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Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:05 PM

In 500 years, what will we be condemned for?

In particular I'm wondering about things that most people view today accept as "that's the way it is".

Of course, this is based on an assumption we will be more civilized in 500 years, compared to today. And that our civilization will exist in an organized form.

I am imagining that in 2520, people might marvel how 21st century governments, and their leaders, were so tolerant of great quality of life inequality in their countries, and the even greater inequalities between countries. Genocides continues to occur, and the western counties barely notice.

How about farmers who raised animals for food?

Fisherman?


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Reply In 500 years, what will we be condemned for? (Original post)
Steelrolled Jul 2020 OP
Sanity Claws Jul 2020 #1
John Ludi Jul 2020 #2
MineralMan Jul 2020 #3
Steelrolled Jul 2020 #12
Polybius Jul 2020 #28
Newest Reality Jul 2020 #4
erronis Jul 2020 #13
CTyankee Jul 2020 #5
NutmegYankee Jul 2020 #6
Johnny2X2X Jul 2020 #7
SiliconValley_Dem Jul 2020 #8
LanternWaste Jul 2020 #9
Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #10
ansible Jul 2020 #11
Takket Jul 2020 #14
erronis Jul 2020 #15
Steelrolled Jul 2020 #19
cilla4progress Jul 2020 #16
Dukkha Jul 2020 #17
Lars39 Jul 2020 #18
CrispyQ Jul 2020 #20
Iggo Jul 2020 #21
WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #22
madinmaryland Jul 2020 #23
Calculating Jul 2020 #24
Raine Jul 2020 #25
milestogo Jul 2020 #26
creeksneakers2 Jul 2020 #27
JI7 Jul 2020 #29
Steelrolled Jul 2020 #30
eShirl Jul 2020 #31
hunter Jul 2020 #32

Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:09 PM

1. It's just business

Having disregard for the effect of business decisions on the Earth and on other human beings because it's just business.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:11 PM

2. The ruling cockroaches

will just think we were idiots altogether. They will miss our wasteful consumption habits, however.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:14 PM

3. 500 Years Is Too Long a Time Period.

What do you know about what happened in 1520, for example. I know virtually nothing about that history.

In 500 years, what happened in 2020 will not be of interest to anyone at all. Too many generations will have passed, and society will be very different than it is now, assuming that human society still exists. It probably will, but if you think about 1550 and what you know of that time period, it will be about the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1520

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:41 PM

12. I picked 500 years since that is the amount of time since Columbus

and he is a hot topic these days.

I think there was little controversy about Columbus (on whole, among the general US population) until recent decades. I think that in 1992 (500th anniversary) there was some controversy, but there were a lot of Columbus-positive events.

I guess it is also somewhat recent that Washington and Jefferson became controversial - I believe I learned in school that Washington owned slaves, but it was presented as just an ironic fact, and not a major fault in his character.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:33 AM

28. I'm all but certain 2020 will be remembered by all

It will be know as the year of Covid-19. We still talk about the Spanish Flu and the Black Plague.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:18 PM

4. Wow. That's a very optimistic question.

What will the immortal trillionaire cyborgs be thinking as they hunt any remaining, primitive humans for sport?

Or we could wonder about how the vast, hive-mind of the singularity consciousness that nobody can even being to imagine or understand will frame the past for archival purposes.

It is also highly unlikely that the cockroaches and various small organisms that live in the aftermath of total climate devastation will become intelligent enough to reflect on the past as they struggle to survive on a heavily polluted, chaotic, hot rock that is sputtering its last gasp of viability.

I see the potential for a legacy that is a total, global wasteland with continuous, violent and endless storms and extremely high winds, partially flooded continents, dead oceans and nobody there to see it or hear it.

Does the charred tree that falls in the burned-out forest make a sound if there is nobody there to hear it?

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:46 PM

13. Ok. I'm going to have to take a good amount of quality time to digest your response. Bravo!

So many competing items. The last one is particularly apt. (See "The Overstory"

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:20 PM

5. Our unrelieved racism against black and brown people.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:21 PM

6. Global Warming. Full Stop.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:24 PM

7. The way we treat animals now will be abhorrent in 50 years

Factory farming will be appalling to Americans in a few generations. The pain and suffering billions of animals endure unnecessarily to corporations can be more profitable will be recognized as evil.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:24 PM

8. i sure hope they make significant progress from our days

 

and I will be sure they should judge us for our bad behavior.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:27 PM

9. My guess (more a hope) would be our rationalization of greed and materialism...

at the expense of others as part and parcel of A Way of Life will be something to be mocked.

