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Sanity Claws
(21,848 posts)I am Snoopy doing a happy dance!
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)"Given these safeguards and the Court's precedents, we cannot conclude that absolute immunity is necessary or appropriate under Article II or the Supremacy Clause. Our dissenting colleagues agree," the chief writes.
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)civil rights than average citizens do in terms of court proceedings...this is huge...BFD!!!
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)"The arguments here and in the Court of Appeals were limited to absolute immunity and heightened need. The Court of Appeals, however, has directed that the case may be returned to the District Court, where the President may raise further arguments as appropriate."
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)Like anything else, the president can challenge specific subpoenas for specific reasons, but he doesn't have blanket immunity to all of them.
leftieNanner
(15,100 posts)I'm guessing Beer Boy and Clarence.
rpannier
(24,329 posts)Response to rpannier (Reply #7)
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rpannier
(24,329 posts)I just figured Alito is such a you know what, that he was the other. TBH I would have been surprised if the 3nd were Thomas
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)leftieNanner
(15,100 posts)Misinformation. Got carried away.
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)for Trump. The rule of law won today. Trump's idea of being a dictator is over. He has to win the election and with many using paper and voting, I don't think he can cheat enough to win...he barely won last time and we elected Democratic governors in the states that gave him the EC win.
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dware
(12,375 posts)The 2 dissenters were Alito and Thomas, Kavanaugh ruled against him, as did Gorsuch.
Cha
(297,211 posts)Pissed!
mdbl
(4,973 posts)an a-hole that doesn't deserve to be on the bench.
safeinOhio
(32,676 posts)Response to safeinOhio (Reply #9)
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whopis01
(3,514 posts)leftieNanner
(15,100 posts)I'm wrong
TheRickles
(2,062 posts)They wrote the two dissents: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/09/nation/read-supreme-court-decision-president-trumps-taxes/
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
malaise
(268,997 posts)No presidential immunity
safeinOhio
(32,676 posts)No blanket immunity.
malaise
(268,997 posts)The institutions are standing up to this criminal
safeinOhio
(32,676 posts)if he does not win, he is screwed. Jail time.
Get out the vote please.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)"What dark secrets is Trump hiding in his taxes?"
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)A fine at worst.
Sorry to be a wet blanket. I have very limited faith in the Courts.
safeinOhio
(32,676 posts)drain his fake fortune dry.
Jowl boy said he is!
... and what's with Gorsuch? He was an Obama appointee right?
malaise
(268,997 posts)The entire court agreed that there is no such thing as presidential immunity.
That is a slap in the face at the fascist in chief and jowl boy
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)rpannier
(24,329 posts)loser clown that gets elected
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)malaise
(268,997 posts)He may think he wont his battle but he lost the war
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erronis
(15,250 posts)True Blue American
(17,984 posts)But they ruled against The House.
Talk about cutting the baby in half?
TheRickles
(2,062 posts)gab13by13
(21,337 posts)gab13by13
(21,337 posts)thoughts and prayers to Trump.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)gab13by13
(21,337 posts)gets fast tracked to testify, or are they claiming confidential information? It would seem to affect his subpoena as well, any lawyers out there?
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)Marthe48
(16,956 posts)that the Constitution is finally upheld!
patphil
(6,176 posts)I saw it on the CNN site.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/supreme-court-trump-decision-07-09-20/index.html
gab13by13
(21,337 posts)he may be the most partisan justice on the court.
RussellCattle
(1,535 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,413 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)usaf-vet
(6,186 posts)gab13by13
(21,337 posts)JudyM
(29,241 posts)Trump is decidedly not above the law. We are not completely adrift in the ocean, even though it has been feeling that way for far too long. He is answerable for state crimes he allegedly (cough) committed.
intheflow
(28,471 posts)to what you're quoting from? Thanks.
gab13by13
(21,337 posts)but I believe that a grand jury will now have access to Trump's taxes and financial records. Big trouble for Trump. Do they have a golf course close to a prison?
New York AG came through, please proceed.
onetexan
(13,041 posts)request them?
gab13by13
(21,337 posts)saying that his case was going to proceed. Neal Katyal was on cable news saying that the New York case could happen before the election. Once a trial starts then, I believe, that trump's financial records will be subject to disclosure. Trump will still fight the release of his taxes etc., but according to Katyal he won't have a leg to stand on and the case should proceed quickly.
