Something occurred to me, even if Biden wins...Putin still wins.

[Xolodno]

His goal was to get Hillary tied up in domestic affairs due to a near loss to a dumb ass, while he ran the international gambit. His unofficial interference paid massive dividends that he never expected. So he probably doesn't give a rats ass who wins at this point, because;

1. Biden is going to be tied up on domestic affairs, undoing the damage Trump did.

2. Biden has to repair long decades relationships because of one fuck up. And some of that won't be salvageable.

Long story short, Biden has unenviable task to get us back to where we were before Trump took us on this mad ride.

Meanwhile, Putin is going to run the table on Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Ukraine, Belarus, etc. And who else knows what he plans to pull in his orbit.

[uponit7771]

1. Unnnn, as long as he doesn't make the mistake of ... NOT ... labeling the Trump admin he'll be OK

It needs to be labeled because human behavior science is humans will forget come better times.

Call the Trump times the terrirbles

[Xolodno]

4. I'm not sure that will work.

Every nation from now on is going to point out, we elected a dumb ass. And not just your typical dumb ass, a really special type of dumb ass. Bush pulled us out of one treaty, this dumb ass pulled us out of several, and they will remind any elected leader of that and it cheapens our promises. It's going to be a long hard road back.

[Beartracks]

8. Who's going to trust a nation who's next dumbass can just cancel out of everything?

Trump has made the United States unreliable.

And because we put this major dumbass in office this time, there's no reason for other nations to think we wouldn't or couldn't do it again.

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[PSPS]

10. Can be fixed by stripping the office of president of the powers lazily conferred to it by congress

Over the years, congress has had the habit of abdicating many of its roles and duties to the president, and this needs to be undone. I can't see our being able to avoid another catastrophe like this without doing that. This isn't supposed to be a monarchy. We can't allow "rule by fiat" (executive orders, signing statements, tweets, etc.,) to be possible anymore.

[Salviati]

15. Agreed

And I have heard some things from Biden to suggest that this is definitely on his mind. And, God forbid, we don't take the senate back, it is one thing that there might be some cooperation with them possible, but I'd much rather it being a united Democratic front dismantling the imperial presidency.

There definitely need to be things that are a lot more codified now, that we can no longer leave it up to tradition to regulate.

[Xolodno]

17. The whole reason they did this...

...was because they didn't want to make difficult decisions. So send the hard decisions to the executive as a proxy. Done on purpose so they had the tag line, "the President did it, I would have voted against it if I had the power to do so". Fucking cowards.

[Hoyt]

2. Probably true, but it's time to start repairing damage. Biden can quickly

repair international damage in Europe and Asia, perhaps South America. Middle East was a mess long before trump, and we need to get off oil and get out of that region.

[Xolodno]

16. Quickly start repairing is one thing...

...achieving the trust we had is another.

We've become the cheating "Ex"....and its not lost on me on how it relates to Trump. Yes, sometimes those relationships can be repaired and decorum of friendliness can be achieved, but its never the same. On top of it, France has already signaled they could do without NATO with its own EU army.

Bush's drunken NATO inclusion of every country they could grab...even forcing a couple that weren't exactly keen on joining...has made the alliance a lot weaker. (side note, Bolton's book criticizes the climate deal because there is not enough function to enforce it...then bitches and moans about other treaties because there is enough functions to enforcement...this guy is a one dimensional thinker). So why should a French soldier defend another nation if its corrupt, doesn't hold its own, backwards, etc.

And the worst part, with Trump, NATO now knows there is a significant majority in the US that wants to end the treaty. Something unheard of 30 years ago.

As for the Mid-east, Britain and France need to own up to the mess they created. They purposely drew the border lines to encourage friction in those countries, just so they wouldn't fight the colonial powers as much. Yemen needs to be divided into two, just like Libya. Iraq is really three nations, etc.

I remember while I was in Venice during the first day of Carnivale, we were talking to a British couple and they thought Obama should have stepped up more on Libya. Flat out told him, the US appetite in the Mid East for all intents and purposes is gone, the general public wants nothing to do with it anymore. He responded by saying so its is in the UK, but we all have a responsibility. I didn't say anything after that, it was after all, Carnivale...and my next comment saying its a mess Europe created probably would dampen the mood.

And once we are no longer dependent on oil, the Mid East is going to be a shit storm. And as someone who went to college with a lot of Mid-East students who would later return to help run the country....they weren't the brightest.

