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Did Bloomberg lie to us all? (Original Post) bluewater Jul 2020 OP
Yes MoonlitKnight Jul 2020 #1
Bloomberg's response to all things related to the primaries and what was said, "Oh, never mind!" NCDem47 Jul 2020 #2
Consider that Bloomberg was treated like shit during the primary...and he did fund Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #3
Warren tore him a new one everyone else was pretty moderate around him uponit7771 Jul 2020 #4
She destroyed him and other Democrats went after him too. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #13
Bloomberg has been around a long time. delisen Jul 2020 #16
Maybe. He might think that our party is ungrateful considering the support offered Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #38
The man to keep his word Sunsky Jul 2020 #9
Look, I supported Biden the entire primary and Warren probably helped Biden Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #17
Remember, he also hopped in very late in the process... JHB Jul 2020 #54
This is true. Biden sure would have like to skip Iowa,New Hampshire and Nevada I bet Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #60
Anger or hurt? JonLP24 Jul 2020 #57
I don't say I agree with him but acknowledge I doubt we have the house without his Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #59
I think we win the house either way JonLP24 Jul 2020 #62
I forget the exact number now, but it was in the hundreds of millions to support... George II Jul 2020 #67
The real action begins after next month. C_U_L8R Jul 2020 #5
Yup. K&R onetexan Jul 2020 #75
Call me naive, I have total faith in Mike Bloomberg Mike 03 Jul 2020 #6
Yeah, I'm on your side on this one. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #10
He'll come through for us Mike 03 Jul 2020 #20
Make that 2 - just because we don't hear of it doesn't mean Bloomberg isn't doing anything onetexan Jul 2020 #76
I hope so... I like the current Mike too...he has evolved and has been very helpful Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #19
I did not know that ...very impressive. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #24
Bloomberg, a former Bush/Cheney Republican got in the race to stop Sanders and Warren. Once it jalan48 Jul 2020 #7
Bloomberg helped us win the house...why would he do that if he still supported the GOP? Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #22
My take is Bloomberg supports candidates that will favor him, He's the 7th richest person in the US jalan48 Jul 2020 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author bluewater Jul 2020 #29
The GOP having the house is way more favorable to rich guys like Bloomberg...than Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #41
Yes, I'm sure all those social media types as well as Elizabeth Warren have hurt Mikey's feelings so jalan48 Jul 2020 #47
I didn't suggest anything of the kinds...doubt it would work, but I wouldn't do it Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #65
I think it was primarily to give Biden voters an option if Joe faltered completely. honest.abe Jul 2020 #77
A multi billionaire lying? irisblue Jul 2020 #8
He said he is waiting until the campaign kicks in BigmanPigman Jul 2020 #11
I think you are correct but do you have a link that statement. honest.abe Jul 2020 #21
Here is one... BigmanPigman Jul 2020 #71
Yes, he said that... there really is no reason to spend money now.... he's probably go all out secondwind Jul 2020 #40
*crickets* Jamastiene Jul 2020 #12
It was always about Bloomie UpInArms Jul 2020 #14
So far, whatever he's doing is working lol unblock Jul 2020 #15
It's summer - real campaign starts after Labor Day Jersey Devil Jul 2020 #18
that is such a quaint perspective. Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #23
advt costs millions so you wait to get the biggest bang for your money Jersey Devil Jul 2020 #32
How many people here work on political campaigns professionally? brooklynite Jul 2020 #25
Why sit on one's hands? bluewater Jul 2020 #27
Simple PTWB Jul 2020 #78
I agree with you, brooklynite. A much better time would be September & October.. Stuart G Jul 2020 #30
I'm with you 100% Mike 03 Jul 2020 #33
The time to form lasting impressions is as early as possible. liskddksil Jul 2020 #34
Call Biden, he might need your advice! nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #35
Trump is defined. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #43
In our bubble Trump is defined. Outside he is still seen as a better steward of the Economy than Joe liskddksil Jul 2020 #50
The campaign is doing fine thank you very much. This is a referendum on Trump Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #64
Ah a classic "don't worry we got this" post. I saw many in 2016. liskddksil Jul 2020 #69
THE LINCOLN PROJECT ads that you know and love... brooklynite Jul 2020 #48
"not intended to convert voters" melman Jul 2020 #52
That and to create doubt in the minds of potential trump voters.... George II Jul 2020 #63
Do you? melman Jul 2020 #45
I haven't worked on campaigns "professionally" (i.e., for a salary) but I've worked at the top.... George II Jul 2020 #58
How many people have said the letter Comey Phoenix61 Jul 2020 #28
+1 honest.abe Jul 2020 #46
I recall seeing something on DU sarisataka Jul 2020 #31
It's only July, the only people are a spending money now are the ones who are behind in the polls Snake Plissken Jul 2020 #36
Not true. Impressions become set in stone early on. Whoever succesfully does that will win 90% liskddksil Jul 2020 #37
There is still a LONG time before the election and $$$ goes quickly cbdo2007 Jul 2020 #39
He will contribute after Labor Day dalton99a Jul 2020 #42
Of course melman Jul 2020 #44
Aside from it being preconvention... 2naSalit Jul 2020 #49
Obviously, he's not a golfer. nt coti Jul 2020 #51
What did people expect? jcmaine72 Jul 2020 #53
Yes LiberalArkie Jul 2020 #55
I honestly don't want his money JonLP24 Jul 2020 #56
Here's what Bloomberg ACTUALLY said: George II Jul 2020 #61
I would suspect that H2O Man Jul 2020 #66
I find it hard to take Chait seriously. lapucelle Jul 2020 #68
It's July 7th ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #70
I'm sure Bloom will get right on that. Autumn Jul 2020 #72
He realized he couldn't compete against Covid-19 Dukkha Jul 2020 #73
I feel vindicated Trumpocalypse Jul 2020 #74

