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This video shows perfectly how black folk are regularly expected to justify our right to occupy whatever space we happen to be in to white people who occupy the same space without question.
It also shows what it means to be an ally. Bravo to the girl who not only took the video but also directly challenged this woman's behavior.
It's interesting how this woman seems very sure her fellow white folk are in alignment with her - "C'mere!" as if they're on the same team - and when she realizes they're not and she's busted, she just hustles away.
Link to tweet
RandiFan1290
(6,221 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,362 posts)MILLIONS.
Too many to count.
And as long as there are some of those types that are young enough to have children and pass that infection along,
WE WILL NEVER BE RID OF THEM!
I love this country, but it embarrasses the hell out of me these days.
betsuni
(25,380 posts)Comments from white people about racist things used to be majority "I guess we'll never know what really happened." NOW WE KNOW, IDIOTS.
irisblue
(32,929 posts)Said "come here", she thought she had a racist ally. The woman recording was very clear-No. I enjoyed the tail turn and run off that the racist middle aged pale female did.
There is more info on the racist middle aged pale female further in that twitter thread BTW.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Although I'm noticing a resurgence in that notion
irisblue
(32,929 posts)Over that term.
She really thought she had a racist ally there
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)It is telling that she assumed the other lady would be racist. Hopefully she learned several lessons that day!
And apologies for being sensitive about the "pale" thing. Kind of a lifelong issue I've been teased about (although it "pales" in comparison to what black and brown people deal with every day, I completely acknowledge).
I don't have a problem with the "Caren" moniker, but I probably would if that were my name.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)It was in the context of work, so I had to be diplomatic. About 15 years ago I was in social services and in a low-income housing facility to oversee a distribution of essential goods. A black man, resident of the building, was the sort of lead guy for this monthly thing. Usually we just dropped the stuff off and they took it from there, but there was one lady that kept calling my boss about 'problems' so my boss sent me to figure out the problem.
Problem was, lady was racist. We had already gone out of our way to accommodate her, making arrangements to have stuff delivered to her apartment so she didn't even have to interact with this guy. Well that wasn't good enough. She couldn't handle a black man in charge. "He was even a Black Panther!", she said. "Us white women need to stick together". I switched from friendly and warm to a brick wall. I told her that's not how this works, he does a great job, and we've done what we can do to, and have a good day.
Asshole.
irisblue
(32,929 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)We weren't social workers or anything, not involved in the housing complex beyond this monthly distribution. I did see him because I had to go back one or two times for other reasons and he was still the head guy. But if I recall correctly, there were never any more problems in relation to that lady. She probably just sat in her apartment, entitled, while some volunteer brought her the box of stuff every month, since she failed at getting him in trouble. No one else ever complained about him, people loved him. He was a nice, funny, interesting guy. They still lived in the same building, so I don't know, I'm guessing he avoided her because she was such an asshole, lol.
drmeow
(5,012 posts)Come here, little girl, so I can lecture you on how you are wrong and need to defer to your elders and superiors. She could already tell the person filming was not on here side and was going to "school" her on how bad and dangerous he was.
BComplex
(8,017 posts)the internet. It's time these racist assholes were called out publicly for their backward, ignorant attitudes.
Demovictory9
(32,421 posts)PCIntern
(25,481 posts)Visceral outrage. I know how she feels.
dalton99a
(81,398 posts)2020 is showing us the truth and the pervasive brutality of white entitlement
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)"It's wrong to jump to conclusions."
ProfessorGAC
(64,852 posts)I'll jump right to the conclusion that she's a cowardly, racist jerk.
If somebody doesn't like my jump, they can sue me.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)or at least the black man would have been I guess.
uponit7771
(90,302 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)The difference is that this woman didn't have a gun and a pickup truck and the person recording this wasn't a participant in the harassment.
This is how black men get murdered just for walking down the street. And without cameras and objective witnesses, the story is that they posed a threat and the killers are believed - because they MUST have done something. Remember Trayvon Martin?
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)cops harassing the young black men walking on the street. We have white suburbanites walking down the street all the time in my neighborhood - never get tackled by the cops.
BumRushDaShow
(128,479 posts)is that there are no sidewalks, so most if not all, will "walk in the street". But I expect one might guess who would get a citation for "jaywalking" (on a street with no sidewalks) if such an ordinance were on the books there.
rumleyfips
(27 posts)Multiple incidents of this type are appearing every day. Trumaloonies will never admit it, but they know they are losing and it's driving them crazy.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)But the fact is, if someone is labeling you "Karen," that means you've done something to warrant that label. You're not just sitting there minding your own business. And generally it means that you've stepped into something--into somebody else's business--that you have no business stepping into.
And you've made a spectacle of yourself based on some degree of privilege that you believe that you have. If that applies to you, KAREN, then that applies to you! If it doesn't apply to you, then just let it fly! Why people want to...when people are like "oh, it's the new n-word"... ARE YOU SERIOUS, KAREN?! That is a Karen! Okay?
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 9, 2020, 10:57 AM - Edit history (1)
Kindly fast-forward to the 55-second mark to actually LISTEN to what she's saying. Or read it. (I've made it as easy as possible by including a transcript for you.)
TRANSCRIPT of AMANDA SEALES (actress and comedian)
A "Karen" is a white woman whose oblivion of their privelege causes them to act in a way that is oppressive, and often-times... insane.
(video clip)
Some might think that a "Karen" is just a loud white woman asking for the manager. You know, disrupting your customer service experience. But I'm here to tell ya, Karen goes a lot deeper.