With that said, Katyal is the only expert who feels that the NY case can happen before the election.
onetexan
(13,041 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,644 posts)Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)Saying they ruled in favor of Trump.
Are they trying to spin in his favor, or is info getting crossed somewhere.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)or probably for the next 6 months at the soonest.
They kicked both of them back to the lower courts to review the specific reasons they want to see the taxes. The SC ruled that he must show them, but the people asking need to state their specific reasons why they are relevant to their cases.
So Trump wins in that he doesn't have to show his taxes before the election. We all win because he will still have to show them and will be held accountable some day (hopefully) when the lower courts clarify how they can be used.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,118 posts)Adam Schiff is going to make it perfectly clear.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)saying he didn't have to provide them.
It is all a shell game with him, always moving the shells.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,118 posts)His words tend to be prophetic.
lastlib
(23,226 posts)and appeals courts will construe/apply the decision. There is plenty of wiggle room for tRumpski, although historically it is hard to quash subpoenas. He will surely argue that it impedes his function as presidunce, and if that argument carries any weight with the court, it will be after inauguration before he has to turn over anything. In any event, the public likely won't get to see any of it until a trial happens.
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)or at least that's what they seemed to say on MSNBC
SmartVoter22
(639 posts)No, Mr President, you do not have immunity.
You may not qualify for a public defender, but you can ask.
R B Garr
(16,953 posts)cab67
(2,993 posts)Trump will just ignore it.
His "lawyers" just have to put it off until Nov. That shouldn't be too hard.
Blue Owl
(50,363 posts)These fucks just go about their miserable way with no regard to anything lawful or decent.
I would be thrilled to see some justice served but not counting on it...
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,927 posts)pandr32
(11,583 posts)JUst woke up (Hawaii) to read this. I am smiling while drinking my coffee and it feels great! There usually isn't good news to put a grin on my face in the morning. May DT's losing continue.
Cha
(297,211 posts)what the out come would be?!
AllaN01Bear
(18,205 posts)not_the_one
(2,227 posts)Unfortunately, by the time the so-called "justice" is arrived at, there is nothing left but the grinding wheel. The barn has collapsed, the horse pulling the grinding wheel is dead. Fat lot of good it does then.
We really need to deal with deliberate delays that are solely for that reason, to delay justice. Those with the money can pay for the delays. The rest of us can't.
In many cases the litigants are dead before the case is resolved. In other cases it takes so long everyone loses interest, or gets lawsuit fatigue, and fold rather than continue, because they are broke. The "system" worked, but not for the people it was supposed to work for.
Our world famous "justice" system either works for every one, rich or poor, or it doesn't. I think the jury is already back on that verdict.
mvd
(65,173 posts)Dump thinks he is above the law. He is not.
Has Thomas EVER voted the right way on a big case like this? I dont remember one. Alito is a major partisan.
C_U_L8R
(45,002 posts)the one that claims a sitting President can't be prosecuted.
The one that stopped the Mueller investigation.
That's dead, right?
Lock him up.
(6,928 posts)... that will render that false immunity "memo" un-Constitutional and clearly invalid.
Then President Biden will be pleased to sign it into Law.
MAKE JUSTICE GREAT AGAIN
NO MORE FAKE "LAW & ORDER" CRIMINAL CONMAN IN THE WH
LOCK HIM UP!
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)Barr's Unitary Theory of the Executive didn't fare too well today. Trump is not one of the Untouchables.
kentuck
(111,094 posts)His client probably does?
Onlyserious
(103 posts)So, I think discussions with chief cheerleader/sycophant Pense have long since begun. Donald will allow Mama's Boy Pense to have a second campaign to run with the understanding that should they lose by an incontestable margin, The Don will resign on or about Jan. 13, allowing Pense to actually become president and Pense will pardon Trump for all crimes and misdemeanors up to that point. If Pense will or hasn't agree to this deal, then into the woodchopper he goes and Donald will Hail Mary a new running mate that would be cool with being President for a week. The new VP prospect will have to be shameless, reprehensible, and vicious. Sara Palin was all of that, but Trump can do much more damage with a Hannity or Carlson. Perhaps the ultimate Fan Boy, Lindsey Graham, maybe?
Sounds farfetched, I know. But who picked The Donald early on? (Except Putin--different meaning of the word "picked" of course.)
Lock him up.
(6,928 posts)He *could* not pardon New York State Law offenses.
NY conman will die in prison.
LOCK HIM UP!