NCDem47

(2,248 posts)
2. Bloomberg's response to all things related to the primaries and what was said, "Oh, never mind!"
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jul 2020

Not.

To.

Be.

Trusted.

His arrogance REEKED during those debates.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
3. Consider that Bloomberg was treated like shit during the primary...and he did fund
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 10:56 AM
Jul 2020

the house takeover in 18. What do we expect?

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
13. She destroyed him and other Democrats went after him too.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:10 AM
Jul 2020

I expect his feeling were hurt and he is angry.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
38. Maybe. He might think that our party is ungrateful considering the support offered
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:02 PM
Jul 2020

in the last few years.

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
9. The man to keep his word
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:06 AM
Jul 2020

Which was made after he suspended his campaign. Therefore, how he was or wasn't treated during his candidacy doesn't matter. However, I thought he got a fair shot and blew it during the debate. He has nobody to blame but himself.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
17. Look, I supported Biden the entire primary and Warren probably helped Biden
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:14 AM
Jul 2020

going after Bloomberg. But Bloomberg did help us take back the house and win Virginia via funding and that should have been considered before some pretty vicious attacks and not just by Warren either. And Sure he said he would help and maybe he will;I hope he does keep his promise ...getting rid of Trump is more important than anger or hurt on his part, but he may not do so. That is the reality.

JHB

(37,159 posts)
54. Remember, he also hopped in very late in the process...
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:50 PM
Jul 2020

...and arguably got special treatment (IIRC, he didn't meet the criteria for being included in one of the debates, but got an invite anyway).

He was great at taking shots at Trump. Building support within the party? Not so much, so he went nowhere when the primary ballots were cast.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
60. This is true. Biden sure would have like to skip Iowa,New Hampshire and Nevada I bet
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 01:50 PM
Jul 2020

but he didn't.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
57. Anger or hurt?
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 01:35 PM
Jul 2020

I could mention a candidate that was treated a lot worse by the party and the media but he still backs the nominee.

Audio: Bloomberg slammed Warren as 'scary' and demeaned his endorsement of Obama

WASHINGTON – Leaked audio of billionaire and 2020 Democratic contender Michael Bloomberg shows him calling the progressive left and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mas., "scary" while also suggesting that Sen. Mitt Romney, R-UT, would have been a better president than former President Barack Obama.

CNN released the audio Monday, saying it came from a Goldman Sachs event for at Yankee Stadium in 2016. In it, Bloomberg is heard saying "the left is rising. The progressive movement is just as scary. Elizabeth Warren on one side. And whoever you want to pick on the Republicans on the right side?" when asked about the rise of the far-right in Europe.

Bloomberg also said that he would use a "campaign platform" for the presidency to "defend the banks."