I also hope humanity reaches the stage when we look back with absurdity at our reliance on the imaginary to order our lives. For example, red and blue lines on a map indicating the status of human existence; the daily (if not hourly) decisions of both impact and consequence based wholly on the imaginary constructs of economics and governance, etc.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:31 PM

10. Species loss, especially species lost to climate change. . . . nt

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:33 PM

11. We'll be lucky if there's even a civilization still left to care 500 years from now

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:48 PM

14. driving cars

eating meat

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 12:54 PM

15. In spite of the anti-science hatred in these people, we're in the middle of a exceptional growth

of ability to explore our physical (and mental) worlds. Our abilities to look deeper into the makeup of matter as well as understanding the depths and origins of space and time have increased incredibly in the last 10-20 years.

Many people are afraid of the new - what they don't know and perhaps can't try to learn.

My biggest fear is that these advances in science, medicine will be destroyed by a march back to the middle ages.

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Response to erronis (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 01:16 PM

19. I appreciate your take

I am also excited the explosion in knowledge about DNA and how life works. I just wish (I think) I could live to see the culmination of it.

I agree the conspiracy theories (not just medicine but stuff like 5G) are disturbing.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 01:03 PM

16. Our ignorance and rejection

of indigenous wisdom.

The true survivors.

Surpassed only in populousness - population numbers - and technology turned to genocidal purposes. Dominated and obliterated by the perversion of the message of a true anti-authoritarian, can I say, anti-fascist? - JC himself.

Brought us to this moment.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 01:07 PM

17. The Anthropocene extinction

The great pacific garbage patch
Ignoring climate change despite the overwhelming evidence
Making people pay for basic healthcare
Making people spend their entire lives working
factory farming

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 01:07 PM

18. Inhumane prison system

School to prison pipeline, parole profiteering.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 01:19 PM

20. It's gonna be a long list, but here's my top five.

#1 - Ignoring climate change.
#2 - Ignoring over-population and the importance of sustainability.
#3 - Treating our fellow inhabitants on this planet like commodities, with total disregard and disdain for their well-being and their rightful place in our natural environment.
#4 - Creating economies based on consumerism and razing our planet's natural resources for cheap goods.
#5 - Treating our planet like a garbage can.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 01:30 PM

21. Same thing the German people of the 1930s are condemned for.

And it’ll be their world, so it doesn’t matter what we think.

EDIT: I wanna change my answer to CrispyQ’s. I was thinking way too small...lol.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 01:45 PM

22. Cops and incarceration.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 03:07 PM

23. Apes will rule the world. Humans will have lost the ability to speak. Otherwise...

We will be eating soylent green.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 03:20 PM

24. At the rate we're going we'll be lucky if we're not living in mad max world by then

Too many things are pushed into the redline right now and waiting to break. I expect climate change will be what finally wrecks most of civilization as it will lead to the next world war as whole countries fight over resources/mass migrations.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 03:38 PM

25. Eating animals and all the other cruel things that people do to them now. nt

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 03:41 PM

26. Facebook and Twitter.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2020, 06:18 PM

27. Species extinction

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:36 AM

29. That all depends on what happens in the next 500 years

maybe the next 50 years instead of 500 might be easier to answer.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #29)

Mon Jul 6, 2020, 08:23 AM

30. I chose 500 years

due to the Columbus status controversy. I was looking for things for which we today think "that's just the way the world works" but in 500 years they would view us as evil bastards. It's hard to answer because we generally don't think we are evil bastards, but as shown by the Columbus statue (and other historical figures) standards change.

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2020, 08:31 AM

31. ruining the climate

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Response to Steelrolled (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2020, 09:43 AM

32. The Cult of Money.

It will be inconceivable that anyone had miserable jobs that did not make the world a better place, and that so many people, most of the world in fact, lived in poverty without healthy food, safe comfortable shelter, and little or no access to appropriate medical care.

Nobody living in our time, wealthy or poor, will be memorialized. We will all be scorned for mindlessly destroying our natural world.

The heroes 500 years from now will be those who ended the churches and the banks.

This is one of my favorite DU threads ever, by undergroundpanther:

do we really need a money system?
I'm gonna say this,and I know some will think I'm crazy, but all I ask of you, is to try to look beyond this money system and into another way of being..


I think the world doesn't even need a monetary system .
And I think it would be far better off without one. really.

No need for money no need for the evil that comes from it.

--more--

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10022920665


Imagine...



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