Joy Reid's history is so problematic. I can't watch her

[bluedye33139]

I unplugged from cable television and luckily don't have MSNBC. Reid is extremely problematic. Her antigay history is astonishing.

Looking at the excerpts again, I am shocked. for instance, she once claimed that anti-gay people have a legitimate point when they are concerned about gay men being pedophiles.

Link to tweet

[ProudMNDemocrat]

1. Joy Reid is one of MSNBC's stars.....People change..

I for one watch Joy. I see her as one who has evolved. She is as progressive as I am, and I have progressed over time. She is also a terrific interviewer.

[Tipperary]

2. "People change."

I will remember this the next time someone else is called out for something done in the past.

[uponit7771]

9. Like Biden? tia

[Tipperary]

12. Not sure I get your point.

Biden was not my first, second, Third, or even fourth choice. I have a lot of problems with his past, but I support him as the nominee.

[uponit7771]

13. Biden has changed for the better actively and openly on a number of issues. No one is perfect its

... what people are good for now and how they work for the better.

Quality people are a commodity

[Mosby]

22. Biden was never a homophobe.

Some of his political positions have changed, that's hardly the same thing.

[uponit7771]

23. Neither was Reid and Biden wasn't progressive on a number of issues. I see double standard here

... relative to facts, Biden changing is OK but Reid changing is not.

hmmmmm

[dsc]

25. she literally called gay men child molesters

in the 2000's. I doubt you can find a single example of a Democratic politician doing that in the time frame she did. It would be damn hard to find examples from the 1990's. If that isn't homophobic, what on earth is?

[Sympthsical]

27. And she never took responsibility. Claimed hacking and never followed up.

She's a problem. I'm not sure why she gets a pass that sure as hell hasn't been extended to others.

Homophobes still get passes that we would never let fly for virulent racists.

[dsc]

30. true that

If we found out tomorrow that Ronan Farrow posted this kind of stuff about Black people no amount of Pulitzers would save his job.

[Tipperary]

82. This. nt

[Demsrule86]

147. I think you should stop using this OP to bash Biden...clearly that is what you are doing.

He is the Democratic nominee.

[uponit7771]

154. ... but silence on the overt double standard right? 🙄🙄🙄

[dsc]

156. It isn't a double standard

we have two choices for President (Biden and Trump). We have a nearly infinite choice for hosting that show. If the choice for hosting that show were her and Trump, then yes, she would be preferred to him.

[uponit7771]

174. ... and the virus is controlled too hunh? Look, gas lighting doesn't work here and its rude. Holding

... forgiving attitude towards one changed person but not the other in a similar situation is a double standard.

[dsc]

180. No it isn't it is treating different situations differently

Again, if it were Joy Reid vs Trump then yes, Joy Reid is preferable. It should also be noted that Biden ADMITTED WHAT HE DID while Reid LIED TO OUR FACES ABOUT WHAT SHE DID. And I am shouting since you insist upon pretending you don't know that.

[Demsrule86]

169. Joe Biden was fine on civil rights which is why he won the primary; he had AA support.

Joe Biden was always right on civil rights. The stuff that you have posted about how he 'evolved' on this issue is nonsense. Sure he changed with the times in some areas, but he always supported civil rights. To claim otherwise is an attack on our nominee whom you appear not to like very much. And it has not escaped my notice that you are using this OP to bash our nominee...not a good idea. to do so on this forum or any forum really...but on this one particularly offensive. I would also remind you the primary is over and only Biden can stop Trump...consider that important fact please.

[uponit7771]

173. No he was not fine on civil rights during the 80s, Biden like Reid changed for the better and has

... fought for civil rights with said changed mind.

Oh, saying I'm bashing doesn't make it so nor deter me for highlighting the overt double standard here.

Looks like some... WANT ... to view Reid in a certain way and no objective conversation is going to change that.

[Demsrule86]

179. Joe Biden was fine in the 80's. So I say you are wrong.

I don't care about Reid...if I like her show, I will watch it. If I don't, I will not watch it. What I care about is you are slandering our nominee...that is just plain wrong.

[uponit7771]

182. The ACLUs 60% rating on him during that period says you're wrong. Biden's civil rights record NOW ..

... is stellar and heartfelt and we see that.

Again, this is DU ... facts work here.

[dsc]

190. actually the ACLU is a civil liberties organization not a civil rights one

and thus their rating would speak to his record on civil liberties. While they often work in concert that isn't always the case. The ACLU opposes limits on donations, most civil rights groups favor them. The ACLU opposed hate crime laws, most civil rights groups favor them. The ACLU changed positions on that in 2005.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/campaign-contribution-limits (source on campaign donation limits)

[Demsrule86]

201. Nice try. but I have seen his rating.

[cwydro]

49. Joy Reid is no Joe Biden.

I don’t care for her either.

[PatSeg]

52. I used to watch her on the weekends

but after awhile I found her too exhausting and irritating. Its a shame, because she is really smart, but much too hyper. The final straw was when she kept bringing back super extreme right-wingers as guests just so she could take them down. It was so obviously a gimmick and absolutely pointless, other than to get video clips to show up online.

I had quit watching the 7:00 pm time slot on MSNBC because of Chris Matthews, and Steve Kornacki was barely watchable. I don't see Joy Reid as much of an improvement. I would have really preferred to see Brian Williams moved to 7:00 and then maybe Reid could go to the 11th hour slot.

Maybe if Reid could dial it down a few notches and decaffeinate, I might be able to watch her again. There is no good reason to talk that fast, at least if you want people to actually hear and digest what you are saying. And she could at least pretend to be listening to her guests, rather than looking like she is planning what she will say next, often cutting them off before they can even finish. Got enough of that from Chris Matthews, though I find Reid much more articulate.

Oh well, I just don't see her as the best choice for such a prime spot, but as I said, I quit watching MSNBC at 7:00.

[grantcart]

93. Agree, smart and interesting but a poor interviewer, mostly badgering people to

Agree with her point (usually a point I agree with).

Having said that she is smart and can learn, like we all can.

I wish her good luck.

[PatSeg]

107. There was an African American minister

who was a Trump surrogate that was totally off the wall. He did the whole fast talking filibuster thing that republicans are known for, saying outrageous stuff. She quickly put him in his place and everyone applauded her, but then she kept bringing him back and it all came across as premeditated and scripted. That was when I quit recording her show and rarely watched her afterward. I really think she should be better than that. It was really tacky, almost Jerry Springer like.

Yes, she can learn and maybe being on weeknights in a prime time slot, she may rein it in a bit. Meanwhile, I find myself avoiding watching her when she guest hosts the same way I avoid Steve Kornacki. The news the past few years has been exhausting and stressful enough, I really appreciate a more measured and professional pace from cable news hosts. The person delivering the news and commentary should not be a distraction from the material. When you start to notice the person and not hearing the story or reporting, they aren't doing their job.

