I Think Putin Ordered Trump To Kill As Many Of Us With The Covid-19 As Possible

[DanieRains]

I thought this thought this morning.

If Trump wanted to act in a way to kill as many Americans as possible what would he have done different?

What action could Trump have taken since November to kill more Americans?

From ignoring ALL the warnings, to calling it a hoax. From not manufacturing PPE or tests, to stealing PPE so no one could protect their health workers. From refusing to wear a mask to turning mask wearing into another political battle. Daily gaslighting, and lying constantly about everything, with Fox backing up his lies.

I don't think Trump could have killed more Americans than he has already done. I don't think it is incompetence. I think it is Putin.

Rec if you agree.....

[Mme. Defarge]

1. Posted this on Wednesday.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213682864

Did Putin give His MAGAsty directions on handling the pandemic in all of those private phone calls? Is this why so many Republican governors and civic leaders are obstructing efforts in their states and communities on the wearing of masks? Is causing harm, which advances Putin’s interests, the actual goal?

After the mind boggling, soul crushing revelations of Bountygate, one has to wonder.

[triron]

27. yes one has to wonder. No big surprise if that's what happened.

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Of course he did and continues to order our deaths.

GOP , the ENTIRE GOP are obliging...every hour they dont remove traitor, they proactively kill Americans on purpose.

[OAITW r.2.0]

3. Kind of makes you wonder....

By the sheerest of coincidences, Trump's handling of this crisis is exactly how Putin wants to see it handled.

Kompromat then, kompromat still.

[demigoddess]

16. did you notice that Russia had wayyyy fewer deaths than we have had?

why was that???

[Ford_Prefect]

33. They don't count everyone and they don't release true numbers at all. Under Putin its like the USSR.

I don't believe you can compare either since we have poor numbers from both.

[luvtheGWN]

38. The number of cases per capita

are the highest in the US, Russia and Brazil (at least that is what I read this past week.)

Since the folks most resistant to wearing masks and staying home (and thus the likeliest to get sick or die) are the poorly educated, I think Trumputin's plan has backfired.

[tecelote]

42. How about by per capita?

USA Population is 328,000,000
We've had 131,000 deaths
That's 1 for every 2,503 people

Russia Population is 144,000,000
They've had 9,859 deaths
That's 1 for every 14,605 people

Let that sink in.

Trump's leadership has killed more of our citizens than Putin could ever hope to, short of nuclear war.

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Here's where I got my numbers: https://www.google.com/search?q=russia+covid+19+death+toll&oq=russia+covi

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

4. Taking this a step further - we need to ask why would Putin AND

white supremacist/radical far rw/ neofascist groups want covid to be running rampant & people frightened and dying.

To create chaos. To crash the economy. To nullify democracy and install some form of tyrannical rule under the guise of "emergency."

It really has come to this.

If youve not already read this

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375

[Mme. Defarge]

12. Fintan O'Toole is highly credible

and this was an important warning in 2018. Let’s pray that witnessing the murder of George Floyd was really a bridge too far and that the Black Lives Matter uprising will destroy the virus in that has invaded the body politic.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Don't attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.

Also, there's Occam's razor: The simplest explanation is probably the correct one. Trump, with or without Putin's input, isn't trying to kill people to satisfy Putin; he just doesn't care. His only goal is re-election. He has either managed to convince himself that the virus is going away, or he's trying to convince everybody else that it is - because he thinks that if the economy recovers he will be re-elected. Because he's stupid and ignorant and refuses to listen to experts, he thinks that the economy will recover quickly if everything re-opens right away and everybody goes back to work and starts buying things as if nothing had ever happened. Obviously this is spectacularly wrong but it's obvious that it's what he believes (or at least wants everybody else to believe). Data showing the virus is spreading out of control in some areas doesn't matter to him because he simply rejects it as fake news. He believes only what he wants to believe. His actions certainly benefit Putin because they weaken the US, but Putin doesn't have to lift a finger or suggest a thing. Trump is doing it all by himself.

[Docreed2003]

9. +1

[onenote]

11. +1

Did Putin also order the deaths of thousands in his own country?

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

14. IT'S A both/and. Its incompetence which serves a purpose. Somewhere I read a neo-nazi term

for Trump - agent of chaos. They openly state what the intentinon is - its no secret.

[Ponietz]

30. I hear you but think the simplest explanation is kompromat

[Cirque du So-What]

6. Not completely on board with this

but I consider it within the realm of possibility.

[liberalla]

13. That's where I am.

I would also go with reply number 4 above... create chaos, wreck the economy and government, etc. Definitely create fear and confusion, versus killing maximum number of people possible. Interrupt the election if things aren't going his way.

[babsbunny]

7. There's a bounty on our heads

That's how it feels, and no one is doing anything....

[onecaliberal]

8. The idea cannot be readily dismissed.

[Faux pas]

10. I

had that thought when we found out how long the hump knew about covid and didn't bother to warn we the people. He's a treasonous mass murderer.

[GeorgeGist]

15. $$$

talks.

Putin has it, Trump needs it.

[HotTeaBag]

17. You haven't ascribed a motive.

Why?

And as a spoiler before we get too far down the rabbit hole, I think the idea is bat shit crazy and slightly embarrassed that it's on this site.

This is pretty much up there with sex slaves in a pizza joint.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

20. because Outin was traumatized by 1989 and has been looking to

restore Russia as soviet empire while demolishing NATO and humiliating/hurting the United States.

[HotTeaBag]

22. OK.

Again, bat shit crazy.

I appreciate your response.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

23. read more about his history

[HotTeaBag]

24. Don't really have to.

I already know he wants to hurt America - that's nothing new.

