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Left wing facists don't exist. (Original Post) Nevilledog Jul 2020 OP
K&R 2naSalit Jul 2020 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author The Mouth Jul 2020 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author 2naSalit Jul 2020 #17
Correct, oops The Mouth Jul 2020 #19
Correct Johnny2X2X Jul 2020 #2
Glad You Clarified That.... global1 Jul 2020 #3
Attributing... Newest Reality Jul 2020 #4
their messaging tactics don't work in a healthy democracy. they work in certainot Jul 2020 #15
True. roamer65 Jul 2020 #5
Doesn't matter. Trump is looking for a name to scare his base with. maxsolomon Jul 2020 #6
Too many syllables for him to pronounce. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #7
He tried to say totalitarian at Mt. Rushmore gratuitous Jul 2020 #9
I wonder who he has writing his speeches? idziak4ever1234 Jul 2020 #8
Almost certainly Stephen Miller The Mouth Jul 2020 #21
this nonsense has been circulating in rightwing whacky world for at least 40 years. Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #10
But, but, everything evil is left wing, isn't it? Wounded Bear Jul 2020 #11
How can we be Antifa (anti-fascist) and Fascist at the same time? cayugafalls Jul 2020 #12
They look in the mirror and think they see the Left. lunatica Jul 2020 #13
Thank you!! This is Poli. Sci. 101. Also, if you're not anti-fascist, you're pro-fascist. malchickiwick Jul 2020 #14
Drumpf is a fascist so he has to accuse Democrats of that, it's what he has always done. lark Jul 2020 #18
Fascism is one party control of the state with capitalist markets The Mouth Jul 2020 #20

Response to 2naSalit (Reply #1)

Response to The Mouth (Reply #16)

Johnny2X2X

(18,973 posts)
2. Correct
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jul 2020

Doesn't mean leftists haven't done some terrible things in history, just that they weren't fascist. Fascism is by definition an ideology of the Right.

global1

(25,225 posts)
3. Glad You Clarified That....
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:01 PM
Jul 2020

When I heard Trump say that I immediately reacted the same way.

By it's very definition - fascism is a 'right wing movement'.


From Wikipedia:

Fascism

Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

Again - Trump - blaming the left for what the right is doing.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
4. Attributing...
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:01 PM
Jul 2020

Attributing the term to the left is yet another Fascist tactic to both take the heat of of recognition and to vilify any opposing forces and then scapegoat them like we see right now.

Fascists are conniving, sneaky and deceptive in that sense. They wrap themselves in flags and hold crosses if they have to, so to speak. Or, in this case wrap themselves around the flag and hold prayer meetings in the Oval Office. Same difference.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
15. their messaging tactics don't work in a healthy democracy. they work in
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:39 PM
Jul 2020

ours because we give the fascist think tanks here and probably in russia a free speech free ride on 1500 coordinated radio stations - those stations will be allowed to define the protests and protestors long after the protestors go home - been happening since reagan killed the fairness doctrine and why protests have to be monumental. and even then the republican politicians can mostly ignore them by pointing to the dominating buzz a few hundred blowhards have been allowed to spew, and it's the dems who the media forces into playing defense

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
5. True.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:02 PM
Jul 2020

There is left wing authoritarianism, but it’s not fascism.

Fascism is the melding together of state and private corporate power.

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
6. Doesn't matter. Trump is looking for a name to scare his base with.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:03 PM
Jul 2020

"Totalitarian" has too many syllables for them to remember. More than they have fingers on 1 hand!

Voltaire2

(12,963 posts)
10. this nonsense has been circulating in rightwing whacky world for at least 40 years.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 01:15 PM
Jul 2020

In order to avoid the obvious fact that the right is chock full of authoritarian ideologies and regimes, they take all of those 'problems' and move them over to the left.

The left of course has its own authoritarian problems, fascism isn't one of them.

cayugafalls

(5,639 posts)
12. How can we be Antifa (anti-fascist) and Fascist at the same time?
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:30 PM
Jul 2020

Dump is merely using the term to confuse his base and give them something to talk about.

Whether it is a real thing or not doesn't matter, they will believe anything, we know that already with Q and other BS they spout. He has a base of willfully ignorant lemmings and he is exploiting it to the fullest in order to bring about the next civil war.

His speech on the 3rd was the most divisive speech ever given by a sitting pResident, it was meant to seal the deal and declare their independence.

They will have no problem taking up arms against the left, we have been demonized and animalized. His followers are already pulling guns on people and walking the streets carrying AR-15's to intimidate Free Speech.

malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
14. Thank you!! This is Poli. Sci. 101. Also, if you're not anti-fascist, you're pro-fascist.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:36 PM
Jul 2020

There's no middle ground on this question.

lark

(23,065 posts)
18. Drumpf is a fascist so he has to accuse Democrats of that, it's what he has always done.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:52 PM
Jul 2020

He accuses others of doing exactly what he is doing. So he's a criminal who hates America and Democracy and is a fascist meaning extreme right wing, which means he must accuse Democrats of being anti-American left wing fascists, which he knows is a lie and is just meant to hide his own failures.

The Mouth

(3,145 posts)
20. Fascism is one party control of the state with capitalist markets
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:53 PM
Jul 2020

As defined (most of the time) by the person who coined the term, first implemented it, and was the only professional journalist to become leader of a nation.

So, to the degree that it consists of a "free market" (albeit very corrupt) but no rival political parties, a government is Fascist.

The definition existed before most of us were born, PhD or no, people can't just rewrite definitions, although it would be hard to argue that there has ever been "left wing" fascism since closely regulating the economy is a basic tenet of us lefties, but theoretically you could have a nation with universal health care, environmental protections, universal education, and other good lefty things that only had one party and a mostly free economy, so it's not completely impossible.

So every fascist government so far has been, indeed, right wing, but regardless of what someone writes on wikipedia or their PhD thesis, it's not part of the original definition even if it's always been the case.
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