"You know how well that's gonna sell in this country," he said, adding that the people in the banking crowd are his "peeps."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/24/audio-michael-bloomberg-slammed-elizabeth-warren-scary/4864125002/

I wish Bloomberg would go away.

Bloomberg’s comments on redlining distort a history of racism


https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/02/20/bloombergs-comments-on-redlining-distort-a-history-of-racism/

Not to mention Bloomberg's racist comments defending stop & frisk. Thank god he isn't the nominee. Could you imagine him at the top of the ticket with BLM protests going on?

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
59. I don't say I agree with him but acknowledge I doubt we have the house without his
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 01:48 PM
Jul 2020

help...and say why he may not help us..hope he does in fact continue to support Democrats.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
62. I think we win the house either way
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 01:55 PM
Jul 2020

The Trump party is too far to the right and they lost a lot of those suburban voters. The Trump party denies climate change while the environment as well as gun control are important to the newly picked up voters.

This is a study from a political scientist

Study: Biden can unite progressives and swing voters with a focus on climate

The environment is the biggest driver of doubts about Trump among his wavering supporters.

Most of the people who voted for Donald Trump in 2016 tell pollsters they’re firmly backing his reelection this fall. But elections are won by margins. And the relatively small number of Trump voters — about 10 percent, according to the Cooperative Congressional Election Survey — who say they’re at least considering casting a vote for the Democratic nominee are a critical slice of the population to understand.

And a new study, provided to Vox by Tufts University political scientists Brian Schaffner and Laurel Bliss and Data for Progress executive director Sean McElwee, argues that climate change could be the key for Democrats hoping to woo these voters.

This is a matter that should be of some concern to Joe Biden in particular, as the wavering Trump voters are disproportionately young and the youth vote has not exactly been Biden’s strong suit. But while these voters take conservative positions on some issues, their ideas on climate are largely aligned with those of the Democratic Party base and with stances Biden himself has already taken.

Who the wavering Trump voters are
Trump voters who’ve lost confidence in the president are an electorally critical demographic, but it’s also a small group of people — just around 10 percent of the approximately 46 percent of voters who pulled the lever for Trump in 2016. The CCES is an ideal tool to study those voters because it’s a large survey, with 19,000 responses, that can still generate statistically useful information about small sub-groups.

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/2/21201825/biden-climate-swing-voters-progressives-2020-election

Trump is probably the biggest reason why we picked up the house.

George II

(67,782 posts)
67. I forget the exact number now, but it was in the hundreds of millions to support...
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 02:06 PM
Jul 2020

...our Democratic House candidates.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
6. Call me naive, I have total faith in Mike Bloomberg
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:02 AM
Jul 2020

He's the guy who, on his own initiative, flew to Paris to meet Macron and personally pay the $15 M United States' Paris Accord dues the day after Trump announced he would pull us out.

(Source: p 348, The Many Lives of Michael Bloomberg by Eleanor Randolph.)

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
10. Yeah, I'm on your side on this one.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:07 AM
Jul 2020

Just because we can't see it, doesn't mean it's not happening - I have to believe he's involved somehow.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
20. He'll come through for us
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:15 AM
Jul 2020

He is likely doing work right now that we're not aware of.

A lot of his philanthropy is done quietly or through third parties.

jalan48

(13,863 posts)
7. Bloomberg, a former Bush/Cheney Republican got in the race to stop Sanders and Warren. Once it
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:02 AM
Jul 2020

was clear neither would become our Presidential candidate he dropped out. He had some very vocal supporters here on DU.

jalan48

(13,863 posts)
26. My take is Bloomberg supports candidates that will favor him, He's the 7th richest person in the US
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:20 AM
Jul 2020

with a net worth of over $55 billion.

Response to jalan48 (Reply #26)

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
41. The GOP having the house is way more favorable to rich guys like Bloomberg...than
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:07 PM
Jul 2020

Democrats in terms of the pugs doing everything in their power to further enrich them. But your post is telling, and with this sort of opinion which I have no doubt is shared by those on social media in large numbers, why should Bloomberg help us? I hope he will because he realizes the danger to our country Trump presents.

jalan48

(13,863 posts)
47. Yes, I'm sure all those social media types as well as Elizabeth Warren have hurt Mikey's feelings so
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:22 PM
Jul 2020

badly he might not support Democrats after all. Quick, we need to suck up up to him before he decides to switch back to being a Republican.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
65. I didn't suggest anything of the kinds...doubt it would work, but I wouldn't do it
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 01:57 PM
Jul 2020

anyway. I merely suggested a reason Mike has not stepped up...hope he is waiting until fall as many have said.

