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No link. I'm listening to John Fugelsang's Sanity pod Cast (july 6, Pete Dominick)
Before Pete came on, Fugelsang made the assertion that based on events and public statements, he believes Putin bought trump's personal debt, and in turn sold all of us to Putin.
It comes along with the news that putin paid bounties for american soldier murders.
Ok, ok. You want evidence, proof, fingerprints. I know. But remember that John has lots of high level contacts, and he knows his shit. And is not sensationalist. And is reality based and honest. I think he's as credible as anyone can be.
So. If/when evidence is ever available, there couldn't be 2 worse cases of treason. He knew for a year that Putin made the bounties public and never denied it or did anything to stop it. Our own soldiers! And he personally profited by selling the influence of our government to our worst enemy.
Murder and corruption.
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themaguffin
(3,826 posts)liberalla
(9,247 posts)I'd still like the details, though. Seth Abramson will shed light on this, I would think.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)about Trump (and Alfa Bank, possibly, as well).
It would be nice to have the DB records that are alleged to exist, by the son of a former DB employee who killed himself.
Remember those redacted cases Mueller handed off? Wasn't there speculation one or more of them may involve money transfers? Mueller subpoenaed a foreign bank, but I don't recall if we ever found out which one. I had guessed Alfa, but it could have been DB (but haven't they cooperated?).
Stuart G
(38,427 posts)......If true, & can be proven...."Impeachment #2"
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)The notes were purchased by Putin. Now trump owes putin, legally, who can call him into default if trump screws up just once on the intricacies of his loan. Properties can be foreclosed upon, etc. Therefore, trump wants to do everything he can to make his new lender happy.
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)The Supreme Court won't do that to a sitting president. It would be ungentlemanly to the presidency. And they won't want to stir up this mess.
Even with all we've learned and been through, the process moves slowly. Chess moves, carefully choreographed, planned months and years ahead. Which should tell you something about the size of the problem.
In my view, drag in Deutsche Bank and you drag in the history of Deutsche Bank. A lot off things went underground after the war, even if many things were defused or stalemated.
Lock him up.
(6,929 posts)And for more or less a "minor" offense (compared to this one).
They have "precedence" to justify if not.
Make Justice Great Again
BComplex
(8,051 posts)Those days seem to be long behind us.
Lock him up.
(6,929 posts)Whether or not they could find an acceptable justification for defying that precedent is up in the air.
They already ruled against the WH in many cases we thought they never would.
Barr is not in charge of the SC...
Lock him up.
(6,929 posts)... is very tough to overturn.
Remember it's the House Ways and Means committee who requested his tax returns, not us, the public at large.
If the SC rules in the committee's favor, it's very unlikely we, the general public, will see them in full, but if the committee finds "irregularities" yeah, we will probably see what they are about (very specific).
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)more or less.
Subtle projection, once again.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)but Fugelsang, does it so much better and accurately.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)get elsewhere].
'Donald Trump's Many, Many, Many, Many Ties to Russia | Time
https://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia
We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia, Trumps son, Donald Jr., said at a real estate conference in 2008, according to a trade publication, eTurboNews. The only instance that Trump'
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Anyone can assert anything. Let's see the evidence, and then we can go from there.
If you think I'm defending Trump, you're woefully incorrect. But we need evidence of this, not just someone's assertions.
usaf-vet
(6,186 posts)If true treason would be to kind a description. I don't personally see it as a stretch.
We've all been asking what can Putin have on Trump that keeps him on the pro-Russian leash.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)It's just that someone asserting that something is true is really useless. Without evidence, there is no action that can be taken. So, simply making an assertion is useless.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)As someone posted earlier - you always see the smoke before the fire.
Perhaps there is a legit reason for the smoke, perhaps not the one one thinks.
Allegations from credible sources must be investigated to discover the Truth.
lindysalsagal
(20,686 posts)start urging those in government with the power to investigate international finances to uncover it.
but if you know anything about Fugelsang, there is no one I would trust more than him. And he knows people in very high places, even if he can't mention their names on air.
