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edhopper

(33,573 posts)
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:24 AM Jul 2020

Why does the media keep pretending that Trump will act in any way but

the Russian compromised, completely corrupt, self serving, ignorant narcissist that he has always be. We saw since he won the election he would never be Presidential or serve the interest of anyone but himself (and Putin).

The truth is self evident, yet this normalization of the abhorrent is causing great harm.

When Biden wins and the deep shit comes out, I don't want to see the media act surprised as if they didn't already know who he was.

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Why does the media keep pretending that Trump will act in any way but (Original Post) edhopper Jul 2020 OP
Institutional Gravitas. n/t Eyeball_Kid Jul 2020 #1
Hope springs eternal. TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #2
Corporate self interest? Newest Reality Jul 2020 #3
Bingo. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #6
. Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2020 #16
is the "deep shit" really going to come out? donnie and the gang will shred *everything* unblock Jul 2020 #4
sadly edhopper Jul 2020 #9
I'm tired of them making excuses for his incoherence Walleye Jul 2020 #5
"Mistruth" and other euphemisms for "fucking lie" need to be outlawed. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #7
Yes! Walleye Jul 2020 #8
+1000 Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #12
Didn't the USSC decide that the media can lie, and pass it off as the truth? Can't outlaw speech... not_the_one Jul 2020 #15
Exactly. Linguistic tricks to soften your perception of the motivation for the lie. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #22
the media will be too busy bashing biden rampartc Jul 2020 #10
Yes. Boomerproud Jul 2020 #14
I don't get it Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #11
They want to maintain the appearance of "neutrality" in reporting. Caliman73 Jul 2020 #13
Yes they do. Wellstone ruled Jul 2020 #17
They operate within a framework dictated by profit, and by the ownership. Caliman73 Jul 2020 #18
So true. Wellstone ruled Jul 2020 #19
The irony is...... MyOwnPeace Jul 2020 #20
They dropped that slogan in 2017. Caliman73 Jul 2020 #21
Brought to you by the folks who gave us "campaign style rallies" chriscan64 Jul 2020 #23

unblock

(52,199 posts)
4. is the "deep shit" really going to come out? donnie and the gang will shred *everything*
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:31 AM
Jul 2020

there will be a few stories about democrats "whining and complaining" about how utterly destroyed various bureaucratic departments were left, and the media will quickly turn to how inept the democrats must be to not instantly run a proper, efficient well-oiled federal machine and instead are "looking backwards" and trying to blame the previous administration.

the media will also insist on remarkably high standards of ethics, disclosure, honesty, integrity, and so on. oh, and nepotism will be once again considered completely unacceptable.

and the media, with a completely straight face, will say nothing about how completely differently they covered the previous 4 years.

Walleye

(31,012 posts)
5. I'm tired of them making excuses for his incoherence
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:32 AM
Jul 2020

And cleaning up the word salads. I think they shouldn’t be allowed to use the words base or frustrated, among others. It’s laziness.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
15. Didn't the USSC decide that the media can lie, and pass it off as the truth? Can't outlaw speech...
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:10 PM
Jul 2020

When they use the "mis" prefix, it implies "mistake", when it is NOT a mistake.

It lessens the obvious fact that they are lying, and is nothing more than an effort to diminish the bold, blatant lie, suggesting that the LIE was an accident, just an error, RATHER than the bold, blatant CALCULATED lie that it is.

The use of the "mis" in these situations, is nothing more than SPIN, where you take what you said, and try to convince everyone it means something else entirely. And that SPIN is just more lies to prop up the original lie.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,407 posts)
11. I don't get it
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:41 AM
Jul 2020

The media has consistently operated on this bizarre belief that the Presidency would make a better person out of Trump and/or that he would be able to grow into the job once elected and that he would listen to his advisors and make more sensible decisions (i.e. "Pivot&quot . Not only has this not happened, he has gotten worse every day since he was elected to where we are now- and yet some of them think that there is still hope that he will be able to turn around his flagging and flailing campaign to where he can win re-election, a literally unthinkable prospect. While I have never realistically believed that Trump could be anything other than who he is, it has not stopped me from occasionally holding my breath to see if it is possible for the media, spin doctors, etc. to somehow polish him up enough to keep him electable nonetheless.

Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
13. They want to maintain the appearance of "neutrality" in reporting.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:44 AM
Jul 2020

Fact and honesty are far more important in my opinion, but there has been decades of outcry from the right wingers that the news is biased toward "liberal" ideology. Right wingers have created the myth that there are two equal sides that are in argument and that reporting "one side" and not the other is bias when the reality is that the media is reporting information, narratives, and outcomes. The right wing wants to push ideology and spin information to promote their point of view, while the information that is typically reported contradicts their ideas.

Trump is the extreme, but natural end point of conservative politics, corrupt, self-dealing, "strongmen" who try to eliminate democratic institutions because they do not typically comport themselves in a way that aid the taking of all power and resources by one person or small group of people.

The media try to normalize his behavior because they operate within a system where they are expected to be "balanced" rather than honest about what they are reporting.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
17. Yes they do.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:12 PM
Jul 2020

But,their reporting is and always has been for several decades bias to the Conservative Corporate Master Class.

Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
18. They operate within a framework dictated by profit, and by the ownership.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:20 PM
Jul 2020

I think that journalists want to report what they find. But as the ownership of media is concentrated into fewer hands and into a corporate, profit making structure, that independence is limited.

They are not allowed to report on scandal within their corporate structures. They are also not allowed to stray too far from information that normalizes the corporate structure and capitalism as the "best and only" system that we should live under.

Groups like BLM that seek to change the paradigm for law enforcement are met with suspicion.

The idea that tax breaks for the wealthy are a good thing also seems to be off limits.

The most pernicious thing however, is still the idea that right and left are just two equal sides to the same coin and that both operate on good faith and with valid arguments.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
19. So true.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:31 PM
Jul 2020

As a college friend said when he was first hired at the St Louis Post Dispatch. I can dig up some great human interest or scandal news,but,my assignment Desk Guy calls the shots.

So he transferred to the Sports Desk,as he said,best use of his talents anyway. Used to drive me nuts with all the Figures and Stats he had in his Skull even when we were kids.

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
20. The irony is......
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:43 PM
Jul 2020

the one that makes the claim to be "fair and balanced" is the farthest from either!

Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
21. They dropped that slogan in 2017.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:49 PM
Jul 2020

I guess not even they thought they could keep pulling that crap off.

chriscan64

(1,789 posts)
23. Brought to you by the folks who gave us "campaign style rallies"
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:41 PM
Jul 2020

when Trump had reelection rallies after only a few weeks on the job. Something is wrong and should be reported as so when the first official act is to run for reelection. The inauguration committee became the campaign committee at the party.

I can give a little bit of a pass for early on when reporters were on their heels not knowing what to make of what they saw. But every story is just another pixel in the same jpeg. They have to be aware of what he is and has always been, and say it plainly.

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