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
77. I think it was primarily to give Biden voters an option if Joe faltered completely.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 07:13 PM
Jul 2020

When in turn would stop Sanders from winning.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
11. He said he is waiting until the campaign kicks in
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:08 AM
Jul 2020

after the DNC "convention" then he will support Biden and all the Dems running.

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
21. I think you are correct but do you have a link that statement.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:15 AM
Jul 2020

Mike is clearly on our side in the situation and I know he wants to defeat Trump.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
71. Here is one...
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 06:34 PM
Jul 2020
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/mike-bloomberg-to-donate-18-million-to-dnc-in-2020-election.html

"Former New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg will scrap his plans for an independent group to boost Democrats in the 2020 presidential election and instead pile $18 million into the Democratic National Committee, his campaign announced Friday."

"Bloomberg’s presidential campaign said the DNC will use the investment to boost hiring, organizing and data operations in battleground states. In addition, it will transfer “several” field offices to state parties."

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
40. Yes, he said that... there really is no reason to spend money now.... he's probably go all out
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:07 PM
Jul 2020


after Labor Day.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
32. advt costs millions so you wait to get the biggest bang for your money
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:43 AM
Jul 2020

It's not "quaint" to want to to maximize your audience. Although this year may be a bad example due to covid, people are not paying attention in the summer. They are vacationing, enjoying the outdoors, shopping for school clothes, etc. After Labor Day people are indoors more, watching more television. It's why we have summer reruns.

brooklynite

(94,518 posts)
25. How many people here work on political campaigns professionally?
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:17 AM
Jul 2020

I'm guessing: none. What tells you that early July is the optimal time to spend money?

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
27. Why sit on one's hands?
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:23 AM
Jul 2020

It's never too early to prime the pump with adds to set the tone and define the opposition.

Especially if you are going to spend ONE BILLION DOLLARS in total.

The Lincoln Project, who I imagine have some people in it that have worked on political campaigns professionally, seem to realize this and have been running savage, scathing anti-Trump adds to define him now.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
78. Simple
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 07:34 PM
Jul 2020

Nothing that happens right now will have significant impact on the election. Humans have short memories. A billion dollars over 120 days will be less impactful than a bullion dollars over 60 days immediately preceding the election.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
30. I agree with you, brooklynite. A much better time would be September & October..
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:37 AM
Jul 2020

The billion will be spent, please be patient. Early July around the 4th, is NOT THE BEST TIME!

Everyone, please be patient!!! ...4 months left till November 3..I believe Bloomberg will keep his word..Patience!!!

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
34. The time to form lasting impressions is as early as possible.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:56 AM
Jul 2020

Most of the hack political operatives on our side wait much too long to define our opponents, and also let them define our candidate and policies without push-back. We have lost countless winnable races because of it. See John Kerry (August 2004).

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
50. In our bubble Trump is defined. Outside he is still seen as a better steward of the Economy than Joe
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:38 PM
Jul 2020

That's on the campaign to fix now.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
64. The campaign is doing fine thank you very much. This is a referendum on Trump
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 01:56 PM
Jul 2020

and if people are still supporting him after what he has done, they will continue to do so. Trump is a known quantity as is Biden which helps Biden. I believe Biden will win in a landslide.

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
69. Ah a classic "don't worry we got this" post. I saw many in 2016.
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 02:40 PM
Jul 2020

I hope anyone working on Joe's campaign doesn't have the attitude that this is in the bag, because it is certainly not. They better give 500% every minute between now and until the electoral college meets and not let down its guard at all.

brooklynite

(94,518 posts)
48. THE LINCOLN PROJECT ads that you know and love...
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:23 PM
Jul 2020

...are not intended to convert voters; they're intended to provoke a reaction from Trump that gets reported in free media. And if LP is paying for them, why should Bloomberg?

George II

(67,782 posts)
63. That and to create doubt in the minds of potential trump voters....
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 01:55 PM
Jul 2020

Even if they don't vote for Biden, if they don't vote for trump either that's one vote in our favor in each case.