Yes, I wish her luck as well and hope she becomes more seasoned.

[dmr]

112. Same here. I stopped watching on Saturday mornings, and

haven't watched her at seven.

I do enjoy Ari Velshi -- a lot. I like Brian William's and Lawrence O'Donnell too, and of course Michelle Wallace. These people not only let their guests talk, but they listen to them. I've grown tired of my old favorites who speak more than their guests, and I'm weary of the silly giddiness, and mocking done by others.

I just want the news and good conversations. I don't mind a differing opinion, either, so long as it's not intellectually insulting (which leaves out most GOP'ers).

[PatSeg]

124. Lately I've been enjoying Brian Williams

and Lawrence O'Donnell the most at night. Williams summarizes the whole day's news very efficiently and professionally. He throws in a bit of understated humor, but it is never a distraction, he just fits it in effortlessly. Clearly, of all the personalities on MSNBC, he is the most experienced and professional and it is really refreshing after watching gimmicks off and on for hours. Learn to read the news first and then add your own unique touches.

I like O'Donnell's presentation as well and his commentaries are excellent. The fact that he used to be a writer for The West Wing is evident.

Both Velshi and Wallace are outstanding and I often will go out of my way to watch Wallace during the day. She is very watchable and as you say no "silly giddiness". I don't want to be entertained, I want informed news and commentary from intelligent journalists. When I want entertainment, I watch Stephen Colbert or Seth Meyers.

[RhodeIslandOne]

148. No "silly giddiness" from Nicole Wallace?

Not really sure what show you guys are watching. It's toned down considerably since they are all not in the studio together, but her roundtables with jackasses like Kristol and Poderholz were insider yukfests.

[Demsrule86]

170. This OP is means for some to bash our nominee with impunity.

[Drunken Irishman]

77. Biden has not come anywhere near saying the hurtful things Joy has about gays.

Biden has changed. He also acknowledged that change. Joy said some really awful things about gays just over a decade ago. Biden was an advocate and ally by that point.

[wellst0nev0ter]

205. "You Ain't Black"

That was literally two months ago, but Biden is still more worthy of forgiveness than Reid.

Also, he has yet to apologize for these statements:

"I do not buy the concept, popular in the ’60s, which said, ‘We have suppressed the black man for 300 years and the white man is now far ahead in the race for everything our society offers. In order to even the score, we must now give the black man a head start, or even hold the white man back, to even the race."

"I don’t feel responsible for the sins of my father and grandfather. I feel responsible for what the situation is today, for the sins of my own generation. And I’ll be damned if I feel responsible to pay for what happened 300 years ago."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transcript-of-then-sen-biden-s-interview-with-the-people-paper/3d9be388-6871-4993-ae53-869a88c3c6eb_note.html?itid=lk_interstitial_manual_9&questionId=bdc5761e-0777-4db5-9d00-e22e67012c96

[Drunken Irishman]

206. Biden shouldn't apologize for any of those quotes. They're not hateful. Joy's have been.

Nice try but nothing you posted is in the realm of calling gays child molesters. What a shameful, dismissive comparison.

[Drunken Irishman]

209. Someone like me? What's that supposed to mean?

And I assume you think that comment is similar to calling gay men child molesters?

[bluedye33139]

3. She claimed she didn't write the blog posts.

I don't believe that.

She no longer makes anti-gay statements in public. I don't look upon that as a win. She lied about her anti-gay history.

[Tipperary]

8. Yeah, supposedly she was having the FBI look into the hacks?

Never heard anymore about that.

I would have had more respect for her if she simply fessed up and said she saw the error of her ways. The fact that she did not do do is troubling.

[StarfishSaver]

18. If she had lied to the FBI, they would have likely charged her

It sounds like the FBI believed her.

[aikoaiko]

26. Do we actually know if she contact the FBI and what she told them?

"shrug"

[StarfishSaver]

28. Her lawyer said she reported it to the FBI and they opened an investigation

I doubt the lawyer was lying.

If you have proof he was lying and, you may want to refer it to the New York Supreme Court for an investigation and possible disbarment for professional misconduct. Otherwise, I'll take his word for it.

[Sympthsical]

35. If she was hacked, and the FBI investigated and found out, she'd shout it from the rooftops

We never heard anything about it again. Just her claims.

Claims, btw, made by racists sometimes over twitter. "Oh, I was hacked!"

We didn't believe them. Why Reid gets this pass, I'll never know. Almost like homophobia just isn't as important as other bigotries.

[StarfishSaver]

40. You don't know that

But if she did, you probably still wouldn't believe her, so ...

I don't think she's getting a pass. She did something really objectionable. She's since apologized and has tried to make up for it. People can accept it or not. Some people have chosen not to. But choosing to accept her apology isn't "giving her a pass."

[Sympthsical]

43. She called gay men pedophiles

If she were a white man in the Klan 15 years ago, and he never took responsibility for that, would you be awesome about him having his own MSNBC show?

Let's be a little honest here.

Homophobia always gets minimized. It's gotten very boring.

[uponit7771]

103. +1, that and look at her actions on her shows that show she's change more than just words

[Tipperary]

58. You do not believe lawyers lie?

Ever heard of Jay Sekulow?

[StarfishSaver]

84. I don't have any reason to believe this lawyer lied. And neither do you

Other than you don't like his client.

[melman]

89. There's every reason to believe he lied

If not, then why is he the only one to ever mention anything about an FBI investigation?



Seriously, try to find anything that indicates this investigation was ever real. You won't be able to because it wasn't.

[StarfishSaver]

92. Hey, there!

It took longer than usual this time. Busy day?

[George II]

100. bwahahahahaha!!!!

[NurseJackie]

127. Ha!

[melman]

128. Ah

So you acknowledge there was no investigation. Thanks!

[George II]

98. If "There's every reason to believe he lied", why not give us just one of those "every" reasons?

[uponit7771]

175. Some wont, when asked to back up assertions it comes down to how one feels about her few really

... objective terms compared to other people.

[Tipperary]

133. I have nothing against her.

But I dislike homophobes. She, on the other hand, probably would not like the fact I am gay. Bigotry lives in all communities. And as another poster pointed out, had the FBI proven she was hacked...she would have shouted that from the tallest buildings lol.

Your defense of her does not surprise me in the least. There seems to be a wee bit of a double standard here somewhere. Hmm.

[grantcart]

95. No. Lying to the FBI is only a crime if you are lying on a material point to an underlying

federal crime.

If she filed an official police complaint with the local police then she could have been cited (misdemeanor) for filing a false police report.

