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Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:41 AM Jul 2020

Simon & Schuster just published the back cover of Mary Trump book: "Donald is incapable of growing"




Brian Stelter
@brianstelter

Simon & Schuster just published the back cover of the book – Trump's niece Mary writes, "Today, Donald is much as he was at three years old: incapable of growing, learning, or evolving, unable to regulate his emotions, moderate his responses, or take in & synthesize information."
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Simon & Schuster just published the back cover of Mary Trump book: "Donald is incapable of growing" (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Jul 2020 OP
That is par for narcissists Sanity Claws Jul 2020 #1
no wonder the trump* kids are so messed up samnsara Jul 2020 #2
If those three paragraphs are like the rest of the book, oh boy!!!!!!! winstars Jul 2020 #3
Like a 7 year old at Christmas Mike 03 Jul 2020 #4
Seems sympathetic to him even as it blows his cover. JudyM Jul 2020 #5
Well, you know, he's family. Ya can't pick 'em, so the saying goes... Beartracks Jul 2020 #36
I have lots of sympathy Lulu KC Jul 2020 #40
As you pointed out, not all of them become perpetrators. JudyM Jul 2020 #41
Mine have had a fairly happy ending so far Lulu KC Jul 2020 #44
I've been saying this for ages. he's a child in all respects other than the physical body unblock Jul 2020 #6
So Trump had a shitty childhood. BKDem Jul 2020 #7
Yes, at least he wasn't separated from his family and put in a cage. Bluepinky Jul 2020 #10
I had 2naSalit Jul 2020 #13
Oh my gosh North Shore Chicago Jul 2020 #26
Thanks, it was 2naSalit Jul 2020 #28
this for you bdamomma Jul 2020 #53
Hugs to you. lunatica Jul 2020 #33
This 👆🏼 UpInArms Jul 2020 #16
i had a HORRIBLE childhood. My mom died when I was 13 and I had to do ALL the housework trueblue2007 Jul 2020 #48
I have no pity for him. I_UndergroundPanther Jul 2020 #49
Exactly! If there is one thing that annoys me about this, it is that it is a plea for sympathy for smirkymonkey Jul 2020 #51
hey smirky bdamomma Jul 2020 #55
Hey bdamomma! It's interesting that you say that, because I have always said that his smirkymonkey Jul 2020 #56
Enough talk about rump's faults and wrongdoings. Time to move on and kick this POS... SWBTATTReg Jul 2020 #8
We have that book coming from Amazon, too. MineralMan Jul 2020 #9
Like Father like son ad infinitum. Ivanka, Eric, Don Jr. they are clingy livetohike Jul 2020 #11
This happens... 2naSalit Jul 2020 #30
They are very codependent. Have no autonomy, they just circle around their father. SharonAnn Jul 2020 #38
I plan on reading the ebook version FakeNoose Jul 2020 #12
I only do Audible now. tavernier Jul 2020 #17
Yes I loved audiobooks and Audible membership is a good value FakeNoose Jul 2020 #22
I've been with Audible for quite a few years now tavernier Jul 2020 #32
That's a great idea FakeNoose Jul 2020 #34
I'm glad it is coming, but does anyone really need a tell-all to know dude is batshit craycray?? malchickiwick Jul 2020 #14
I highly recommend the Wolf Hall miniseries (based on the first two books of the trilogy) if you highplainsdem Jul 2020 #21
I have seen it, and agree it was terrific -- thanks! malchickiwick Jul 2020 #24
I love the fact that they're moving up the publication. llmart Jul 2020 #15
Mary Trump isn't the first psychologist to focus on Trump's mother being so ill when he was two. highplainsdem Jul 2020 #18
Nature or Nurture debate into the causes of psychopathy MoonRiver Jul 2020 #19
Nanny? rusty fender Jul 2020 #20
No shit, nothing we don't know and definition of Republicans. And the supporters. LizBeth Jul 2020 #23
Hope she makes the rounds of the talk shows Fiendish Thingy Jul 2020 #25
And those North Shore Chicago Jul 2020 #27
"Donald is incapable of growing"...gee, ya think? Wounded Bear Jul 2020 #29
This kind of information is a gold mine for adversaries to exploit. Baked Potato Jul 2020 #31
They had psychiatrists and other experts on it before he was elected, Hortensis Jul 2020 #42
Yeah, I can see that. Now they really, really know he's damaged goods. Baked Potato Jul 2020 #58
First world problems. n/t Mr.Bill Jul 2020 #35
:) As opposed to...demonic possession elsewhere? Hortensis Jul 2020 #45
Foriegn Adversaries musclecar6 Jul 2020 #37
the orange asshole and his immediate brethren fear Mary Trump because... Javaman Jul 2020 #39
My post from a few weeks passed said almost exactly this Quixote1818 Jul 2020 #43
he grows into a bigger asshole daily Skittles Jul 2020 #46
Amazon just sent me a notice that my book will be delayed - now between 5 & 28 Aug KewlKat Jul 2020 #47
Wow.. baby narcissistic trump balloons don't float for nothing. Cha Jul 2020 #50
I hope this bdamomma Jul 2020 #52
A quote from Stormy Daniels lame54 Jul 2020 #54
"His father, Fred, became his only available parent." I knew he had mommy issues (and daddy too). TheBlackAdder Jul 2020 #57

