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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums💥 BREAKING: TRUMP LOSES SUPREME COURT BATTLE WITH NEW YORK PROSECUTOR OVER HIS TAXES AND FINANCIAL
Once Trump is voted out of office, there will be a fat indictment waiting for him.Link to tweet
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Vote is 7-2. Chief Justice Roberts writes.
Thomas and Alito dissent.
"Given these safeguards and the Court's precedents, we cannot conclude that absolute immunity is necessary or appropriate under Article II or the Supremacy Clause. Our dissenting colleagues agree," the chief writes.
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HERE WE GO!!!!
https://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/19-635_o7jq.pdf
UPDATES (I am literally shaking)
https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/07/live-blog-of-opinions-59/
!!!THIS!!!
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Justices Rule Against Trump on Tax Returns
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled a grand jury in New York City can see President Trumps tax returns, though the decision was sent back to the lower courts since Trump can still appeal.
The bottom line: Trump does not have categorical immunity against a criminal subpoena, as his lawyers argued. Still Trump can argue the specifics of Vances subpoenas.
It was a 7 to 2 decision with Justices Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh both voting to release Trumps financial records.
https://politicalwire.com/2020/07/09/justices-rule-against-trump-on-tax-returns/
CAVEATS:
SCOTUS votes 7-2 in favor of New York District Attorney in fight over Trumps tax returns.
However, there are catches.
Case will go back to lower court to iron out limits of subpoena. Tax returns furnished to grand jury (and thus not public anyway).
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Gist of the decision, which is 7-2 (with Alito and Thomas in dissent): lower courts did not take an adequate look at the special concerns involved when Congress subpoenas information about a president.
They need to try again.
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The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Lol
malaise
(268,949 posts)He knew - the institutions are standing up to this criminal at last
dalton99a
(81,455 posts)blm
(113,044 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)malaise
(268,949 posts)Lock up this criminal - don't rule out the Con resigning
idziak4ever1234
(1,257 posts)MissB
(15,805 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Limited cell service today as we pass through various mountain ranges.
lonely bird
(1,685 posts)Alito is a reactionary and Thomas hasnt had an original thought since being appointed to the bench
Beakybird
(3,333 posts)brooklynite
(94,503 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)Election hedge?
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)What about Congress' subpoena? Do we still have a Constitution and the law?
Johnny2X2X
(19,047 posts)So any minute.
I suspect he wins the Congress case.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)bum BUM bum BUM bum BUM...
Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)onenote
(42,700 posts)"The arguments here and in the Court of Appeals were limited to absolute immunity and heightened need. The Court of Appeals, however, has directed that the case may be returned to the District Court, where the President may raise further arguments as appropriate."
Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)malaise
(268,949 posts)That is huge 7-2 - fucker does not have presidential immunity PERIOD
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I like beer.
n/t
UncleTomsEvilBrother
(945 posts)...and heads over to Freeperstan.
onenote
(42,700 posts)FROM THE OPINION: "We agree that Presidents may challenge specific subpoenas as impeding their Article II functions." "And although we affirm while Justice Thomas would vacate, we agree that this case will be remanded to the District Court."
demmiblue
(36,841 posts)kpete
(71,985 posts)Link to tweet
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TlalocW
(15,381 posts)Something tells me if the Tulsa Kid were up in the polls, it would have gone the other way so he would be protected for four more years. With a Biden presidency looking more likely, they didn't want him to have any kind of court advantage.
I had been pointing out to conservative friends that according to Trump and Barr, they had been taking the position that if a president does it, it's not illegal so whatever Obamagate is about, it ultimately doesn't matter. Since Obama broke into Trump Towers personally looking for the Russian Pee Tape or whatever while president, it's fine. They twisted themselves up in pretzels trying to leave Trump as untouchable while allowing for prosecution of Obama. Guess it's moot now.
TlalocW
empedocles
(15,751 posts)kpete
(71,985 posts)Link to tweet
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47of74
(18,470 posts)Is Susan mildly concerned now that he ruled against her hero Donnie?
Traildogbob
(8,717 posts)He has been screaming about Law and Order since the protests began. (no need for answers, we all know) But, thank God there is still be some law and order. Finally the long arm just stretched a little further.
mudstump
(342 posts)where his butt buddy, Putin can protect him.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)of law was in question.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)And if he wins in November, no doubt with the help of his personal criminal lawyer Barr, and an eager lapdog Senate ready to change the laws for him, he'll find a way to skirt the whole thing.
My question is ....Why did this even have to be ruled on in the first place? How is it not assumed already that the President must abide by the laws of the country he or she is governing? IMO the courts were complicit in dragging this on until its too late to make a difference in November.
calimary
(81,220 posts)HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!
Something that side of the aisle used to try to screw President Clinton comes back to bite their own guy right in the ass!