[StarfishSaver]

104. That's not true

Making a materially false or fraudulent statement to the FBI is a crime under 18 U.S.C. § 1001 - it does not have to be related to "a material point to an underlying federal crime" in order to be a criminal offense.

[grantcart]

203. Materially false means material to a federal crime

No penalty for lying by itself. If you were at a girlfriends house on Tuesday night and they are asking about an event on Friday it's not material.

In this case saying that "I didn't write the blog" doesn't come within 1000 miles of a chargeable offense because

a) you would have to prove that it is a lie that she personally wrote and not someone who has access to the computer but that either she had exclusive access to the computer or that she typed it.

b) even if she did write it she could have forgotten it or suppressed it, thereby making it untrue but not a lie

C) Material, you use the word material to support your point when it proves mine. Material to what? A crime. When taking a statement FBI records the statements. Lies that are not material to the crime are not considered, as was done with Flynn. He made many misstatements but was only charged with lying to the FBI on statements that were material to an alleged federal crime.


d) We also learned from the Flynn case that the standard for FBI on lying to the FBI includes confronting the person that they know they are lying and offering them a chance to amend their statement.

Like Reid OK but not a fan but the idea that she did anything close to committing a chargeable violation of federal law is Looney tunes.

[StarfishSaver]

210. No, it doesn't

But I'm not going to waste my time arguing law with you.

Assume whatever you like.

[dsc]

7. what evidence do you have of her having evolved

She still, to this day, doesn't even admit having said this stuff. Then look at her behavior to Buttigieg's campaign vs how she treated Bloomberg's on a similar issue. She had a huge segment on Buttigieg's problems with the police in South Bend, including a journalist who literally called Buttigieg a lying mother fucker, and refused outright to let a person from his campaign appear (she would only accept him) then when Bloomberg's history with the police in NYC came up she let a spokesman for his campaign on for the discussion. Her treatment of Buttigieg was biased and unfair.

And BTW why is Buttigieg still not in DU spell check?

[JonLP24]

4. Joy Reid reminds of how Democrats reacted to LGBT rights until Obama evolved on the issue

Truthfully Obama signed something in 1996 indicating his full support for marriage equality so he evolved back to his original position.

[uponit7771]

6. +1, people change and work for the greater good and that's a good thing

[dsc]

10. really please find me some elected Democrats who served in the 1990's who called gay men child

molesters. Maybe Sam Nunn after that good luck. Even Gabbard, bad as she was on this issue in her early tenure didn't say that.

[Tipperary]

11. But President Obama never lied about his original stance.

He was honest throughout.

[dsc]

14. actually he might have lied but not the way Joy did

he did apparently support marriage equality in his first race for office, then he didn't later, and then switched again. Honestly I think it is more likely he supported it the entire time than he went from supporter, to non supporter, to supporter again.

[Sympthsical]

29. I remember some Democrats blaming us for Kerry's loss

They were vocal, nasty, and had no qualms about the LGBT community's "part" in his loss. If only we'd have sat down and shut up, Kerry would've won.

Yes, some Democrats said this. They've never apologized. They just pretend they were always the staunchest allies ever. I know better, and I remember the bullshit.

Reid intimated gay men are pedophiles. She spread that poison. Until she reckons with that, I will always have disdain for her. One cannot be forgiven unless one understands one needs forgiveness and seeks it out.

She figured and figures she can brazen through it. Newp. And her coverage of Buttigieg fired off all kinds of warning bells.

I do not think she's quite as reformed as she would have us think.

[JonLP24]

46. I agree

I didn't give my opinion on whether she should host or not only that she reminded me of those posters.

I remember the "mending fences" thread and the reasons for the thread.

[Hortensis]

91. Boy, is that not true for many of us. I haven't changed

my position on sexual orientation issues since I was a teen.

Yes, what jokes I would sit quiet for, or even not chuckle at, have changed -- the line not to be crossed in any era was meanness. Of course, most were mean and/or rejecting. And references mostly to homosexuality have changed to LGBTQ over those decades.

But commitment to equality and tolerance of every individual's right to pursuit of happiness don't change. It's the essence of what it is to be liberal by nature and principle.

Over 40 years ago I immediately threatened to take two fellow employees to HR ("Personnel&quot for trying to make trouble for a woman in another department whom I barely knew by sight. I'm only unusual in being a bit more willing to cause trouble in return than some. There are many, many millions of us.

[uponit7771]

5. But you can vote for Biden? Biden's ... past ... record on some civil rights issues aren't steller

... but we know damn well he's more than progressed to work for good now.

I can forgive people who change and work for good.

[bluedye33139]

21. If she were the Democratic nominee, I would vote for her.

But I won't willingly watch someone who shrieked anti-gay talking points for years.

It wasn't mere opposition to same-sex marriage, it was about 15 anti-gay talking points. Including the pedophilia one. Including the lesbian cabal conspiracy theory.

[womanofthehills]

51. But in your past posts you seem to have forgiven Tulsi Gabbards LGBT hate speech

All is forgiven with Tulsi Gabbards, but not Joy. Why??? So -you say Tulsi was raised that way. How is that different than Joy being raised evangelical??

[bluedye33139]

56. Yes, Gabbard has addressed her history much better

She did not lie about her history.

Because of her religious orientation, it is likely that to this day she believes that heterosexuality is a religious mandate. I have concluded that she's determined to vote progressively while still being open about her beliefs.

I can't say the same thing about Reid.

On the other hand, if Reid were the Democratic nominee for President, I would vote for her.

I'm not saying read needs to be erased from the human story. I'm just wishing she were more honest. The bullshit FBI story is pretty offensive, no? The story that somebody broke into her server and hacked it and posted things that actually reflected her views is absurd. It is offensive.

[Sympthsical]

34. She never proved she changed. Changed people take responsibility and seek forgiveness.

People like Obama and Biden clearly changed over the years.

Reid denies she did anything wrong. To this day.

And calling gay men pedophiles is as bigoted as homophobia gets. It's like a top three unforgivable bigotry. It's pure poison.

Then she went way up Buttigieg's ass during the primary.

There's a difference between changing and just pretending you didn't commit an egregious wrong against a community. She's still pretending.

She doesn't get a benefit of the doubt from this gay man. And I'm tired of people defending her. If she was white and in the Klan fifteen years ago, I don't think this defense of her would be quite so ardent on a liberal message board.

And yet, here we are.

[Demsrule86]

145. Biden was always for civil rights so please stop it.

[HipChick]

15. People evolve...

[Celerity]

24. She never retracted the lies. That obliterated her integrity.

Her credibility is shot, which is poison for a journo.