Sanity Claws

(21,847 posts)
1. That is par for narcissists
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:45 AM
Jul 2020

I knew a narcissist. After a while, I realized that he would never evolve or grow in any way because doing so would be an admission that he was not already perfect.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
4. Like a 7 year old at Christmas
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:47 AM
Jul 2020

I CAN'T WAIT!



This is what the psychiatrists have been saying for the last three years: Trump's personality was solidified at a very early age, the age before one develops empathy, a conscience or curiosity about the world.

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
36. Well, you know, he's family. Ya can't pick 'em, so the saying goes...
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:14 PM
Jul 2020

... but you CAN out them in a book.

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Lulu KC

(2,565 posts)
40. I have lots of sympathy
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 05:15 PM
Jul 2020

for children who suffer from abuse and neglect. I really wish I didn't know so much about this, but it's connected to some people who found their way into my life. Learning about them taught me a lot. I'm not a therapist and I don't play one on TV, but this one is a classic example.

When abused and/or neglected kids grow up, they often perpetuate what was probably a multi-generational pattern. Not all abused and neglected children become perpetrators, but many perpetrators were abused and neglected as children. It's especially dangerous if they come from a privileged background, because the abuse and neglect are hidden and there's an assumption that the kids are fine because they have material comfort. It's unlikely for a teacher or other adult to be that one adult who can make a difference.

Some people can break the cycle and thrive. If it becomes narcissism, I really don't know that it can be reversed. Based on what I've seen, the only crack that can let the light in is if the narcissist somehow experiences just enough deep love for another person, or even an endeavor--art, for example--that opens up them up to some kind of healing and growth.

One thing for sure: Narcissists are terrible leaders. To have one in the White House is enough of a nightmare. Then throw in a daddy figure like Putin?

I actually look forward to reading this book. Not as much as I look forward to voting in November, though!










JudyM

(29,236 posts)
41. As you pointed out, not all of them become perpetrators.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 05:26 PM
Jul 2020

Strength of character, humanistic values can make their way through. One of the benefits of being human is to be able to reflect and improve our lot in life. Trump seems not to be in any sense of this ilk. He is all about self-glorification and childlike petulance and hostility. I feel bad for his empty shell but in no way does that excuse his abjectly evil deeds.

Sorry you had to experience this type of ugliness first hand.

Lulu KC

(2,565 posts)
44. Mine have had a fairly happy ending so far
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 06:00 PM
Jul 2020

They were very lucky, and the world is fortunate because there would have been hell to pay if they had not had the necessary support early enough. It was rough. Someday? A book.

