Is this some new bs on reichwing media about masks? A friend's rw SIL says that surgeons

[niyad]

don't wear masks continuously during an operation (in response to a comment that surgical teams sometimes operate for many hours, masked). She said that that was not true, that they take breaks, go out of the OR, change, etc. this person is an ICU nurse, but a devout trumpian.

[uponit7771]

1. K&R, They are at the make shit up portion of their no mask defense now

[RockRaven]

2. For the most part that is false. Only in very rare circumstances or extraordinarily long

surgeries do surgeons do that. The overwhelming majority of surgeries are performed uninterrupted in that regard.

[Tink41]

3. I did clinicals for 6 months

In the OR 2 different hospitals, as a Surgical Tech. Everyone in the room is masked, even the reps for surgical equipment. You don't go in that room without eye protection and a mask. The majority of our training was aseptic technique. The OR suite is closed off from the
rest of hospital due to the air exchange, pressurized air. Seems ICU nurse hasn't spent anytime in an OR. I need to add to this after re-reading OP. Surgeons do sometimes leave the room, various reasons. they do remove gown, gloves, and masks. But they do re-scrub, mask, eye protection, gown and glove upon returning. Not sure what removing mask after leaving the OR has to do with anything.

[niyad]

6. Even I, who spend as little time in hospitals as possible, strictly as a visitor, know that.

That this ICU nurse believes that bs is disturbing.

[safeinOhio]

26. I was in ICU a month ago

and everyone was wearing mask in the hall ways, including doctors.

[dalton99a]

10. 'Facebook' nurses tend to be ICU nurses - very busy saving lives 24/7

'Facebook' vets tend to have combat medals - lots of combat action

[niyad]

16. No, this is the SIL of a very dear friend. The woman really is an ICU nurse.

But this nurse is, alas, a trumpian. My friend is the only sane one in the entire family.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

32. I would not want to be her patiend in that ICU.

I have a feeling we couldn't trust her to follow any procedures correctly.

[niyad]

55. Sadly, I agree with you.

[dalton99a]

4. Now we know where post-op complications come from

Surgeons take a break and sneeze on the incision

[brush]

5. And who is asking anyone to wear masks 24/7? You wear them...

around other people in enclosed spaces when shopping, etc., or when dealing with drive-thru attendants who also wear a mask when dealing with you. You do your business and get the hell out. Take it off when you get in your car if you want. Outside of course you're safer but should use caution even on crowded beaches or outdoor parties.

It's not rocket science but I guess they want to linger at bars shoulder-to-shoulder maskless, or in sit-in restaurants for an hour or so, or trump rallies. And of course we've all seen since these re-openings that bars have been the super spreader venues, along with rallies, crowded church services, etc.

Hard to believe so many repugs are stupid enough to follow their maskless, orange turd leader in not wanting to wear masks when he's proven over the years that he doesn't make smart decisions, as attested to by the skyrocketing infection rates in the states that re-opened way too early at his insistence.

[niyad]

8. I just shake my head in horror at the dangerous stupidity.

[Wounded Bear]

7. Sure, they take their masks off...after the fucking patient dies.

[Olafjoy]

9. Nope. Total BS.

Hubs and I both MDs. Hubs is anesthesiologist. He wears masks for hours and hours and hours. Has never passed out or been poisoned by CO2 BECAUSE THAT IS A LOAD OF BULL💩. That lady can go shut her flapper.

[Amy-Strange]

12. Hours and hours and hours, really?

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No bathroom breaks whatsoever?

That doesn't sound right.
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[gristy]

13. ??

Yes, some operations take a long time. And what is this bathroom break thing you bring up now? We were discussing masks...

[Amy-Strange]

15. ???

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So?

I was responding to the statement that the nurse in the original OP was talking bullshit, and she's not.

Doctors do NOT stay in the operating room for hours and hours and hours consecutively wearing mask.

As far as wearing mask 24/7, who the hell does that?
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[Tink41]

59. I trained as a Surgical Tech

We were told by our instructor 1st day of class, you hold it! Sometimes there is no relief for you. Surgeons as well. I did clinicals for 6 months, we all wore masks for hours and hours everyday, while in surgery.

[Greybnk48]

64. Former surgical tech here too (10 years in the O.R.)

If you have to pee, you hold it. Docs too, bladder infections be damned.

We stayed scrubbed in for HOURS sometimes with lead aprons on under our gowns (for ortho). When the case was over, our scrubs would be soaked with sweat.

These assholes that can't put on a mask to pick up their carry-out meal could use a louisville slugger to the kneecap. I boil when I see videos of these horrid people.

[Squinch]

25. Amy thinks going to the bathroom supports the woman's contention that people don't

continuously wear masks during operations.

Amy is being silly.

[ProfessorGAC]

35. +1

She is engaging in a pointless exercise in contrariness.

[Amy-Strange]

38. Predicated on the fact that I'm right.

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What part exactly is she wrong about?

Are you saying that doctors NEVER take a break during an operation?

If I were a doctor, and I had to take a bathroom break, I definitely wouldn't return with the same mask on.
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[ProfessorGAC]

46. Keep At It, Quixote!

My philosophy is when someone is digging themselves into a trench, either stand by for the amusement or hand them a bigger shovel.
You want a bigger shovel?
I'm now not trusting you understand the concept of connotation.

[Amy-Strange]

47. In other words...

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you don't think it's probably true that doctors sometimes take breaks during long surgeries, because that's really all I'm arguing.
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[ProfessorGAC]

48. Putting Words In My Mouth, Means...

...you know you've got nothing!
I never suggested any such thing, Don!

[Amy-Strange]

49. You agree with me then that...

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it's probably true that doctors sometimes take breaks during long surgeries.

