"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

[kentuck]

It is in the Scriptures and was in a speech from Abraham Lincoln in 1858, when he was running for the US Senate from Illinois.

Furthermore, he said, "I do not expect the Union to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect it will cease to be divided."
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"It will become all one thing or all the other."


Once again, the house is divided against itself. It cannot stand.

Unfortunately, this time, it is divided by political ideology.

With a demagogue leading this nation, there is no guarantee that we will survive.

The Biblical reference, in my opinion, is more accurate than Lincoln.

Matthew, 12:25: “And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand.”

[denem]

1. Lincoln's meaning was clear "I believe this government cannot endure

I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free."

Although the 'housed divided' is often quoted, the context is usually omitted.

[kentuck]

2. The "government" was the Union, the democracy?

The Confederates threatened our survival as a democracy unlike any time before or since.

Except, maybe now?

[denem]

4. Government - Federal & State

At the time, the Federal Legislature & Executive was far from all powerful. Government meant, how the Union was governed.

[kentuck]

5. And Lincoln had a strong view that the Union should be held together.

The idea of our Nation and our Constitution was very important to him.

[yardwork]

3. We were divided by politics and ideology then, too.

Last time, the slave owners lost. Their ideological descendants will lose again. I believe that good is more powerful than evil.

[denem]

6. Most of them, the South included, knew slavery was evil,

but their greed for 'king cotton' gold overrode all else.

[kentuck]

7. An important point, I think?

...is that every white in the South did not own slaves. It was primarily wealthy whites that promulgated and propagandized the idea of slavery to all the poor whites of the South, also, in my opinion. It became a part of the culture, which still lingers today.

[yardwork]

8. I'm aware of that. The war was fought over slavery.

Specifically, the fight between slave holding states and non slave holding states (the South and North) was about whether the new states being created in the West would be slavery states. The South wanted the new states to be slave owning states, and the North disagreed.

And in every war it's always the case that only a few wealthy people benefit, but they get lots of poor people to fight and die.

[kentuck]

9. Very true.

Greed and economics is a deadly recipe.

[myohmy2]

10. absolutely...

...we can't even agree about what to do in a pandemic...

...so be it...let the Maskers vote Dem and let the Spreaders vote Puke until it, "...becomes all one thing or all the the other."

...personally, I'm tired of trying to accommodate and live with people that insist on turning stupidity into a virtue...

...I no longer have anything in common with a trumpkin anymore than I would have with a Martian...

...it's time for a fresh start and a new beginning...

...hang in there...

[kentuck]

11. myohmy2...