'It's hard to defend the president': Warning signs flash for Trump in Wisconsin

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Dennis Boyer, a former lawyer who retired years ago to his farm in southwestern Wisconsin, says there's no question whom he and many people he's talking to are voting for in November: It's Joe Biden.

Boyer, a self-described independent voter who said he didn't vote for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton in 2016, said the coronavirus pandemic — despite not being as virulent in the state as in many others — has "really exposed problems that pretty much connect to everything," to the point that "voters of all stripes here really have a reason to oppose Donald Trump."

"It's a convergence of all the big issues of our time: health care, race, inequality. Even basic decency and human dignity. I think it's really activating a lot of people here and certainly activating a lot of people who weren't terribly active here in 2016," said Boyer, who does remote part-time work with a nonpartisan nonprofit that promotes civic engagement through conversation.

"Almost any way you cut it, it's hard to defend the president," he said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/its-hard-to-defend-the-president-warning-signs-flash-for-trump-in-wisconsin/ar-BB16lVgD?li=BBnb7Kz

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Direct link:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/warning-signs-flash-trump-wisconsin-pandemic-response-fuels-disapproval-n1232646

[NurseJackie]

3. Thank you!

[Blecht]

2. It's hard to listen to a dolt like this

Even if he's right this one time.

"Boyer, a self-described independent voter who said he didn't vote for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton in 2016,"


It's your fault, Boyer, you fucking jackass!

[Midnight Writer]

4. Yes, it's like listening to someone who fouled the swimming pool complaining about the mess.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

5. Dislike people like this

They give Independents a bad name.

Independents who vote are powerful (independents who voted for trump are not independent they are trolls, anyone who could not see what a failure he is as person, was not looking at all!!!)

Independents who do not vote are useless

Prove it in the voting booth...

[BComplex]

6. I totally disagree with that.

There were a lot of democrats who stayed home rather than vote for Hillary Clinton. She would have been light years better than Donald Trump, but we would have been tied up in Hillary investigations for 4 years even through the pandemic. We would not have been able to get anything done, and we may not have taken the house in 2018.

If a party wants people to vote, they need to put up a candidate that people are in love with. That's why I don't want Kamala Harris for VP. She's not someone the whole democratic country can fall in love with. She didn't do that well in the primary because of that.

[Tommymac]

8. That is your opinion.

And my opinion is that you are wrong. Totally.

If someone calls themself a Democrat and did not vote for Hillary in Nov 16 SHAME ON THEM. They are part of the reason we are in this mess today.

Bernie was my first choice back then...but I showed up and I VOTED FOR HILLARY. There was never a question.

People can live through investigations.

And the Pandemic would not have crippled Our Country if we had had a responsible adult in the White House.

As far as Kamala goes - I love her. And if any Democrat stays home because of her, or any choice for VP Joe makes - I say they are not a Democrat. Simple as that.

[BComplex]

14. You can judge them and call them names all you want to, but look at the numbers. Many registered

democrats stayed home and/or did not vote for Hillary. I'm not saying it's right or wrong or stupid or even sane. I'm saying it happened. And that kind of thing DOES happen. Putting our heads in the sand and calling names doesn't fix the problem.

If the party pushes a candidate that is not wildly popular, it does not excite the base. If the base is not excited, many (not all, and not even a majority, but many) will not vote....unless, of course, the incumbent on the other team is the Cheeto in Chief. Then people will probably vote who never voted in their lives.

[Rhiannon12866]

9. I've long thought she would make an excellent AG

Which we desperately need.

[Silent3]

10. People who need a candidate they are "in love with" need to grow the fuck up

Of course, it's good party politics to pick a candidate that the most people can fall in love with, to generate enthusiasm, sure, but it's still a damning indictment of the immaturity and ignorance and vanity of a large portion of the population if that's what it takes to get to do the right thing and vote for the good of the country.

[BComplex]

12. We're talking about the USA, where 45 million people watch fox propaganda, and formerly watched

the Cheeto in Chief while he got a hard on telling people "you're fired". This country runs on marketing, and UNTIL THAT CHANGES, if you want to win an election, you need to take that into consideration. Someday I hope we will reinstate REAL education in this country, including on television and social media, and where being stupid isn't acceptable and popular.

[Awsi Dooger]

13. May not have taken the House in 2018?

With Hillary at president we'd probably have a 90 seat deficit in the House. Our senate numbers would be 5-8 lower.

No question about it. Situational influence is forever understated, not overstated. Republicans would have been so fever pitched furious at Hillary becoming president they would have done everything to undermine her presidency. She would have been under constant investigation. Trump would have been leading the way with a barrage of daily accusatory tweets. Those swing suburban voters moved our way due to distaste of Trump. It would not have happened with Hillary in office. People tend to get tired of the same party holding the White House several terms in a row.

I'd sign up for that without hesitation, compared to where we are.

[Tetrachloride]

7. Southwestern Western Wisconsin is part of the geographic region called The Driftless Area

where the Ice Age glaciers did not cover. Lots of valleys and streams.

I used to travel daily in parts of that region for work until 18 months ago.

Politics never came up. But manners did.

[Scruffy1]

11. I keep seeing anecdotal stories like this all over the place.

The fact is that the poll numbers for likely voters hasn't changed much. Five Thirty Eight still has it about 40.7 per cent disapproval. and nothing he does makes it go lower. I also think that the stories of being harassed for wearing a mask are related to this. his voters are still hanging on to the state of denial and that is why they are lashing out at people. I think that in the end it was not normal voters that got him elected. It was the normally apathetic ones who usually don't vote. They might change their minds by November but I suspect that a lot of them won't go to the polls at all.

[yellowdogintexas]

16. every damn day my husband goes off for at least 5 minutes over Five Thirty Eight.

The 40 % approval rate is driving him absolutely nuts. I just grind my teeth and hope they are wrong

[Cha]

15. Ya think? The Treasonous Murderous Lying ASSFACE?!