[Hoyt]

28. Most countries understand trump is an aberration, like Hitler, etc., especially if we trounce him.

[dflprincess]

3. I would hope Biden will appoint a compentent cabinet & other advisors

who will be able to multi-task & track and make repairs to both foreign and domestic policies.

[PSPS]

6. Biden has a very deep well of qualified patriots waiting in the wings who are anxious to help.

[2naSalit]

7. Probably he'll

issue a call back of many civil servants to pick up the pieces in all agencies.

[cabot]

14. Susan Rice would make a great Secretary of State eom

[applegrove]

5. I think it will be fixed faster than you think. Trump uses the help of

around 10,000 people. Biden will put to good use hundreds of thousands. Millions if he involves the people as much as i think he will.

[elleng]

9. President Biden will NOT forget Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Ukraine, Belarus, etc.,

he will have a strong and accomplished cabinet advising him NO DOUBT, and won't hand the world to putin (as some would want.)

[Xolodno]

18. I'm sure he won't. But he isn't the Silver Surfer...

....thought I was going to say Superman?

In every negotiation, this is going to come up; How do we know your country won't elect another dumb ass? Probably one of the major reasons the Lincoln Project is in play...even if they get a sane Republican in, they are going to be fighting these same issues. Which doesn't help their agenda either.

Reality, the GOP seriously needs to reform its primary process, to make sure they never get a dumb ass again. This will go a long way in helping our relations internationally, when they see real reform. Our allies can't pin their hopes on the Democratic Party winning every single time.

[elleng]

19. repug party has to completely reform,

and I doubt it will happen.

[Thekaspervote]

11. Biden's reprisal of Putin will be swift and thorough. Sanctions, removal of Russia intel from here

Yes, he will be busy with internal affairs... but Biden knows our place is global and it will be a big part of the fix

[wnylib]

21. Remember, too, there are other nations

quite displeased with Putin and will be glad to see him put in his place, perhaps willing to cooperate toward that.

[quickesst]

12. you may be right....

.... all that mess just might be too much for one man to handle.... oh wait. 🤔

[BigmanPigman]

13. Someone has to permanently get rid of that bastard.

He is going to be up to his usual BS until 2036 (he won that one this week). He'll be 84 but that will not slow him down. He must permanently be stopped by someone, anyone.

[roamer65]

23. THIS.

[ansible]

25. Putin has an incredible amount of support from the russian people

Killing him just makes him a martyr

[BigmanPigman]

26. In the article I read about his reelection and the

package of reforms that was tied to it said that couple with kids got paid $141. I figure if they can be bought off that easily than they can be swayed by another person just as easily. Besides, we all know he doesn't really "win" any election fairly. Hillary said so and he got his revenge on her and we got tRump.

"One-off payments of 10,000 roubles ($141) were transferred to those with children at Putin's order as people headed to polling stations on Wednesday, the last day of the vote, held over seven days to try to limit the spread of the virus."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8483027/Putin-hails-triumph-seizes-power-2036-78-Russians-rigged-vote.html

[SiliconValley_Dem]

20. who cares what Putin thinks? I have come to realize over the years

that a better view of government and foreign policy is that often the goal is to keep things steady--there are some intractable issues out there which we sometimes make progress with (gay rights, peace in Ireland, legalizing marijuana, rooting out racism, fall of soviet bloc) but far more often government is keeping the wheels from coming off (inflation, unemployment, mideast clashes, etc.)

Biden, should he become our next president, will be able to accomplish quite a lot while still restoring order to our democratic institutions and alliances.

[Beartracks]

22. Yep. He has kneecapped America for a long time. Mission Accomplished. n/t

[Doreen]

24. I think I once he is in that some of our true ally's will open.up to us again.

I think that Merkle will be open to us along with Canada, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, and maybe Australia. I do not know how England would be because of Johnson. Perhaps France? A lot of them worked well with Obama and Biden is for the most part still on the same track.

[Greywing]

27. I think you under-estimate what a competent administration can do ...

we've been so worn down. Get a competent vice president, cabinet, attorney general and Senate it will seem like a miracle that so much can be successfully accomplished.

[CRK7376]

29. Biden has a tough task in front of him...

Unlike the Orange DOTARD, Biden will have well qualified Cabinet members, heads of Departments and Agencies, not to mention the House and Senate to work with......just saying, tough job, but not impossible.