Bluepinky

(2,268 posts)
10. Yes, at least he wasn't separated from his family and put in a cage.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:04 PM
Jul 2020

Other kids have grown up in worse situations, and they don’t turn out to be narcissistic, racist, greedy psychopaths.

2naSalit

(86,579 posts)
13. I had
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:12 PM
Jul 2020

abusive parents who showed no affection, one enslaved me for seven years after he ran my mother off by threatening to kill her as he broke furniture over her back.

I was angry for a couple decades but I found that I would not be accepted in society if I didn't address my anger, which I did. He lacked the capacity from birth, his father only nurtured it.

2naSalit

(86,579 posts)
28. Thanks, it was
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 01:33 PM
Jul 2020

decades ago, I have lots of scars but also a sound sense of what is abuse and what is not. It sucked but I grew up and so did my siblings though not all really "survived" the abuse.

It is a dirty little secret of our society that should be exposed for what it is.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
33. Hugs to you.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:02 PM
Jul 2020

A few people choose the more difficult higher road to take after those experiences. You are definitely one of them.

UpInArms

(51,282 posts)
16. This 👆🏼
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:35 PM
Jul 2020

I have nothing but disgust for the waste of oxygen mouth breathing murderous piece of vomit.

trueblue2007

(17,217 posts)
48. i had a HORRIBLE childhood. My mom died when I was 13 and I had to do ALL the housework
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 07:46 PM
Jul 2020

...... cooking, cleaning, laundry, ironing and taking care of my little sister. I was not even a kid.

I father was an alcoholic and probably was drunk at the wheel in the car accident that killed my dear mother.

I didn't turn out like him. I am a God fearing decent person. TRUMP is evil ..... LIKE .... ANTI-CHRIST evil.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
49. I have no pity for him.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 08:10 PM
Jul 2020

He could have learned what a asshole he became
But chose not to.

I grew up in a horrible childhood but I decided to not become the shithead like my father.

Somewhere in the midst of childhood hell a choice is made. Either to be an asshole like your parents or not to.

Trump chose to be an asshole,then he stopped growing and became a toxic narcissistic sociopath asshole like his daddy.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
51. Exactly! If there is one thing that annoys me about this, it is that it is a plea for sympathy for
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 08:29 PM
Jul 2020

Donald Trump, the innocent little boy. There was never an innocent little boy.

Donald Trump was a sociopath even as a child. He was never a sweet, innocent little one. I believe he was born bad. His parents might have made things worse, but he has had every opportunity along the way to make things better.

However, because of his narcissistic, sociopathic nature, he never once thought that there was anything wrong with him. It was always somebody else's fault. He threw rocks at an infant in his playpen when he was a child. He harassed and bullied other schoolmates, and even teachers. He has been evil since the day he was born. Fuck him. If he was treated badly, he probably deserved it.

He could have grown, he could have used his experience to make things better for himself and others, but no. He chose to subject the rest of humanity to his sick, evil, mental illness and to drag the rest of us down with him. All because nobody has ever loved him enough.

bdamomma

(63,845 posts)
55. hey smirky
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 08:40 PM
Jul 2020

his mother could have contributed to him being messed up too, fetal alcohol syndrome could have done it. His mother had a drinking problem.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
56. Hey bdamomma! It's interesting that you say that, because I have always said that his
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 08:52 PM
Jul 2020

eyes look like the eyes of someone w/ FAS. Of course, it could just be bad plastic surgery, but his visage really looks like someone who was born w/ FAS. He just looks kind of ...off.

Is there actually documentation of his mother's drinking problem? I don't doubt it , since it seems to run in the family (Fred Jr, Don Trump Jr., probably other closet drinkers/drug abusers who are functional), but just wondering if there is certain evidence. Trump is clearly a drug abuser and has an addict's personality, but I suppose a lot of this will come out in Mary's book.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
8. Enough talk about rump's faults and wrongdoings. Time to move on and kick this POS...
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jul 2020

out of office and talk about more adult things in the room, for example, the CV, etc.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
9. We have that book coming from Amazon, too.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jul 2020

I should be done with Bolton's book about the time it arrives. So, I'll probably read that next.

