car. I saw the longer version on Reddit, trying to figure out how to post it here.

I’m not saying the whole situation wasn’t ridiculous, but this version very conveniently omits the lead-up to the gun coming out - where the woman was acting reasonably, just trying to get in her car and leave.

[Kaleva]

19. None of which excuses the white woman of committing a serious crime.

[Betty88]

20. I saw that too

Little bit more to this story than at first.

[Kaleva]

28. None of which prevented the couple from being arrested for committing a serious crime.

[pnwest]

43. Thank you.

[StarfishSaver]

24. If you're in your car driving away, you are not in any imminent danger

Drive away.

Nothing in that video shows any justification for that woman to grab her gun, jump out of the car, and threaten to shoot that family. Nothing.

And obviously the authorities, who not only saw both videos but have more information than you have, agree that she was in the wrong and do not agree with you that she was "acting reasonably."

If she had shot and killed the black woman, would you still insist she shouldn't have been charged with anything?

[pnwest]

25. That's my point, one girl stood behind their

car and wouldn’t let them drive away.

[Kaleva]

33. I don't see why you are defending someone who committed a felony.

Pointing a gun at someone with intent to instill fear without justification can land you in prison.

[pnwest]

41. I don't know the law to the letter, but

doesn’t being blocked from leaving amount to justification?

[Kaleva]

44. Not in Michigan

The only time one can draw and aim a gun at another is when one would be justified in shooting and killing the person. I don't see that being the case here.

[LiberalFighter]

72. Justification for what? Shooting someone? Hell no!

[StarfishSaver]

75. Justification for using deadly force

Um, no.

[radius777]

86. Nothing that happened justified ARMED self-defense.

This was a typical argument that happens in parking lots and stores everyday across America.

The black women/girls were not a threat to anyone.

The white woman simply wanted to 'show who was boss' by pulling out the gun - potentially risking the lives of many people including innocent bystanders.

[PTWB]

27. Whoa! I hope you don't really think that.

While the longer video showed more context, there absolutely was no justification to pull a gun. None! I am a gun owner and even have a concealed carry license.

I would never ever pull a gun in that situation. I’m glad this woman was arrested.

I’m still waiting in the St. Louis couple to be arrested.

[Sunsky]

59. BS

The longer video has been posted.
The fact that she got inside of her vehicle before coming out with the gun means it could have been prevented. She should have stayed inside her car. There was no need to bring out her gun. It seems as if white folks are always justifiably in fear of their lives when a black person is involved
I'm sure law enforcement saw both videos as well.

[MyNameGoesHere]

71. So pulling a gun is where you are now?

Please explain the criteria for whipping out a gun. Because if you see this as a valid reason I'm going to need to start carrying. Perhaps when the restaurant gets my order wrong I should whip out the gun? What's the new normal? Maybe that person walking toward me is eyeballing me the wrong way, whip out my gun?

[Iggo]

78. You pull a gun when someone's shouting at you?

Do you think it’s okay to shoot and kill someone for gettin in your face?

[cwydro]

81. What's kind of funny about your question is how many posts I've seen here about what posters would

do if someone gets in their face during this pandemic time.

I've seen LOTS of threats of violence. Probably just tough internet talk, but still.

[Iggo]

85. "Back up pretty fast, then leave" would be my first choice.

I've lived like that before, and eventually it catches up to you.

[radius777]

87. The desire to physically react to non-mask wearing non-social distancing covidiots

who willfully risk the lives of many - is very different from threatening deadly force in a typical parking lot squabble (against harmless girls).

[cannabis_flower]

29. I saw the longer version

And I would have felt very intimidated by the girls. They got close to her car and were yelling at her. One of them was blocking the car from backing up. I think she thought that one of them was about to grab her and pull her out of the car. I don't think she should have drawn her gun though but I can see how she was afraid. What she should have done is roll up the window and lock her door.

As far as apologizing for bumping the girl, I don't know whether it was necessary or not, that part isn't shown in the video. Apparently she wasn't hurt. From experience, I know that you are asking for trouble if you go around demanding that people apologize to you. People who are rude enough to bump into you and not apologize usually won't apologize anyway.

[pnwest]

42. Thank you.

[pnwest]

48. Long version comment #47. n/t

[Tipperary]

16. Good luck. nt

[pnwest]

18. Yeah, I know. Loins girded. I know everybody's

gonna pile on...just saying don’t accept everything presented to you as gospel truth.

[Chemisse]

23. Yeah, none of this had to happen. It was a ridiculous display on both sides.

The mother and daughter were ALL over this couple in the most obnoxious way. It didn't show the push or shove but if it was so grievous they could have filed a complaint. They didn't have to be so aggressively rude.

I can understand why the white woman flipped out, but pulling a gun was way over the top. If they felt they couldn't drive away because the mother was behind the car, they should have just parked and called the police.

That's the problem with guns; when you have one, right there on your person, they become the solution to every problem.

