I hope someone does some fact checking of Florida

[captain queeg]

Their numbers are skyrocketing over 11,000 new cases today already. But only 17 deaths. I know death rates are dropping as treatments improve and death numbers lag case numbers, but sure sounds sketchy to me. They’ve been up around 10k for several days and high thousands for days before.

[RandySF]

1. They don't count out-of-state residents.

[bluestarone]

2. I would add South Dakota here too!

I really believe they are hiding numbers like crazy!! My opinion of course!

[Phoenix61]

3. Not surprising. A lot of the individuals who

die are hospitalized for weeks. It may be 3 weeks before the deaths spikes show up for these cases.

[LizBeth]

4. There are a couple other things to pay attention to. I look at previous deaths in past comparing

pneumonia and another one, like unknown death or something. Others know the category. But they are so out of the norm, you figure a lot of the deaths are going on that.

[soothsayer]

5. Deaths are a lagging indicator

[Massacure]

16. This. We are going to see a death spike in two or three weeks.

[lpbk2713]

6. I've read the daily stats are as much as two weeks behind the actual figures.

And the figures are climbing steadily. So there's a very good likelihood it's a lot worse than we have been told.

[ananda]

7. Florida is listing a lot of CV deaths as pneumonia.

nt

[ProfessorGAC]

10. It Appears Most!

There was an article here several days ago.
Florida had 4,600+ pneumonia deaths 2015-2019. Total! An average of around 930 per year.
This year, as of June 15 (IIRC) there were almost 5,100. In under 6 months.
The actuaries and financial staff at big insurance companies are running with their hair on fire.
Not only has COVID caused massive death (life insurance payouts) above the "unanticipated death" estimates, but the claims exceed those due to COVID by around 25%.
So, they unanticipated deaths in the unanticipated category.
Those models are the basis of profit & cash flow in those companies' managing of revolving line of credit money.
When they're this far off, the shock waves run through the whole industry.

[sheshe2]

11. He also said...

Nursing home deaths and prison deaths are being handled by his office.

A NUMBERS GAME
Reluctantly, under pressure, Florida disclosed COVID-19 data. What the numbers tell us

snip

The administration of Gov. Ron DeSantis has boasted of its transparency with data. But in addition to withholding important information on deaths and infections at nursing homes and deaths at specific state prisons for weeks on end, the state continues to withhold information about Florida’s testing backlog and has not publicly disclosed when early cases began appearing in the state.

David Bruns, spokesman for AARP of Florida, said data gaps about long-term care facilities, and the state’s failure to acknowledge them, have real impact on families. But, he said, the state had come “a very considerable distance’’ from where it started.

snip

TESTING
Testing data provided by the state is opaque. Florida does not provide information on backlogs from private labs, which analyze 90 percent of the tests. (The Herald reported on a massive state backlog in April.) Health experts say this distorts the daily count and undermines efforts to promptly detect community spread of the virus.

MORE https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243195161.html

Sorry, way to much info for me to post. Must read...DeSantis is faking the numbers.

[ProfessorGAC]

12. Quite Obviously

But, one can damn a creek with logs.
A tidal wave, not so much.

[sheshe2]

13. I will settle for a blue wave.

[ProfessorGAC]

14. Well Played! (nt)

[dchill]

8. Fudge.

[Baitball Blogger]

9. We had three deaths, just in Seminole County yesterday.

[Indykatie]

15. I Read That Their Pneumonia Deaths are 5000 More Than Same Period for 2019

I can't remember what paper/article it was in though. I have long suspected that FL and TX's death counts were being fudged. It'd be easy to do if you require a specific CV-19 diagnosis in order to be included in the count. NY counted some other deaths even though no COVID test had been done if other symptoms had been reported.

[soothsayer]

17. Ok that's where they're hiding them

We nyc originally thought they had a pneumonia problem, until....

[blitzen]

18. They have granted themselves the privilege of not reporting on weekends and holidays...

This Wed, Thurs, and Friday they averaged about 70 deaths per day. Those numbers are still fudged, I'd say, but not as much as their weekend numbers.

[Dreampuff]

19. Remember

The gal who set up the information site for Florida who was fired supposedly for not fudging the numbers when the state started opening? It's possible they found someone to take over her position who will lie about the cases and the deaths. The death rate is also much higher in reported since there was an issue with counting Nursing Home deaths and the orange man said states don't have to worry about counting those deaths before May 6th. All is well though. DeSantis has figured out a way to start bringing those numbers. One of the largest testing sites in my area is closed down for a 3-day weekend. This comes while people are sick and begging for tests and being turned away after waiting in line for hours. My guess is that other sites have been shut down for the long weekend, too.

[captain queeg]

20. I remember when thAt woman got canned for not fudging the numbers.

Also remember the governor saying he wouldn’t count non residents. And many in old folks homes are non residents. I’d think if you weren’t worried about a drivers license you wouldn’t be in a hurry to change your residency. But you’d think those who wanted to vote would do it And historically the old people tended to vote republican at least in recent times. That might be an angle for some reporter to check.