[Tipperary]

132. Thank you.

This is my problem with her. The failure to take responsibility, not the gay slurs from the past. I would give anyone a second chance, but first to be a homophobe and then not have the honor to admit it.

She showed who she is. And I believe her.

[LisaL]

16. Nobody is forcing anybody to watch anything.

Many people did things in the past they are not proud of.
Maybe we as a society should be more forgiving over something someone did or said decades ago.

[bluedye33139]

20. She said the anti-gay people are correct about gay men being pedophiles

I'm not okay with that.

She casually retailed the worst attacks on gay men available in our culture.

She claimed later that she never wrote the posts.

She stated that the FBI had been asked to investigate the crime.

These are abhorrent and bizarre actions.

[Wounded Bear]

17. A generation ago, the black community was pretty anti-gay in the aggregate...

Between the evangelical wing and the celebrity wing, most black leaders were pretty anti-gay.

Perhaps they came to realize that suppression of some is the same as the suppression of all and that maybe those who are discriminated against should band together instead of being divided and conquered.

[LakeArenal]

19. I'm not sure everyone evolves.

She was very much non-Biden. But now she’s “evolved”.

Personally have never liked her or her style.

[Celerity]

31. Who did she like? She slagged Biden, Bernie (which brought her much love from certain corners here),

Pete, etc. all the time. I think she was a big Harris booster, but would never hold that against Harris. Reid absolutely was anti Biden as you stated. She has zero credibility with me as she never retracted her blatant lies about being hacked.

I have never been a channel changer with MSNBC before, but will indeed start with Reid. I don't like liars, and I certainly do not trust unrepentant ones.

[octoberlib]

113. She was a big Warren supporter. She slagged Harris off, as well.

[Celerity]

140. Ahh, oki, I had forgotten that, thanks!

[demtenjeep]

32. STOP

all things are raining on FU45's parade and this is what you are worried about?




this is what we always do-eat our own-



TRUMP is the target

it is up to US to get him the fuck out of OUR WHITE HOUSE

[bluedye33139]

33. When someone says that I'm a pedophile, I will address that.

Thank you very much.

As I stated earlier, if she were the Democratic nominee for president, I would vote for her. But I would not fall silent because it is convenient for others or because my existence and dignity are bothersome to people.

[Demsrule86]

38. I would be more concerned with Joe Rogan who recently said that on the radio and

who has millions of followers...people evolve.

[bluedye33139]

59. You mean, you would be unable to find fault with both?

So you have to pick only one of the two to be upset about, and you would pick Joe Rogan?

I quibble with your methodology.

I, myself, can maintain two subjects simultaneously, and deplore both.

[Demsrule86]

121. One happened deep in the past...one never says those things now...(Joy). And

one Joe Rogan is a homophobic piece of shit today spreading his poison...suggest you consider working against the current threat...not a person who if she felt that way has evolved.

[bluedye33139]

122. So, I really do have to choose between them? I really do have to

change the entire subject of this thread to Joe Rogan and remove references to Joy Reid because both cannot be discussed?

I am not seeing the rationale for your suggestion.

When Rogan came out for Sanders, I said mean things about Rogan. Does this please you?

[Calista241]

194. What's specifically wrong with Rogan?

He endorsed Bernie, and has a diverse set of guests on his show (and I'll admit some of which are horrible), but many others are legit guests who have something valuable to say.

His podcasts with Neil deGrasse Tyson, Jon Stewart, and Tulsi Gabbard were all epic. He's had a whole bunch of scientists on his show, and he's worked hard to debunk flat earthers, anti-vaccine radicals and other crazies. Other than his support of MMA and guns, I don't really have a huge problem with him.

[bluedye33139]

196. "Child molestation turns people gay" is one problem

Most recently, it's the suggestion that people become gay because of pathology.

Historically, it's anti-gay and transphobic statements.

[Hortensis]

36. I'm no longer a fan, BUT what brought this up now?

Did you suddenly get "woked," as VP Biden would put it ( ), a couple decades after the fact?

Maybe look right. Because another giant, RW authoritarian double-semi is bearing down -- "at warp speed" as Trump would put it. And we may not survive this one. You wouldn't want only Joy Reids available to you in future, right?

[bluedye33139]

37. She was just moved to a permanent 7:00 slot on MSNBC.

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So, you want me to be silent about this until November 5th?

On what basis can you request my silence? I posted this because I do not like anti-gay activists and because the attacks she made on the gay community are horrific.

but sure, let's talk about this after the election.

[Demsrule86]

39. Than don't watch her...

[OnDoutside]

45. Well said.

[Demsrule86]

48. Thank you.

[dsc]

55. Honest question

If we found out tomorrow that Chris Hayes, posted in 2003 that Black men rape White women on a routine basis and thus it is quite understandable that White men hate Black men, and when we found out he said he had been hacked and provided no evidence, was forced to 'apologize' and said in that 'apology' I still don't think I posted that stuff but understand why you think I did; would you be OK with MSNBC having him on the air nightly at 8pm? If not, why should I and others be OK with Reid?

[Demsrule86]

120. It was 17 years ago...maybe he or (Reid) can not remember what they posted then.

People evolve. I see no anti-gay bias in Joy Reid today. She annoyed the shit out of me during the primaries with Biden...so, I stopped watching. Now, I watch again. I do like her in general.

[bluedye33139]

60. Thank you for permission not to watch her. I shall not.

But I will call attention to her deception and duplicity.

[Demsrule86]

117. Not to me you won't. I seriously don't care.

People change. I have a Gay daughter...and over time certain family members came around. I wonder what your agenda is or what you want to accomplish.

[bluedye33139]

119. Oh, you wonder what my purpose is.

When I saw the news this morning, I remembered how much I mistrusted her, and when I looked back at the hate she spewed, It doesn't sit well with me.

What do you make of her specifically anti lesbian material?

[Demsrule86]

171. What is the point? I believe she has evolved...and believe me I have more important

things to worry about than what Reid did many years ago...last year...some righties went on facebook and found out where my daughter's college unity group was meeting and showed up with guns. My concern is with this sort- not people who evolved over time. I welcome their support. They were late to the party but hey they showed up. My daughter endured harassment at her house too...we installed cameras (we own the house). I accept people can change...have seen it in my family. Thus I worry about current threats not this sort of thing. If you don't like Joy, watch something else. I would say again that Joe Rogan said worse and we defended here.

[bluedye33139]

172. I expressed my personal opinion.

Is there a rule against posting opinions that one holds? I don't see it anywhere in the terms of service or forum rules.

The outrageous smears and slurs and attacks on gay men and on lesbians are unacceptable.

She claimed that criminals wrote the posts, and recently she claimed that she may have written them in some kind of fugue state and cannot recall that period of her life.