(video clip)
Karen is a white woman who is a descendant of those who came before her who could scream and get a black man killed, who could point and get a black woman murdered.
(video clips)
For me these videos are very triggering. I think that there's a certain level of like "oh-ha-ha-ha they're annoying" when you're just watching it. But when you're in that situation it is not an annoyance, it is a disruption of your being.
You know that as a person of color--specifically a black person--you are the one who's going to be in the situation of having to prove your innocence.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Especially this part -- and if it don't apply, let it fly!
thank you. People complaining should understand that a Karen is your typical racist and not a particular individual named Karen. And if they can't they never would have understood anyway. Just like a hardcore trumpet can't ever see their fuhrer for what he is. A racist POS looking to start a major race war and if not that a red and blue class-state war
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)the usual suspects an excuse to swarm and distract from this woman's abhorrent racism and the systemic nature of it to yet another whine about the untold suffering of all white women named "Karen."
But they showed up anyway - they always do because, for some reason, this kind of thing triggers them, no matter what terminology we use.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Just had to make this about "karen"
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)irisblue
(32,929 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Jirel
(2,014 posts)Its better than asshole since its so much more specific to a particular kind of racist behavior.
Keep complaining. Well keep saying Karen.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)You are correct! Some people don't realize that the "Karen" ship has sailed and all the whining in the world is not going to bring it back.
Response to NurseJackie (Reply #29)
gollygee This message was self-deleted by its author.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)llashram
(6,265 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Those who abuse their whites privilege, often in racist ways?
It seems to me thats just the type of behavior that needs a trendy hashtag. Something we can label and call out.
The issue is the behavior... NOT the label applied to that behavior. Jeez.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I don't like the Karen meme because the names used in these nosy white woman videos are all baby boomer names.
My beloved sister Karen was the nicest person you would ever meet. She died thirty years ago this week, from cancer, and I still miss her every single day. So yeah, I don't like the Karen meme.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)It just makes me sick to see this shit. It happens every day.
Jirel
(2,014 posts)We need much more of this. Sadly, the Karens of the world will not change their ways until people who look like them scare them back into the woodwork. It wont change their minds, but it will make them shut up until they eventually die out and the younger generations with better brains and ethics take over.
ananda
(28,835 posts)Good.
raccoon
(31,105 posts)First, for harassing that young man and telling him get out of here. Second for telling that young woman who was videotaping to, come here. Im glad the young woman didnt do that.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)If racist people like this know that they will get called out by other White people who witness what they're doing, they will stop feeling so comfortable doing things like this.
patphil
(6,150 posts)Maybe next time she won't be so quick to release her hate in public.
irisblue
(32,929 posts)The racist aged pale female was named and shamed.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)3catwoman3
(23,947 posts)An updated version of the old WASP - White Anglo-Saxon Protestant
irisblue
(32,929 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)That was kind of an old-money east coast thing. Plenty of entitled White people aren't Anglo-Saxon.
Sympthsical
(9,038 posts)I live in a fairly upscale neighborhood. It's pretty diverse (Bay Area). There's a black family a few doors down whom I know well. Awesome people.
Once a day, I go jogging around. There's a little enclave of expensive townhomes not far from me. They're built in a circle around a children's park. There's one entrance into the circle. It's a very closed off little island. I like going in and jogging around the circle. It's quiet, no traffic, and I know the distance, so I know how far I'm jogging.
I have never, not once, been bothered in the past year when doing this. I'm white.
Cue yesterday. I finished work and did my thing. The 15 year old black son of my neighbors was wandering around inside the circle of homes. He sat on a bench in the park and was eating a lunchable, just chilling. I noticed a guy in a fluorescent yellow work vest walk over and start talking to him. It seemed a little weird, so I stopped and walked over to say hey to the neighbor's kid.
The vest guy claims to be a security guard. He was telling the kid that this was all private property and he needed to move along. I interjected, no it's not. It's a public street and park. The guard insisted it was private. I asked where the signs are saying that. I walked over to the entrance of the enclave and looked all over. No signs. Nothing saying no one can be in that park unless they live there. I asked him to show me.
Then he says, "You should know. You live here."
Uh. No. I don't. For a year I have been in there almost daily. I have never seen any security, and I have never been hassled. I've even made small talk with people who live there when cooling down in the park.
No one was around that I knew. But, I plan to go back the same as always and see if I can get to the bottom of that one.
Neighbor kid and I walked back together. His whole posture was one of dejection. I was just pissed. Still am. We didn't talk directly to what happened. I just kept telling him that guy was full of shit. But I want to find out what the deal is there, and I want to make it known to the people I know who live there just what went down. Unfortunately, I didn't think to film it. I probably should have.
irisblue
(32,929 posts)You talk to his parents yet?
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Sympthsical
(9,038 posts)I haven't spoken to his parents, but they have my number. I think I may this afternoon. Just shoot a little text asking, "Did X say anything about the park yesterday?"
irisblue
(32,929 posts)Young men aren't always the best at opening up to parents. Young man needs to know his community has his back. IMO
And can you get a hold of the security guys' company & rip off a couple of layers of skin
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Your involvement in this was so important. And just walking along with the young man, letting him know without words that you were with him makes a tremendous difference. For some reason, it kind of reminds me of Pee Wee Reese and Jackie Robinson. It's beautiful.
Sympthsical
(9,038 posts)Tremendous family. I know all the kids on my street and always kind of look out for them, big and small. I don't have children, so it's about as parental as I can get. He was taking it in stride. I was ready to stroke out, lol.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)We are not having their shit anymore.
BannonsLiver
(16,294 posts)My God what an awful look.