However, the conspiracy theory of Putin ordering Trump to kill Americans and Trump doing his bidding is ridiculous.

And honestly this is boring so, I'm out.

[triron]

28. where have you been the last few years??

[uponit7771]

45. You don't think Trump's servile to Putin ?! tia

[uponit7771]

44. Malcom Nance is crazy ?!

[uponit7771]

43. YES !!! Putin was a true believer in the USSR !! He was in east Germany when USSR fell apart and

... East Germany was the gem of the bunch and they were going broke too!!

They blame the west for not allowing the USSR to borrow money and or causing decent with the guy after Gorbachev borrow but the soviets never established credit like the US, UK and tons of other nations had done.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

21. +1. N/t

[SiliconValley_Dem]

18. Trump is probably paid a cash bounty for every American who dies of COVID19 or

from complications taking chloraquines or ingesting bleach

[SoonerPride]

19. Offered him a bounty.

I give you $10,000 for every dead American.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

25. I think it started as a virus unleashed by their incompetence.

But it morphed into an opportunity to kill black, brown and old people. That suits the base just fine. Neither "leader" appears to have a soul. Look into their eyes. Nothing.

[ananda]

26. Actually, I think it's more about money than deliberate murder.

Deaths to him are simply collateral damage.

What's important is all the looting and co-opting of
drugs and supplies.

[Chemisse]

29. Maybe. But he's happy to have people dying all on his own.

Old people are fully dispensible in his mind, and I think he derives some pleasure just from causing pain and death. The fact that POCs are harder hit by Covid is a delightful twist of fate for him, I believe, and gives added enthusiasm to his open-it-all back up and let it rip through the population stance.

[kimbutgar]

31. This friend of my husband's called today to speak to him and told me this

I was shocked and the more I thought of it, it disturbed me. We discussed that it was probably supposed to hurt minorities but now white people are dying.

[StarryNite]

48. Older white people are dying in much larger numbers

than younger whites. He's good with that, less SS to pay out with us dead.

[world wide wally]

34. Don't forget about his push to reopen everything early

[StarryNite]

49. Open early and those damn rallies of his.

[Harker]

35. He's piling up bounty points. n/t

[sagetea]

36. Been saying so

since the beginning....he (the traitor) may have not started the virus, but he is using it as a weapon. They have weaponized it. The cultists will then go out and spread it. Killing as many as they can. I just get laughed at.

sage

[StarryNite]

51. I've been on board with that too.

If he looses a few of the younger cultists, well, that's just collateral damage.

[soldierant]

37. Some things are "overdetermined."

In other words, there are multiple causes, when any one of the causes would have been sufficient in itself.

This is overdetermined.

At this point the "why" is less important that the fighting of it.

[bucolic_frolic]

39. A weakened, confused, abused, fearful, sick populace

might reelect Donald, or it might enable Donald to void or cancel the election. A weak America is a win for Putin. He doesn't want our environmental regulations, freedoms and civil rights, rule of law, strong military. They hamper his style.

I think Donnie's COVID incompetence is genuine though.

Ironically if he had taken the proper steps to shutdown in February, and trace and quarantine, we would have no cases, the economy would be humming, and Trump would be a hero.

[uponit7771]

40. K&R, After Benedict Donald's Baghdad Bob presser yesterday this is very plausible

[SCantiGOP]

41. no rec

Is this the paranoia forum?

[uponit7771]

46. Right, Trump deserves the benefit of the doubt... REALLY ?!

[StarryNite]

54. Yeah, because it's not like putin hasn't already put a bounty on our soldiers.

And it's not like Covid tRump didn't know about the bounty, yet he did absolutely nothing except to keep talking to putin as if they were best buds. Oh, yeah and lets not forget how he stood back and did nothing about Covid in the beginning when it would have made a huge difference. Initially he tried to play it off as a hoax by the Democrats. Then he said it would just disappear. Even after our highest number of confirmed cases hit a record of over 50,000 a couple of days ago, he's saying how great we're doing and it will just go away. To me it's a lot stranger that anyone would not even take what the op said into consideration. Now let's see how many of his cultist spreaders attend his 4th of July festivities even after knowing some of his Secret Service people were infected at the church rally in Phoenix. Enjoy the fireworks, great photo op.
No social distancing and no masks required. We're living and dying in the Twilight Zone.

[uponit7771]

55. +1, Trump is the most publicly servile human to another human I've ever seen outside of small child

[SCantiGOP]

58. Has nothing to do with Trump

My response was based on the complete absurdity of the proposition in the original post.

[KWR65]

47. Conspiracy theory n/t

[uponit7771]

56. Right, we should give Captain Clorox the benefit of the doubt he's earned it by golly

[yuiyoshida]

50. Maybe

Who knows

[NYETNYET]

52. As much as tRUMP likes money

Odds are pretty good he'd try to collect the bounty....

[Trueblue Texan]

53. I admit...

I have at times wondered this myself...but it just doesn't make sense. But neither does it make sense that he puts his own supporters at such risk for Covid-19 infection.

But it has also hit plenty of others.

[uponit7771]

57. I don't see he's putting the volume of his supporters at risk like PoC are dying. I wish I knew the

... %'s

Killing the people who'll vote against you is an easy way to win an election and folk who scream conspiracy theory still give President Pinesol the benefit of the doubt.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

59. plus 1

[raccoon]

60. Not sure if I agree, but it certainly looks that way. Nt

[dansolo]

61. Putin doesn't need to order Trump to do anything

He just whispers in his ear and Donnie goes along willingly. Trump is easily manipulated, and Putin knows exactly how to get Trump to do what he wants. He flatters him, and makes grand promises about Trump could be just like him. He can rely on Trump's greed and envy to guide him. Threats would be completely unnecessary.