Thank you.
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[LanternWaste]

63. Seems pretty righteous to dig in so deep as you on a mere irrelevance.

But I get it... we often need even the smallest of self-defined wins to maintain the pretense we want advertised.

[BruceWane]

17. Foresight

I would guess that most folks who are smart enough to work in an OR are also smart enough to have a pre-op procedure list that includes "go to bathroom". Kinda like goin' on a road trip........

And in case a bathroom break becomes neccessary, you go basically go through the same pre-op scrub/gown/mask procedure as when you started.

[Amy-Strange]

20. Thank you n/t

[niyad]

18. I just heard about the Co2 "deaths" yesterday. Must remind myself to find a new spot on the

wall to bang my head. Almost worn through the current one.

[mucifer]

11. With covid doctors nurses janitors food staff EVERYONE is wearing masks for 8-12 hours in

the hospitals. Yeah they may have breaks. But, seriously what would that have to do with people wearing masks on walks or going to stores?

[Squinch]

36. THIS is the real issue. There are very few people who can't wear a mask.

If you have a facial burn, OK, but I'd hope you'd wear a shield.

Other than that, these people are just a bunch of bullshit peddlers.

[keithbvadu2]

14. El Paso hospital forced to call out Trump's lie that surgeons left the operating room to see him

El Paso hospital forced to call out Trump's lie that surgeons left the operating room to see him

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212401325

https://www.kvia.com/lifestyle/health/umc-disputes-trump-claim-that-doctors-left-operating-room-to-see-him-because-of-love-for-president/1112271427

[Squinch]

19. She's full of shit. I once was in an operation room to observe a 10 hour surgery.

No one took their masks off in the operating room. They took a single bathroom break after about 6 hours.

[Amy-Strange]

21. She's NOT full of shit, and...

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you proved it with your post.

Maybe you should read what she said again:

"She said that that was not true, that they take breaks, go out of the OR, change, etc. this person is an ICU nurse, but a devout trumpian."
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[Squinch]

24. Poor Amy. It means you and she can wear your masks for 6 hour stints.

[Amy-Strange]

30. And the problem with that is?

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n/t
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[Squinch]

37. Amy, you said above that you don't believe people wear masks for hours and

hours during surgeries.

You are wrong.

[Amy-Strange]

39. That's not what I said, and...

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that's why YOU are wrong.
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[Squinch]

40. .

[LizBeth]

33. She said they do not go hours and hours wearing a mask. 6 hours would be hours and hours.

[Amy-Strange]

41. If I had to take a break during surgery...

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I definitely wouldn't return with the same mask on.
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[LizBeth]

43. They went 6 hours without a break. That is hours and hours with same mask, on. Just say you are

corrected and let it go instead of struggling so hard to try and wiggle your original statement as a fact. This is old.

[Amy-Strange]

44. All I'm saying is that it's probably true that...

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doctors sometimes take breaks during long surgeries.

Why wouldn't they?
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[LizBeth]

52. No one is arguing that nor does anyone care. Irrelevant. Just keep on arguing a point we are all

aware of. Whatever.

[Amy-Strange]

53. Everyone is calling bullshit on what she said, and...

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they're also putting words in her mouth, that aren't even in the original OP, but I agree that it's a waste of my time, and I will stop.
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[LizBeth]

54. Because it is and we all know it.

[obamanut2012]

61. nobody said that

keep moving those goalposts

[Hortensis]

27. Yes. Wish someone would record her and provide it

to the hospital administration where she works. She's misusing her hospital's credibility to spread lies about it and needs a serious talking to.

[Squinch]

28. Well, and it's likely being used as an excuse for why she can't wear a mask when she

goes to the grocery store. It's nuts.

And I wouldn't want her anywhere near an ICU where I was being treated.

[Hortensis]

29. Oh, if she's not wearing a mask herself!

I somehow doubt that, but so agree. Pretty sure that'd violate some very firm rules.

[Amy-Strange]

31. What exactly did she do wrong?

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n/t
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[Amy-Strange]

45. You could be right about her excuse, but...

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that's not what the OP said.

I thinks it's probably true that doctors sometimes take breaks during long surgeries.

Why wouldn't they?
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[Horse with no Name]

22. I reread this

Some people rotate in and out. Not all
Generally there are relief scrubs and circulating nurses.
We did a 28 hour case that was very highly publicized. They rotated 3 different teams in and out.
That still doesn’t matter. There are some staff/surgeons that don’t rotate out.

[Sogo]

23. The best meme I've seen about anti-maskers

is the one where a guy is pictured standing in full hunting camo with nothing more than a slit for his eyes, which were also covered with sunglasses.

Caption: You can wear this, covered in deer piss for eight hours, but you can't wear a mask to walk into a store for a few minutes?

[niyad]

56. I have seen that one. And the prep per/survivalist one. Cracks me up.

[Happy Hoosier]

34. Bullshit. If they leaving the OR and unmask....

they would have to scrub-up again.

[Amy-Strange]

42. Yeah, so?

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What's wrong with scrubbing up again?

I think that it's probably true that doctors sometimes take breaks during long operations.

Why wouldn't they?
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[Happy Hoosier]

50. You think they do that?

Not routinely. At least my buddy who is an orthopedic surgeon laughed this off. He said unless there are extenuating circumstances, this is not done.

[Amy-Strange]

51. You're probably right, but...

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it does happen, and I think she's probably right that it does, but she didn't exactly say it that way, and that's the problem here I think.
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[Javaman]

57. Because shopping at a Walmart is just like an

8 hour surgery

[onethatcares]

60. sometimes, they

go to the Olive Garden for the special. It depends on how hungry they get...

I know it's lame but I gotta get some humor somewhere.

[niyad]

62. I thought they used delivery??