[StarfishSaver]

26. Bothsiderism might be acceptable if the white woman had just yelled at the black woman

But when she pulled the gun, bothsiderism flew out the window and she committed felonious assault. Period. One woman yelling and one woman waving a gun in her face are NOT equivalent in any way ...

Unless you're among those who believe that black people are more inherently dangerous than white people.

[RVN VET71]

35. I agree that the woman's gun-pulling was a crime

and I hope she goes to jail for it.

But if the full video shows her being -- as is described here -- besieged by the woman and her daughters and that they actually blocked her car to keep her from leaving, she will likely not go to jail but will, instead, get levied a fine. But, regardless of the circumstances, she is obviously not a "responsible" gun owner by any definition, and needs to have hers taken away. If convicted -- as she should be -- of a felony, I think she loses the right to own or carry, so there's that.

Still I have to wonder at he folly of the African American woman shouting at an angry -- and foolish -- white woman pointing a gun at her. Even seeing only the edited bit of the video, I was appalled at the danger she put herself in when she could have walked away and called the police -- which she ultimately did. But what in hell was she thinking? Her daughters were with her and could have been killed or injured because of her arguing with the crazy woman with the gun.

As for the "I am not a racist, I just threaten to murder black people in shopping mall parking lots" woman, I agree with a commenter above 100%: even if she felt threatened -- and I think she did -- she should have remained in her car, rolled up the windows, and called the police, -- not threaten to kill people.

[StarfishSaver]

38. You should have stopped at "the woman's gun-pulling was a crime"

Once she did that, nothing else really matters.

[RVN VET71]

73. Correct. She's a felon, plain and simple

I was looking at what's likely to happen to her in court and speculating that, owing to the "mitigating" circumstances she will probably get little or nor jail time although she will have to pay a fine and, most likely, join the highway clean-up crews for 6 months to a year.

Also, I have no doubt, not a quark's worth, that if the racial roles were reversed and the gun-wielder were a black woman the police would have tracked her down, beat her up, maybe killed her -- and other family members -- and if they didn't kill her she'd be doing some hard time in a penitentiary.

American justice -- at its most exposed.

[StarfishSaver]

76. Not only that, imagine what the reaction would be here

Some folk on DU think that mouthing off at a white woman justifies having a gun pulled on them and their life threatened. I can only imagine what reaction they'd be willing to defend if the black woman had threatened a white woman with a gun.

[RVN VET71]

83. Anyone who justifies what this felon did is crazy

And I mean crazy in the sense of suffering a cognitive impairment of some sort.

My feeling in this matter: she's got an 80% chance of not going to jail although she will pay a fine and do community service.

My feelings if the situation had been reversed and it was the Black woman who pulled a gun on the white woman: the Black woman would have not a chance in hell of avoiding jail in addition to paying a heavy fine, but only if she wasn't shot dead by the police as soon as they arrived -- and maybe before they even got out of their squad car.

[StarfishSaver]

84. Everything in your post is true

[Chemisse]

45. I like being objective when I evaluate something like this.

And I can certainly look at both sides up until the minute the gun came out. There is nothing wrong with fair-mindedness. Just because I strongly support BLM does not mean I am going to automatically side with people in a conflict just because they are black.

I think the initial incident (the white woman bumping into the girl - not shown) was probably pretty rude. The mother and daughter had a choice as to how to react to this. I don't blame them at all for calling the woman to account for it; in fact I admire people who are willing to stand up for themselves. I do blame them for the relentless and extreme way that they went about it, going so far as to block the woman from getting in her car and running behind the car to prevent her from driving away. That caused the situation to escalate. Anybody - black or white - would have been very angry at this point. The woman then had a choice as to how to respond to this. She also made a bad choice, only hers was MUCH worse (bothsideism ends here, with this choice).

The white couple were arrested and lost their guns, which is good, and they clearly wound up being the villains in this story. But I am disgusted in varying degrees with all four of the people in this incident.

So don't insinuate that I am racist because I like to be impartial and analytical rather than caught up in passions.

[StarfishSaver]

50. Once the gun came out, nothing that happened before really mattered

Unless the black woman did something to put her in immediate fear of her life, nothing she did up until then is relevant to the discussion.

The black woman did not "escalate" the situation. The situation was escalated when the white woman got out of her car brandishing a gun. That's totally on her.

I did not insinuate you are a racist, so you might want to check yourself there.

[Chemisse]

54. Actually you did. Apparently any nuance in the discussion the other person is racist.

You said this, which (obviously) would be part of a racist belief system: "Unless you're among those who believe that black people are more inherently dangerous than white people."

[StarfishSaver]

57. If you aren't one of those who believes black people are more inherently dangerous than white people

I wasn't referring you, was I?