These are not apologies.

There are more important things. Is there a forum rule that one can only post about the most important thing in the world with every post? I am unaware of this rule.

I find it misguided that you redirect to some cryptic motivation in me rather than actually dealing with the posts. I linked to a series of tweets with the actual excerpts in them. Reid has never apologized for them. Never.

[Demsrule86]

181. I did not say you needed to apologize nor did I ascribe 'cryptic motivation'.

I merely said I didn't understand where you were coming from and why you find this such a big deal. You have a right to express any opinion you choose, that was never in dispute. We can agree to disagree.

[bluedye33139]

188. It is unclear to me why you requested my personal motive

It is unclear to me what discussion of my motive has to do with this.

In your defense, you did not say that I need to apologize. You did, however, strongly suggest that I was wrong to speak.

The statements she made are abhorrent, and her non-apology is an insult. There are more important stories in the world, but with regard to Joy Reid, this is one of the top two stories or subjects related to her.

[Demsrule86]

199. Oh, let it go, was curious what motivated you...nothing else. Now I see no purpose in

continuing. What exactly do you think I meant?

[bluedye33139]

200. As I say, the ambiguity is open to multiple interpretations.

Possibly you were just expressing a friendly interest in me.

[Demsrule86]

202. That is what it was...I really don't care enough about this to have

any sort of intentions. I kind of like Joy although she pissed the crap out of me when she attacked Biden during the primary...stopped watching. Now I may watch or not...don't know. But I do believe people can evolve so not throwing her under the bus for that.

[bluedye33139]

204. I wish that she had handled this all better.

I don't want her to be fired or canceled. But I also don't want this subject to be ignored.

I am sorry if I was unpleasant.

[Demsrule86]

41. I don't see what you think you can accomplish...more pressing issues for me.

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[bluedye33139]

54. Oh, this was not a strategic post and I was not hoping to influence politics

What I was attempting to accomplish was calling attention to her anti-gay history and how she has been exonerated by straight people who like her.

I'm saying it doesn't sit well with me.

Expression of my personal view is my goal here.

[Hortensis]

47. MSNBC is helping the Republicans and those they serve retain

as much power as possible. Their middlin' LW audience is where they're focused on peeling and shaving. After all, it worked well in 2015-16. They were so pleased with Chuck Todd's deceiving and demoralizing Democrats in 2016 that in 2020 you almost can't turn on MSNBC without running into him.

So, knowing that all along of course, and since you're apparently paying attention, surely you've picked up on what Reid's been pushing on the Saturday show they chose her for?

The RW powers are desperate to break, or at least splinter, the great alliance of Americans gathered against them behind the Democratic banner.

So, imo, if you want to attack her, you'd do best to scrutinize her her new show to see what she's been put into that slot to push each evening, not into the distant past that she's formally denied, renounced and denounced. And I wouldn't wonder at that at all.

It's only what we should all be doing. Who knows? Maybe it'll show that the new management has somewhat different goals this election in spite of their plugging Todd in wherever and whenever they can and the continuation of 2016 behaviors in other MSM.

[demtenjeep]

61. Erin is pretty great on CNN and AC 360 is fantabulous

I watch them. Easy Peasy and I didn't have to shout it to the world

[bluedye33139]

66. So calling attention to her anti-gay smears and slurs is problematic?

I'm not certain I follow you. are you suggesting that I have somehow committed an impropriety by making a statement about my view?

[Totally Tunsie]

90. Are you sure Joy has the 8:00 p.m. slot? That would be Chris Hayes' time.

I thought she's replacing Chris Matthews at 7:00.

[bluedye33139]

106. Thank you. I will correct the time on my post.

[George II]

134. Joy Reid is not an anti-gay activist. The comments she made were about 15 years ago and....

....she has apologized profusely for those comments.

Are you familiar with the man who generally fills in for her on her AM Joy show, and is a close friend of hers?

[BlueLucy]

42. People change but not when they are still in denial.

She never took responsibility, this is what bothers me the most. I haven't watched her in a long time and won't.

[OnDoutside]

44. This is the old Northam shit again. People make mistakes, and learn from them. She's pretty damn

progressive now. Northam has turned out to be a very progressive Governor. Look at people's record over a long time before rushing to judgement.

[bigtree]

50. great program. Joy Reid is a good person.

...I'm sorry you were affected by her hurtful words, which she has apologized for.

[dsc]

57. No she hasn't and that is a huge part of the problem

in her 'apology' she literally says I still don't think I wrote those words but I understand why people think I did. She never, ever in that 'apology' says I am sorry for writing those words.

[uponit7771]

108. Where's the proof she wrote them vs her word, Why is Biden believed but Reid isn't? Again, these

... little double standards are popping up and people who deserve the benefit of the doubt don't get them.

She's not Bloomberg

[dsc]

126. the post appeared on DU from her blog at the time of it having been posted

the very post she claimed had been added by the Russians to the Wayback machine to frame her. It was quoted in real time here, on this website. The thread still exists in archives from the time. Yet she claimed that the Russians somehow planted into the Wayback machine to frame her years after. But it appeared here, in real time. That is my proof. As to the other, I am not blaming her for what Bloomberg did, I am blaming her for treating Buttigieg and Bloomberg differently.

[uponit7771]

142. Bloomberg used black people to score political points then try to act like he didn't know

... that it was hurting black people.

Read with ignorance of gay people repented ask for forgiveness via an apology and has changed her mind and ways

I don't see Bloomberg has done that other than shell out a ton of money

on the black lives matter issue he's missing in action

Yes, Bloomberg would do the same thing to get elected president that he didn't New York in a split second I don't Siri doing something like that bottom line she has changed her actions her mind in a word what more do people want?

[dsc]

144. which makes the fact she treated him better than Buttigieg all the worse

She accepted his spokesman but not Buttigieg's. That is my problem with what she did.

[BannonsLiver]

53. To those who say she has "evolved"

Does that apply to people like Steve Schmidt as well? Rick Wilson?

[JonLP24]

63. I'm not sure about Never Trumpers

Link to tweet

[melman]

71. You mean to tell me right wing shitbags don't just magically change?

I am SO shocked.

Link to tweet

[JonLP24]

72. +1

[melman]

73. Seems to me the people giving her a pass

are the exact same ones that love that crew.


As for me? I say to hell with all of them.

[BannonsLiver]

75. True to form.

“To hell with all of them.”

[melman]

76. Yeah

Racist right wing operatives and homophobic liars.


Yeah. To hell with all of them.