George II

(67,782 posts)
58. I haven't worked on campaigns "professionally" (i.e., for a salary) but I've worked at the top....
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 01:47 PM
Jul 2020

...of countless campaigns over the years.

They've all been local or state-wide, not national. We started spending serious money in September or very late in August.

What's the point of sending out mailings that will be thrown in the garbage and forgotten months before the campaign gets serious?

I have no doubt Mike Bloomberg will wind up spending big money by November.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
28. How many people have said the letter Comey
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:26 AM
Jul 2020

sent on Oct 28th cost Hillary the election? This nation has the attention span of a flea. I’d much rather Bloomberg hang out in the back ground for now. Biden is doing fine. The Lincoln Project is kicking ass.

sarisataka

(18,632 posts)
31. I recall seeing something on DU
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:41 AM
Jul 2020

A few weeks ago that the Bloomberg campaign submitted a final report of expenditures for his run came in at just over a billion dollars.

Now he promised to spend a billion to defeat Trump, but if he spent a billion on his own campaign... he can claim that technically he kept his promise. The question then is will he spend more?

I think that depends on how much he hates Trump or if he sees a benefit to himself. I never have seen him as a true ally. He may support Democrats more often, but he has not hesitated to support Republicans when it suits his agenda.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
36. It's only July, the only people are a spending money now are the ones who are behind in the polls
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 11:58 AM
Jul 2020

After Labor Day is when the election really begins

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
37. Not true. Impressions become set in stone early on. Whoever succesfully does that will win 90%
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:01 PM
Jul 2020

of the time.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
39. There is still a LONG time before the election and $$$ goes quickly
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:06 PM
Jul 2020

Why spent money on ads now when he could completely blanket the airwaves with ads in the last 2-3 weeks.

2naSalit

(86,577 posts)
49. Aside from it being preconvention...
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:35 PM
Jul 2020

Perhaps he has been quietly funding TLP and MT? Or maybe even one or two of the other R groups working to defeat the asshole in chief.

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
53. What did people expect?
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 12:50 PM
Jul 2020

I got relentlessly pummeled in the Primary Forum earlier in the year for daring to point out Bloomberg's horrendous past and for refusing to accept the store-bought (D) he placed next to his name as proof that he had been miraculously transformed into a genuine pillar of Democratic principles. He's not, never was, and never will be a Democrat. PERIOD!

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
56. I honestly don't want his money
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 01:29 PM
Jul 2020

I don't want anything to do with Bloomberg. We really dodged a bullet with him.

Could you imagine stop and frisk Bloomberg in a race vs stop and frisk Trump.

George II

(67,782 posts)
61. Here's what Bloomberg ACTUALLY said:
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 01:50 PM
Jul 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/11/us/politics/michael-bloomberg-spending.html

Michael Bloomberg Is Open to Spending $1 Billion to Defeat Trump

The Democratic presidential candidate said he would spend big even if the nominee was someone he had sharp differences with, like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.

SAN MARCOS, Texas — Michael R. Bloomberg on Saturday did not rule out spending a billion dollars of his own money on the 2020 presidential race, even if he does not win the Democratic nomination, and said he would mobilize his well-financed political operation to help Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren win in November if either is the party nominee, despite their sharp policy differences.

Mr. Bloomberg’s plans would effectively create a shadow campaign operation for the general election, complete with hundreds of organizers in key battleground states and a robust digital operation, ready to be inherited by the party nominee — regardless of who that nominee may be.

Already, Mr. Bloomberg has spent more than $200 million on advertising, putting him on pace to spend by early March about the same as what President Barack Obama’s campaign spent on advertising over the course of the entire 2012 general election. If Mr. Bloomberg fails to win the nomination, future spending would be redirected toward attacking Mr. Trump.


To be honest, no one knows yet how much Bloomberg has already spent. No doubt he'll ramp up his spending in the fall.

Remember, although he crushed his 20+ fellow candidates in the primaries, Joe Biden still isn't the "official" nominee. The convention hasn't even been conducted yet.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
66. I would suspect that
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 02:00 PM
Jul 2020

it is way too early to say. If he is going to invest a lot of funds, it would make sense that he hold off until at least after the "conventions."

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
70. It's July 7th
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 02:44 PM
Jul 2020

Major spending starts in September. PINO's gang is spending now because they need to stop the bleeding.
Even if they manage to mitigate a bit, in September and October there's plenty of time to rip the stitches.

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