If you are, then that would speak for itself.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

62. hahaha. them uppity negroes daring to be bothered that

an entitled white woman runs into the girl after the girl made room and then doesn't apologize until she flings a passive aggressive "sorry you're upset with your lives" type of apology.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

32. you are so very wrong...blame the victims

i saw the longer video. and while I wish people could to e down the level of vitriol when there are disagreements like someone bumping into someone else, this did not need guns drawn into it.

you meed to rethink your biases to think this woman was in any way justified

[Chemisse]

46. Could you please show me the quote in my post where I said the woman was justified?

Maybe you need to back up and stop being so quick to call someone 'biased.'

[SiliconValley_Dem]

61. i think you need to keep your multiple user names straight

I replied to you as pnwest and then you replied to me as Chemisse

[Chemisse]

64. Ahh. I thought your response was to my post. n/t

[Iggo]

80. Snap.

[The Magistrate]

36. High-Test Barnyard Product, Sir

Nothing in that would have justified a blow, let alone production of a deadly weapon.

[Chemisse]

49. Of course not. I believe I indicated that with these statements:

I can understand why the white woman flipped out, but pulling a gun was way over the top. If they felt they couldn't drive away because the mother was behind the car, they should have just parked and called the police.

That's the problem with guns; when you have one, right there on your person, they become the solution to every problem.

[fishwax]

51. I've seen the long version. Still seems like a crazy gun toting asshole to me.

[Johnny2X2X]

21. Just idiots

This is why concealed carry permits require more screening and training. This was nothing and they both got their guns out for no reason other than to terrify people.

Both of the charged people are idiots and hotheads who cannot be trusted with guns. They listen to all this gun rights propaganda and we’re just itching to use their own.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

31. most concealed carry people are paranoid assholes too

so there's that.

[Johnny2X2X]

37. I am pro 2nd amendment

Also think concealed carry could be Ok with limits and training.

But I’ll say this, I would never consider carrying a gun, you know why? Because I don’t want to shoot anyone, period. I am pretty seasoned and street smart, been in violent situations, fights, and even been mugged more than once, as well as jumped by a group of people. Not one time would a gun have not made each situation much much worse. In fact, I think other times I lost my temper I might have done something stupid with a gun, like these folks.

Now I know some people with the perfect temperament to carry, most of them have some type of training though. Today they give out carry Licenses like candy, it’s a joke, I know people who Cannot control their temper who carry guns, I know people who have mental problems who carry. It’s way too widespread. It makes everything more dangerous.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

39. agreed there are way too many guns

[llmart]

40. +1

I'm fairly knowledgeable on what it takes to get a concealed weapons permit in Michigan. They hand them out like candy here, especially to white people. You have to take a test that an average sixth grader could pass and then you have to give them the names of two or three references. Usually the gun nutters just give out each other's names as references. Never do they ask a wife if there is any history or indications of mental instability.

Yes, once they get that they are just looking for a reason to use it.

[StarfishSaver]

22. Cue the people coming in to tell us why they did nothing wrong and it was the Black family's fault

that these people pulled a gun on them, even though the authorities obviously beg to differ.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

30. very dumb privileged white folk

[NRaleighLiberal]

34. just read a little bit about them. they seem nice

[pnwest]

47. Found the longer version with the lead-up.

[StarfishSaver]

52. The police and prosecutors "found" that long before you did. And they charged her with a felony

And they did not charge the black woman with anything. So the "lead-up" might matter to you, it doesn't in any way change the fact that the white woman was in the wrong and the black woman was not.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

63. exactly!

[Kaleva]

53. I can see why the white woman was arrested. She really fucked up.

[rgbecker]

66. Kaleva! You really summed up this thread! Brava!

She really fucked up.

[RandiFan1290]

69. I'm glad these scumbag racists were arrested

[onetexan]

65. Felonious assault in MI carries up to 4 years in prison and fines reaching $2,000

https://www.mymichigandefenselawyer.com/michigan-criminal-laws/michigan-assault-laws/

Hope this will teach them a lesson not to brandish their guns to terrorize people of color.

[onethatcares]

68. they will probably get

some form of court ordered supervision with fines and costs. It will change their lives in more ways than they know. No more alcohol, no smoking the weed, p.o. can stop by their job and house at any time, random urinalysis. all those nice things the system is all about.

Plus it looks like they have means so the system won't really want them to leave.

yep, they haven't a clue.

[ecstatic]

70. Good! Deplorables are finally being held accountable.

Lock 'em up!

[tenderfoot]

77. This couple has a history of shitty behavior...

https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/jill-eric-wuestenberg/

And doesn't it figure that there is a slew of seething assholes defending them.

[tblue37]

82. The husband got fired over this:

https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/jill-eric-wuestenberg/

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The Huffington Post’s Philip Lewis tweeted that Eric Wuestenberg had been fired from his job at Oakland University following the charges. Eric Wuestenberg’s profile has been deleted from the school’s website. A cached version of that page shows that he previously worked as the school’s coordinator of veteran support services. Oakland University is located in Rochester, Michigan.

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