[George II]

114. This is a thread about Joy Reid. You calling her a racist? A right wing operative?

[uponit7771]

105. Of course if they've changed their illogical conservatives positions.

[treestar]

167. anyone who makes any kind of progress is a win

[unitedwethrive]

62. I don't think Joy Reid is a "good person" but I have noticed

that she now bends over backward to be nice and supportive when LBGTQ issues come up on her show. This alone is progress since most casual viewers don’t know her history, and any good exposure of the queer community furthers equality for everyone.

As a person, I’m pretty sure she’s like most other successful TV personalities…driven and ambitious. At least she’s smart enough to know how to maintain her audience and her reputation.

[bluedye33139]

65. I just wish it had all been handled better. The denial...

The denial, I suppose, is largely what stands out to me. It is dismissive, contemptuous, and her attitude appears to be that she can just not address this and pretend it never happened and everyone will love her.

And, weirdly, she seems to be correct about everyone loving her if she denies this and says it didn't happen. Apparently, the behavior is so minor and meaningless to some people that it doesn't even register.

[unitedwethrive]

94. Good points...recent history has shown us that denial is more powerful than apologies and asking for

forgiveness. It's certainly a bad precedent.

[Captain Stern]

64. Let's round up that firing squad, and put it in a circle....FIRE, ready, aim.

Why do we do this?

Why do we go out of our way to actually fuck ourselves over?

This is an election year. The goal is to win. That is the only goal.

There's not a secondary goal of shitting on other Democrats.

Joy Reid will still be around in 2021. How about complaining about her then?

[winstars]

67. Can't watch her? Then don't.

[bluedye33139]

68. I will not watch it, and I will call attention to her anti-gay history

Thanks for the permission!

[winstars]

69. No worries.

[ismnotwasm]

70. I have never watched her.

But I see you admire Tulsi Gabbard and seem to be able to forgive her.

[bluedye33139]

74. Yes, you want to have a conversation about Gabbard?

I could, I suppose.

What is the problem with Gabbard that you would like to address?

[ismnotwasm]

85. What are you talking about?

I was pointing out that you seem to be able to
Forgive Tulsi Gabbard, and have problems with Joy Reid on the same topic. Just looking for a little consistency since these type of threads are always sad in that train wreck kind of way.

[bluedye33139]

99. I was talking about Gabbard and your statement about my attitude toward her

Perhaps I should have been more clear.

You wish that I had not expressed the views that I've expressed, and it makes you sad that I've made these comments.

That's fair. I don't have ownership or control over your feelings.

Since you don't know what we're talking about, I'm going to end here.

[ismnotwasm]

123. Cool

You personally don’t make me sad. People who are homophobic in any way do. Excusing one Person for homophobia and not the other is disingenuous

[bluedye33139]

125. So you do want to talk about Gabbard

It seemed like dismissive gaslighting for you to read my posts, refer to their contents, and then shriek that you didn't know what I was talking about when I responded to you.

What elements of Gabbard do you wish to discuss?

What statements of mine did you actually want me to address?

Or, do you not know what I'm talking about.

[ismnotwasm]

143. Nothing to discuss buddy.

Your own words

What I liked about Tulsi Gabbard

I liked her boldly challenging our military presence around the world. I thought that her attacks on Hillary Clinton were stupid and misguided, but I agree with Gabbard that the United States has overdone its military policing of the globe. I think that many of our overseas engagements have been stupid and wasteful and misguided.

I liked her for her grudging acceptance that, even though she was raised to hate gays, LGBT people deserve equality and civil rights. I mistrusted her so much on gay issues because of her past, but I did come around to accept that she is a civil libertarian and believes in equality.

If not for the attacks on the DNC and attacks on Hillary Clinton, I would have wholeheartedly supported Gabbard. Her negatives seriously outweigh the positives, however. I'm not going to go into a full list of her negatives. I assume that we all know them!

[bluedye33139]

158. I wrote that and I still stand by it.

[melman]

146. "Excusing one Person for homophobia and not the other is disingenuous"

Then why give a pass to Joy Reid?

[George II]

155. Joy Reid IS not homophobic. She may have made some stupid homophobic comments....

....about 15 years ago, for which she sincerely apologized.

Anyone who thinks she's homophobic should ask her frequent guest and stand-in host (when she's on MTP Sunday morning) and one of her best friends.

I doubt that he'd agree with you.

[Sympthsical]

162. She didn't apologize. Straight people need to stop claiming this.

She never admitted to writing it. And calling gay men pedophiles is the #1 unforgivable homophobic remark.

I am enjoying straight people telling LGBTers how to feel about this, though.

Proceed. I'm just going to assume you don't know how bad it looks.

[George II]

185. She apologized for the posts from 2005-2006. She didn't apologize for those recent posts....

....because she never wrote them. She didn't deny that they were on her more recent site, she said they were.

Why apologize for something one didn't do?

Finally, don't assume anything about me, you know nothing about me.

[dsc]

191. She claimed she had been hacked by Russians on the wayback machine

in other words she claimed that the Russians targeted her in 2015 and planted the evidence. But her most offensive post was comment on here in real time. So he is lying to our faces. Oh, and the vast majority of Reid defenders claim she apologized for these posts too, so at least you are being honest.

[Kingofalldems]

86. Ahhhh----now I get it. Thanks.

[StarfishSaver]

88. That explains a lot

[moonscape]

135. Appreciate the context. Thanks. n/t

[maxsolomon]

78. You don't have cable,

so you literally can't watch her.

[bluedye33139]

80. Yes, the subject of me watching her is somewhat minor.

The larger issue, her anti-gay history and the fact that she literally lied about it and exhibited contempt at the idea that it even mattered, remains.

[Vinca]

79. People change, so I don't hold that against her. I don't watch because she monopolizes

conversations and barely lets her guests get a word in edgewise. It's like the return of Tweety.

[FreeState]

83. How has she changed?

I don’t see her trying to correct the actions of her past. Am I missing something? Has she donated to LGBT organizations and or tried to advocate for change?

[Vinca]

102. I have no idea, but I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Rachel Maddow seems quite cordial to her and I can't imagine Rachel would think the previous postings were okay.

[hunter]

81. Television is a rotten medium for news and opinion. It's little better than Facebook.

Personally, I'm much happier without it.

Television news personalities are never going to take down the rotten oligarchy that pays them.

Watching television news and opinion only seems to make viewers angry and ineffective.

The corrupt Republican Party needs to be taken down in a calculated way. That will be accomplished by reading, writing, direct conversation, boycotts, legal action, and yes, sometimes widespread protest. Those things are not encouraged by television. If you are involved in those things you are not watching television, which means less revenues for the oligarchs who own television.

My wife and I watch DVDs and Netflix. We never see commercials. We don't support the industry that made Trump president.

[Kingofalldems]

87. Another interesting thread.

We have at least one daily.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

96. I think people don't understand how things have drastically changed since the 00s...

...in the mainstream perception and acceptance of the gay community by the general public.

