Speculation. BunkerBoi has tested positive

[Boxerfan]

And is asymptomatic.

That is the only way he would be so careless about masks and having campaign rallies, he knows he is immune.

[soothsayer]

1. Nope

He continues to freak out when the virus draws near

[Nature Man]

2. I think most people are positive

and asymptomatic.

I just assume everyone has it.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

10. No. It has been studied and there are a few populations with as much as 20% infected (most asympto)

However it would be false and wrong to say most people are positive. You do not have credible evidence for that. Period.

It would also be rather unethical to spread your belief since it would create false security about so-called "herd immunity" and people would needlessly get infected and die.

[Nature Man]

13. Good for you.

YAY!

[llashram]

20. this

[better]

23. I applaud your diligence in confronting potentially dangerous narratives...

But it does seem warranted to parse positions like this a little more deeply. Admittedly, that's a little difficult in response to such a short statement, but it is possible.

You are right that it would be unethical to spread belief in herd immunity, but immune and asymptomatic are not, in fact, the same thing, or even anywhere close, and there is in fact considerable merit to operating on the belief that everyone has it, at least in terms of employing the appropriate precautions any time you are in proximity to any other person.

The difference between carrying the virus but not (yet, we should remember the gestation period) being symptomatic and being immune is a VERY big deal. Especially for a virus of which for many the symptoms may be so mild as to go unnoticed or mistaken for an everyday run of the mill chest cold, and especially during allergy season.

I don't see any evidence here that NatureMan is operating in bad faith or with any intentional negligence, so this seems like a good scenario for us to work together on helping craft a more wholly accurate and responsible understanding of this pandemic, while avoiding any sense of condemnation that is not entirely warranted.

In short, I believe the post to which you are responding merits augmentation, not repudiation.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

26. Your post is carefully considered & balanced. I agree, I don't think NatureMan was in bad faith. .nt

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

15. As Bernardo LaPaz say, only a small percentage of people

have it or have had it at this point.

However, in terms of your own behavior, assuming that most people are positive and asymptomatic is not a bad way to go.

[Midnight Writer]

29. It's like defensive driving. Always watch out for the other guy.

[Quixote1818]

18. In most states less than 5% of the population has been exposed

Indiana did a pretty big study on this:

[LeftInTX]

24. This if from May 22

The percentage has gone up....Probably estimates I believe are about 20%, but no one really knows.

[Quixote1818]

30. Good point, however they think actual numbers are about 10 times

Higher than the testing shows. That would only be about 30 million out of 330 million. So probably only around 8%

[Rorey]

3. I think the conclusion is that immunity is short-lived

Well, I guess there are no actual conclusions yet because the scientists are still figuring things out, but people shouldn't count on immunity.

[Laelth]

7. +1

I have seen two studies confirming this proposition. Much like the common cold, post-infection immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is short-lived—perhaps as little as two months.

If this is true, a vaccine will be functionally useless.

-Laelth

[Wellstone ruled]

12. You pretty much

explained what is happening. Bio logic's will Mutate and become less toxic or more toxic depending on environments.

Best guess is,Trump is receiving Plasma Therapy.

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. These studies are on small samples, with no peer reviews, and "confirm" nothing

They only suggest an unproven hypothesis- that’s how science works.

[Laelth]

17. You're right, of course.

But, at this point, they’re all we have. It would be foolish to dismiss them out of hand.

-Laelth

[Fiendish Thingy]

27. That's how science works- these studies aren't considered "evidence" until they are confirmed nt

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

21. I have read that the colds caused by corona viruses,

don't leave lasting immunity. I am somewhat skeptical of that claim, in that in my later years (I'm 71 now) I rarely get a cold. In the past ten years I doubt I've gotten more than three.

Here's the breakdown of causes of colds:

rhinoviruses - 10%-40%
coronaviruses 20%
RSV and parainfluenza 20%

The rest they're not as sure of, but from a variety of viruses.

My source: https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/cold-guide/common_cold_causes

I have read various figures, but at a minimum there are several hundred different viruses that cause colds. The above site says 200. I've usually seen much larger numbers. And even if you get lasting immunity from whatever virus caused your most recent one, that's why people continue to get them throughout their lives.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

9. No it is NOT the conclusion

No. What has been found is that some people tested for antibodies had diminished (or absent?) antibodies a couple of months later.

There are many parts to the immune system, and a person can mount an immune response even if there are not antibodies detected.

So, there is data on antibodies, BUT NOT YET data on immunity, which is harder to verify since deliberately attempting to infect people is difficult to pass by ethical review.

[Quixote1818]

22. I wish I could find more data on how long people are immune to a single strain of cold

Looks like you are immune for a while but I don't see anything specific in any websites I have looked up. Generally people don't get the same strain of cold twice. There are hundreds out there and this article says you will have immunity for awhile to the strain you got. I would assume Covid would be similar in the body.

https://flucamp.com/catching-the-same-cold-twice-fact-or-myth/

[TreasonousBastard]

4. Possibly, but I think stupidity and arrogance are the controlling factors.

[malaise]

5. There is no way he is immune

No way

[Maeve]

6. No, he believes he can think himself immune

He freaks when reality intrudes, but he tries to convince himself that strong people don't get sick and he's STRONG
He's an ass and believes in the power of positive thinking to keep away germs

[patricia92243]

8. this was also my thoughts, Too bad.

[Mariana]

11. I doubt it. He would never keep his mouth shut if he did.

He couldn't resist bragging how tough he is, if he had it and it didn't make him sick. He's careless because he's stupid.

[spanone]

14. bet the white house is off limits to junior and his girlfriend

[Ms. Toad]

19. No one, even those who have had full-blown, almost died, cases

can KNOW they are immune.

Science has not yet established that antibodies create immunity from future infections, or how long antibodies last even if they do create immunity.

[fleur-de-lisa]

25. And Typhoid Trumpy is a super spreader.

[JCMach1]

28. Pence and Trump get antibodies

Bank on it