2naSalit

(86,579 posts)
30. This happens...
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 01:35 PM
Jul 2020

My brother is every bit the POS my father taught him to be which was a woman hating, abusive prick.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
12. I plan on reading the ebook version
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:05 PM
Jul 2020

I don't buy hard cover books any more, for a long time now. No room on my bookshelves, and my Amazon Fire holds almost 5 gigabytes on it. I can carry an entire library around with me in my little ebook reader.


tavernier

(12,383 posts)
17. I only do Audible now.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:41 PM
Jul 2020

I have an entire library in my cell phone. I enjoy reading that way because I can do a variety of other things at the same time, like driving, walking, working, jigsaw puzzling, etc. etc.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
22. Yes I loved audiobooks and Audible membership is a good value
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:52 PM
Jul 2020

I'm retired now, but when I was working my commute was 1/2 hour each way. It was a great time to listen to audiobooks - and I really enjoyed my commute!

Now that I'm retired I do very little driving, so I'm back to reading real books again. Still these days, when I do take a long drive I have an audiobook with me.



tavernier

(12,383 posts)
32. I've been with Audible for quite a few years now
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 01:58 PM
Jul 2020

And because they give so many of their original books away, and my entire library is mine to keep forever, if I were to quit right now I’d still have enough reading left for years LOL, because often I didn’t have the chance to finish my monthly purchase. And it sure kills time while I’m trying to burn off those 2 miles every day around the same old walking track in the park, .

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
34. That's a great idea
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:03 PM
Jul 2020

I never considered walking and listening to books. I walk several times a day, but it's only when I take my dog out. We're usually only out for 5 or 10 minutes each time.



malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
14. I'm glad it is coming, but does anyone really need a tell-all to know dude is batshit craycray??
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:29 PM
Jul 2020

Since I'm about 15 percent into the Stand, I'll stick to that for now. And having just finished Mirror and the Light, I have to highly recommend the whole Wolf Hall trilogy to anyone who wants to read about a real political genius.

highplainsdem

(48,975 posts)
21. I highly recommend the Wolf Hall miniseries (based on the first two books of the trilogy) if you
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:52 PM
Jul 2020

haven't seen it.


LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
23. No shit, nothing we don't know and definition of Republicans. And the supporters.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 01:02 PM
Jul 2020

That is why they believe as they do.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
31. This kind of information is a gold mine for adversaries to exploit.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 01:44 PM
Jul 2020

This glimpse into Trumps mind is perfect for foreign spy agencies and leaders to exploit.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
42. They had psychiatrists and other experts on it before he was elected,
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 05:34 PM
Jul 2020

Baked. Only leaders nearly as whacked as he is might not. SOP. National governments study everyone in top decision-making levels. Spy agencies, well, their job is to pick up where local experts leave blanks.

Close to 200 nations of course had this book ordered pre-publication and it will be studied for whatever it might offer but will have few to no surprises. No doubt they also have Yuge!: 30 Years of Doonesbury on Trump in their libraries.


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. :) As opposed to...demonic possession elsewhere?
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 06:02 PM
Jul 2020

Funny thing is, a lot of people right here believe in mysterious occult forces and resist "believing" in personality disorders, which are unfortunately very common. Some for obvious reasons, of course. The rest in spite of over 5 years of watching it play out in their own lives?

Javaman

(62,521 posts)
39. the orange asshole and his immediate brethren fear Mary Trump because...
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:43 PM
Jul 2020

she's the only sane smart one in the family

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
47. Amazon just sent me a notice that my book will be delayed - now between 5 & 28 Aug
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 07:40 PM
Jul 2020

I’m thinking of cancelling...it will be old news by then.

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