While things began to slowly change in the 90s, it really was not until well into the 2010s that people really began to see things differently.

And yes, people had to change, and it wasn't instantaneous . I fully admit, I changed. While I would love to say I've always had a fully evolved view on matters, it took me a while too. And part of it for me was growing up and becoming an adult, but it also tracked public perception as well.

I'm a big fan of the sitcom The King of Queens, which was popular during the 00s, and I still enjoy watching it on reruns. And it's still very, very funny to me for the most part. But on occasion, they'll throw in a joke about someone being perceived as gay as if its a negative, and yes, it's rather cringe-worthy looking at it now. But it really wasn't anything out of the ordinary back when it came out, even in the 00s.

So people like Joy Reid or Kevin Hart who may not have that fully evolved view back in the 00s that we had today, I'm not going to go overboard and crucify them for that, so long as their change--like mine--has been genuine.

[bluedye33139]

101. The last time Tina Fey hosted SNL

Her opening monologue contained a joke where she insulted cast members, and one cast member walked on stage and she said he was too gay and literally kicked him. And everyone laughed.

And that was just a few years ago.

Anti-gay attitudes are extremely common, and extremely accepted. I don't like it.

[wellst0nev0ter]

207. So cancel Tina Fey

[bluedye33139]

214. Cancel Tina Fey? That doesn't seem like an authentic suggestion

Personally, I'm not calling for her to be canceled

But you really think she should be removed from media? That seems like a hysterical overreaction.

Or if you're not speaking honestly, this seems like a really smarmy and cowardly and snide sneery condescending statement.

I'm hoping you were serious.

[octoberlib]

110. Really? They haven't changed that much on this forum. Ever read an OP on Lindsay Graham?

It's full of homophobic slurs.

[dsc]

129. There is a lot in that post

but you do kind of highlight my big issue, and that is the lack of a real apology. In Hart's case, that and not the posts themselves, are what cost him the Oscar gig. Had he not decided to be stubborn and refuse to apologize it would have blown completely over. In Reid's case, it wound up working for her anyhow, at least at MSNBC. It shouldn't have. To this day, she still hasn't acknowledged that the posts were hers. How can anyone trust what she reports when she lies about that? Had she apologized and actually shown contrition and made amends frankly there would be very few who would have a problem with her getting an anchor slot. Some might not like her due to style or substance (Ari Melber drives me up a tree with his idiotic ramblings about music and Steve K drives me up a tree with his constant manic style) but no one would be saying she is literally unfit.

[radius777]

164. Agree - gen-x and y culture had homophobic elements

even while being more politically pro-gay that prior generations.

Lots of sitcoms/movies/etc back then played on 'gayness' as a funny trait.

So you have two generations who are politically open to the LGBTQ movement - but have some stupid shit in their cultural past - are we going to write them off?

And it's going to be much more difficult for gen-y(millennials) as their entire lives has been lived online. Gen-x escaped slightly because we came of age at the dawn of the internet before social media.

Millennials are soon entering into middle age and thus the institutions (politics, journalism, etc) and when their stupid facebook posts are unearthed I wonder how that will play out.

[Azathoth]

97. Homophobia in the past isn't the problem. Lying in the present *is*

Her ridiculous lie about being "hacked" is not the behavior of someone who has "evolved."

[Celerity]

141. So much this. As a qeer female, I can forgive the homophobia if she owned

up to it apoogised, and had grown out if it. We all make mistakes. But as a critical thinker, I cannot forgive the still-clung-to (and on their face ludicrous) lies. Not having it. Nope.

[radius777]

217. Lying in this case is smart, just like Bill Clinton did.

Reid posted some stupid shit on a private blog many years ago. She never publically advocated against gays, and has in fact been a staunch advocate for LGBTQ rights for her entire public career.

She is basically being targeted by racists and far-leftists who don't like her and want to bring her down - thus it makes perfect sense to lie and say it was 'hacking' or some shit to protect her career (heights few black women would ever reach, up to now most of TV is white dominated) - just like Bill (smartly, justifiably) lied to protect his family.

[George II]

109. I've had issues with Joy Reid from time to time, but the last several years she's been....

....excellent. I look forward to her new show. Her staff does some great investigative work.

I hope she realizes that her show is not a preview to Chris Hayes who immediately follows her.

[octoberlib]

111. The other night she was talking about how people don't have to have experience in government

to run for President. Then, she used Reagan as an example of someone who had no experience in government. How can a political pundit not even be aware that Reagan was Governor of California before he ran for the Presidency? It was bizarre. I've always preferred Tiffany Cross, anyway.

[dsc]

137. wow that is bad

She is close to my age and I have memories (not fond to be sure) of Reagan. It really is bad if she didn't know that.

[demmiblue]

115. This eugenics post was particularly odious:

I am glad her gay daughter helped to set her straight (no pun intended).

[bluedye33139]

116. My sense is that people think she just had some mild opposition

to same sex marriage, and they just don't know about the actual posts.

[demmiblue]

118. I am OK with people who think she has changed and support her...

I am disgusted by the downplaying of her past virulent homophobia, as well as her lack of completely owning it.

Do I think she has changed? Yes. Does her past homophobia still bother me. Yes.

[KWR65]

130. People can be ignorant and then change thier view

President Obama was against Gay marriage when he took office and changed his mind. When I was a small child I had an older brother fill my head with anti-black stereo types and as I grew I learned that blacks are just like me.

[bluedye33139]

131. Yes, people can change. They can also lie.

Reid's contemptuous dismissal of this subject is troubling.

Do you actually believe that she requested an FBI investigation into the hack of her blog?

I mean, seriously, do you really believe that?

Did somebody hack into her blog and post articles that were entirely consistent with her viewpoint at the time against her will and she only learned about it in 2018?

How this gets swept under the rug baffles me.

[FreeState]

136. So can you point to where she has changed her views?

I haven't seen it anywhere, I'd be happy for that to be not true.

[Autumn]

138. I won't watch her show. nt

[FakeNoose]

139. Why are we even talking about this?

If you can't forgive anyone for their past mistakes that they have acknowledged and corrected, then your circle of friends must be very, very small.

Joy Reid is a professional woman who has written blogs in her distant past that she has acknowledged and she sincerely regrets. I've read her apology, and I'm fine with it. Most of us are.

We're already past it - why aren't you?

[bluedye33139]

151. We are talking about this because

I wrote a mild post calling attention to her history and an avalanche of straight people showed up to shout me down.

And I have politely responded to people, and I have yet to be persuaded that I must fall silent on this subject.

You yourself have introduced no actual reason for me not to address this.