Kitchari
(2,166 posts)[link:https://forensicnews.net/2020/01/03/trump-deutsche-bank-loans-underwritten-by-russian-state-owned-bank-whistleblower-told-fbi/|]
I think I saw it here on DU a couple of weeks ago. Excerpt:
Trumps team at DB sought out creative ways to circumvent the varied protections DBs compliance team institutionally implemented, & whether by happenstance or by design Trumps loans became underwritten by Russias own VTB.
blakstoneranger
(333 posts)When trump won the 2016 election, he was over $950 million in debt. Much of this debt was owed to china. I read that china sold his debt to someone or something else. He also owed a huge chunk to Goldman/Sachs which is why Steve manuchin was hired as his treasury secretary (nuch was on the board of G/S). If putin bought trumps debt from china, it would explain trumps punk stance with Russia. If Putin called in that debt in its entirety, trump will be mugging old ladies on 5th ave for their purses.
THANK GOODNESS FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES!! WITHOUT THE TIMES, WE WOULD KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS CROOK!!
triron
(22,003 posts)C Moon
(12,213 posts)papa3times
(150 posts)this and have said it to anyone who would listen for years. It makes total sense. A few hundred million dollars is nothing for Putin and is a small investment to get the sanctions lifted and back into the G-7 to make it the G-8. If the goddamned Supreme Court would do the right thing we could get our hands on the documentation to expose this criminal/traitor Trump for what he is! It will come out eventually someday but we need it now!
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)been the Trump presidency emerges.
Decades.
But history will not be kind to Trump or the Republicans.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Trump is killing us in multiple ways, including at the least:
Complicity with Putin's Taliban bounty payments to kill US troops.
Sabotage of the US response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
Inflaming racial tensions to trigger a wave of white supremacist terror attacks.
*grateful to DUer "gratuitous" for the term.
triron
(22,003 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)czarjak
(11,274 posts)Champp
(2,114 posts)They are both at work weakening America.
cilla4progress
(24,731 posts)bill!
triron
(22,003 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)and then had to walk it back a bit because his source didn't want to go public and he only had one source... IIRC
And FWIW, I'm pretty confident it's true because it connects a lot of dots.
lindysalsagal
(20,686 posts)And that's really all there is to it. Corruption can be complicated, but it's not any deeper than fear and greed.
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)as well as the long and criminal past of this president
lindysalsagal
(20,686 posts)doesn't have to reveal anything. Only other governments can investigate other governments, and even that's quite limited. That's what all the gangsters are counting on.
LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)like the son of a dead banker released his father's files to a reporter for a small online news site. The story never got much traction but seem fairly damning.
Found it: https://forensicnews.net/2020/01/03/trump-deutsche-bank-loans-underwritten-by-russian-state-owned-bank-whistleblower-told-fbi/
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Run for office, even if it means amending the Constitution. Complete financial statements and tax returns, going back five or more years, should be required to be disclosed.
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)Follow the money!!!!
Skittles
(153,160 posts)especially Putin helping Trump become prez
pecosbob
(7,538 posts)and further that this debt was specifically guaranteed by Russian oligarchs' money...in other words, Putin. I think this has been common knowlege for several months now.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Dan
(3,562 posts)Former SCOTUS Justice Kennedy...and his son that works/ed at Deutsche Bank.
I dont think it will be years before we get a large part of the story, I think we start getting the information in the first term of the next president. I think that we as a nation are going to be in shock with what will be released. I think that the people that voted for Trump, the ones that still have the ability to feel shame (a minority of them) will be embarrassed and in denial of their voting for him.
I think sadly, we will end of being the laughing stock of the world for as a nation being taken in by a con man.
lindysalsagal
(20,686 posts)They found a way to implicate the right people to initiate and maintain the coverup.
Snoopy 7
(527 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,686 posts)WHY isn't this on the TV news???????
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)That Putin is paying Trump bounties for covid19 deaths in the US.