The rule about employer provided insurance that covers contraception

[question everything]

The Supreme Court ruled on this some years back, when the Hobby Lobby asked them. What is the difference? From the point of law, that is.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

1. Nor should ED meds be covered....

If women cannot be covered from getting knocked up, nor should men be covered for being able to get it up.

Sorry for the crude analogy. This is about CONTROL of women's bodies and decisions made for medical reasons as well.

[TreasonousBastard]

4. Just for fun, how about the argument that...

ED meds fix something that's wrong with the body, while contraception interferes with how the body is supposed to work.

Don't shoot me-- I'm just proposing that for the sake of discussion. Why is, or isn't, it a valid argument? It will come up at some point, if it hasn't already.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

5. The counter argument will be for Contraception.....

Based on medical fact that using Contraception....

1) Regulates hormal balances so that the body CAN work as it should...

2) Helps with women who suffers from Migranes.

3) Deals with Endometriosis and Uterine cysts.

4) Stymie Ovarian disfunction.

Using ED meds for men is opening blood vessels important for achieving erections.

[brewens]

7. How about fertility drugs? If there was a god, wouldn't it be gods will that a couple can't

conceive?

[blueinredohio]

8. I agree wholeheartedly.

Also Wouldn't covering birth control be a lot cheaper than paying a delivery bill and insuring a child for eighteen years?

[Hoyt]

12. That's one reason most employer plans won't deny contraceptives. The other is, most employers aren't

into the politics of contraception, abortions, etc.

[unc70]

9. Almost no insurance covers ED drugs

Even when required as follow up treatment for prostate cancer. Generic prescriptions run $800/year or more. I strongly support full coverage of birth control and of ED.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. Hobby Lobby said the "sincerely held beliefs" of the owner of the employing company was

an acceptable level for an exemption. This decision holds that the religious or moral values of the employing organization are enough for an exemption. Hobby Lobby, the owner didn't like birth control. In Little Sisters, the Little Sisters of the Poor don't like birth control.

[moose65]

6. That sounds crazy to me

They don't think that married women should have access to contraceptives?? Don't they know that women take contraceptives for other reasons besides birth control?

It is just SO weird to me that these people who usually preach about personal responsibility don't think that the womenfolk have the good sense to decide what is right for their own bodies. Boggles the mind.

Also, they would NEVER deny a man any kind of treatment for anything.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

14. Hobby Lobby invests in Contraception companies....

From 2014 after the ruling came down..
[link:https://money.cnn.com/2014/07/01/investing/hobby-lobby-401k-contraception|

[link:https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/hobby-lobby-retirement-plan-invested-emergency-contraception-and-abortion-drug-makers/|

[link:https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/04/01/hobby-lobby-401k-discovered-to-be-investor-in-numerous-abortion-and-contraception-products-while-claiming-religious-objection/#396fc5011b38|

Whether Hobby Lobby still does, I have seen no further information on the internet.

[unblock]

3. My understanding was the hobby lobby case only dealt with private companies

This latest case holds for public companies as well, afaik

[question everything]

15. The "little sisters" are a public company?

[unblock]

16. not likely, but i haven't found anything in any article that says that matters.

i haven't read the opinion, but the media coverage suggests it applies more generally.

[dsc]

10. Trump expanded the rule

Under the first rule, a business could refuse but had to let the government know they refused so other arrangements could be made and the employee would still get the BC. Trump's rule ditches the need to notify and thus the employee doesn't get the BC. Also Trump expanded who gets to object so that one only had to have a moral objection not a religious one.

[Eliot Rosewater]

11. Great news for me, however...my religion says heart attacks and cancer

are caused by your interaction with the devil so my 2000 employees now have NO coverage for either.

Lowers my premiums a bunch, as you can imagine...and being a rightwing pretend xtian, I cant WAIT for them to start dying.


THAT is what this is about.

ABSURD they would make this ruling...

[Hoyt]

13. Fortunately, most employers won't change their health plans to deny contraceptives.