She lied about the blog posts. She claimed that a crime was committed and that she has requested the FBI to investigate this. and yet the blog post represented views that she had openly made elsewhere.

There is zero possibility that her blog posts were the product of a criminal operation.

You believe that I should not call attention to this.

[FakeNoose]

152. It has already been discussed on DU ad nauseum

Take it personally - I don't care.

Joy Reid has apologized and most of us have forgiven her. It was a mistake she made in her youth and inexperience. We've all been there. She would never do the same now because she knows better.

[bluedye33139]

153. I get that you don't care, but that is not a valid reason why

I should not speak.

She has not apologized for the blog posts. She has claimed that they were written by criminals who hacked her blog.

You don't care enough to even be accurate.

[treestar]

166. The purity thing

It's like they'd rather people not evolve. What's the point if the old view is held against a person forever? And only because they want to prove they were right all along. They'd rather stay in the minority, apparently, and have nothing change, than see progress made.

[uponit7771]

176. +1

[bluedye33139]

198. "they" don't want people to evolve

Who are they?

[ecstatic]

149. I trust Rachel Maddow's opinion

and Rachel has continued to express friendship and solidarity with Joy Reid.

That being said, it is your right to dislike Reid for any reason, be it her alleged posts or all the anti-Bernie / anti-Biden comments she made during primary season.

[dsc]

157. alleged posts?

One of the posts was posted her in real time and commented on here by several posters. So no, it wasn't put in the wayback machine by Russian agents as she said.

[radius777]

159. The 'homophobe' thing is a smokescreen for white fear of an outspoken black woman.

Reid is fiercely outspoken about racial issues in a way that makes white America (including some white liberals) uncomfortable.

Reid has also spoken out about the harassment she and her staff have received from some in the Sanders camp/supporters - who view her as a 'neoliberal shill' or whatever (was noted above they have no problem with Gabbard despite her past far-right views on gays and other topics).

Reid's past comments to me, as a straight male PoC gen-x'er - seem almost mild compared to how we all talked back then.

Homophobic sentiment (even amongst those considered pro-gay) was very common up until the 2010s (as mentioned by other posters above) amongst those of gen-x and gen-y/millennials.

People change, and if people like Warren could be forgiven for being a Republican, then Reid could be forgiven for some homophobic shitposts a generation ago.

[Demonaut]

161. she's homophobic, no excuse

[uponit7771]

178. This is false, she ... WAS ... homophobic there's no excuse to hold her to that now

[Demonaut]

184. has she apologized?, if she has show me where, a link

I can't find it

[radius777]

216. No link needed. She's been a staunch advocate for LGBTQ rights for years now,

and never publically advocated for any RW policy - unlike Warren who was a Republican or Gabbard who was politically anti-LGBTQ.

Reid supposedly posted some anti-gay jokes/comments on an obscure private blog... everyone has posted some shit they later regret.

Let's face facts: Reid is disliked by some whites (especially older whites) due to her willingness to 'go there' and expose white America for their shitty ways.

[Demonaut]

219. no, a link is needed and you know why

and what are you saying?, I'm white?...lol...fuck

[dsc]

163. I am really tired of hearing this bullshit

Reid's problem is homophobia and dishonesty plain and simple. Had Ronan Farrow or Anderson Cooper said about Black people what she said about gay men, lesbian, and the transgender community and then lied to our faces about it, she would be the very first to say they had to go. And I would be right there agreeing with her. What you are basically saying is since she is Black the LGBT community should just let her be. No, she literally called gay men child molesters and said that is why straight men hate gay men. Just imagine if Ronan Farrow had said Black men rape White women and that his why White men hate them, no amount of Pulitzers could save him from the unemployment line.

[Behind the Aegis]

168. Fun to watch privilege in action, right?

Interesting how many HATE "mansplaining'" and "whitesplaining" but don't have a fucking problem with straightsplaining! Just like the fact that both mansplaining and whitesplaining are not "tagged" as misspelled here, but straightsplaining is!

"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."

[Sympthsical]

165. Are you really saying gay people are being racist for having a problem with her?!

Holy shit. Are you really trying to make that play?

She called gay men pedophiles and never, not once, apologized for it!

But somehow gay people are the problem?

Are you sure you're on the right message board?

Unbelievable. Truly. And homophobic as shit. Check yourself. Hard.

[Fix The Stupid]

186. Wow... definition of "black privilege" here.

It's ok to be a raging homophobe because she's black.

And lower and lower this board goes...

[madville]

192. She's a proven liar and never took ownership of her actions

She straight up lied to her audience and everyone else claiming she was hacked, zero credibility and a bigot.

[FreeState]

213. "People change" show where she has please

because I dont see any change or her trying to right her wrongs.

[Demonaut]

160. I agree, she has not apologized, she was just astonished on her words

[LexVegas]

177. I love Joy. If you don't like her, don't watch. Quite simple.

[dsc]

183. So if we found out that Chris Hayes posted in 2003

that well Black men rape White women so of course White men hate Black Men, then claimed he had been hacked by the Russians and refused to acknowledge posting this stuff let alone apologize; would you be OK with MSNBC keeping him at 8 pm? If the answer is no, then why should I be OK with Joy Reid at 7 pm?

[LexVegas]

187. I don't like or watch Chris Hayes, so I probably wouldn't care either way. nt

[bluedye33139]

189. And the moral culpability of people who sweep this under the rug?

I hope that's a subject I can discuss, also.

[dsc]

193. Only if straight people let you

[LexVegas]

195. Have at it.

[bluedye33139]

197. It's so wonderful to see you waving at me

People who sweep this under the rug and are contemptuous of the idea that homophobia is even a problem are terrible people.

Thank you for giving me the permission to say this.

[FreeState]

211. This whole thread

is a disgrace - as a gay person its "support" like this that make me feel unwelcome or equal in the party.

[bluedye33139]

212. I have to assume people didn't know about this in detail

Most people think that she just said some mildly inappropriate things, and then because they refuse to actually look at what she said, they continue to think that.

There's a small number of people who know exactly what she said and DGAF.

[FreeState]

215. Yep

It's disheartening to say the least. And when we try and point out why its so wrong and hurtful we are constantly told we dont understand or that they have gay friends that dont agree so its okay. It's mind boggling.

[radius777]

218. White gays still benefit from white privilege, let's not forget that.

PoC straights do benefit from straight privilege - but white privilege is far greater than any other type of privilege.

Reid posted some stupid comments on a private blog many years ago - but has never publically advocated against gays, and in fact has spent her entire career as a staunch advocate for LGBTQ rights.

Those who don't like her, let's face it, are threatened by her tenacity in exposing white America's racism - makes alot of people (including some white liberals) uncomfortable.