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sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 06:51 PM Jul 2020

ROBERT MUELLER BREAKS HIS SILENCE:

ROBERT MUELLER BREAKS HIS SILENCE: “The Russia investigation was of paramount importance. [Roger] Stone was prosecuted and convicted because he committed federal crimes. He remains a convicted felon, and rightly so.”




Mueller on why Stone was a “central figure:” He “communicated in 2016 with individuals known to us to be Russian intelligence officers, and he claimed advance knowledge of WikiLeaks’ release of emails stolen by those Russian intelligence officers.”




Rosenstein joins in tooo...


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ROBERT MUELLER BREAKS HIS SILENCE: (Original Post) sunonmars Jul 2020 OP
So, what does that do for us? dhol82 Jul 2020 #1
Nut'n'Honey...! regnaD kciN Jul 2020 #19
Yup. dhol82 Jul 2020 #23
Not much with Jabba the Barr as AG. paleotn Jul 2020 #29
Might be better at this point for the house to see if they have pardon powers. plimsoll Jul 2020 #44
The Cult of Dump don't care. LakeArenal Jul 2020 #2
Too little, too late. blueinredohio Jul 2020 #3
bob-bob-bob, bob-bob you-ran! sprinkleeninow Jul 2020 #25
Captain Obvious PNW-Dem Jul 2020 #32
Perfect timing..... As usual.... nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2020 #4
Right? Nevilledog Jul 2020 #7
Thanks Bob. smirkymonkey Jul 2020 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #6
I may be mistaken but are you confusing Mueller with Comey? JonLP24 Jul 2020 #8
Brain Cramp ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #15
I don't think Captain Obvious Mueller is playing with a full deck these days. Goodheart Jul 2020 #9
I think I agree. Polly Hennessey Jul 2020 #13
his supposed condition or state still hasn't had an effect on him to sprinkleeninow Jul 2020 #26
I do remember people bringing it up catchnrelease Jul 2020 #46
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2020 #16
The time for Honor has passed, Under The Radar Jul 2020 #10
And stone was just commuted in time Javaman Jul 2020 #11
K&R spanone Jul 2020 #12
Well, he is wrongly free now. warmfeet Jul 2020 #14
Whatever Blue Owl Jul 2020 #17
It's worth reading the full article canetoad Jul 2020 #18
Paywalled unfortunately. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #35
Too late, asshole. grumpyduck Jul 2020 #20
Yeah, your team was great. stillcool Jul 2020 #21
If Mueller Would Have Said This Before Trump Commuted Stone's Sentence .... global1 Jul 2020 #22
Not a chance. plimsoll Jul 2020 #45
empty words AlexSFCA Jul 2020 #24
Thanks to your silence on all the obscure redactions, Robert... Lock him up. Jul 2020 #27
Go back into your hole Mr. Murller. You spit the bit. dem4decades Jul 2020 #28
Who gives a shit? hotrod0808 Jul 2020 #30
Don't get too comfortable, Mr. Stone... paleotn Jul 2020 #31
Sorry, Bob. Too little, too late. MadMike47 Jul 2020 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Eyeball_Kid Jul 2020 #34
I don't know why people are attacking Mueller JI7 Jul 2020 #36
I don't understand it, either. MelissaB Jul 2020 #37
He said he found no evidence trump or his campaign colluded/cooperated/ Hoyt Jul 2020 #41
Bob, a day late and a dollar short. Thanks for nothing. jrthin Jul 2020 #38
Mueller sticks his head out just in time to play "Save Ass." Where were you, Bobby? NBachers Jul 2020 #39
Eat Sh't Mueller.you failed in your core duty to the country. Pepsidog Jul 2020 #40
All you had to say is edhopper Jul 2020 #42
Go fuck yourself, Bob. Blecht Jul 2020 #43

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
29. Not much with Jabba the Barr as AG.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:42 PM
Jul 2020

But a new AG might find things interesting. I doubt the current charges are the only thing Stone can be charged with, given unimpeded investigations. If I were in his shoes, I'd be checking out relatively nice countries that lack extradition treaties with the US. Just a thought.

plimsoll

(1,668 posts)
44. Might be better at this point for the house to see if they have pardon powers.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 09:35 PM
Jul 2020

Now he's convicted, but protected by the Fifth Amendment. If he's pardoned and subpoenaed he has no protection from the 5th and must testify. If he lies again, new charges. Trump can keep pardoning him, but each time it is more and more apparent that Trump and Stone have something really bad to hide.

Response to sunonmars (Original post)

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
8. I may be mistaken but are you confusing Mueller with Comey?
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:01 PM
Jul 2020

These lines sound like James Comey

No rational, unbiased actor would have raised "her emails" that close to the election because a pervert married to a staffer got caught being a creep.
That shows terrible judgment or willful political bias.

The rest sounds like Robert Mueller.

ProfessorGAC

(65,000 posts)
15. Brain Cramp
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:21 PM
Jul 2020

I'll delete.
Except for the part about screwing up the Russia thing, yes I mixed 2 different issues.
Must be more tired than I feel.

Goodheart

(5,321 posts)
9. I don't think Captain Obvious Mueller is playing with a full deck these days.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:03 PM
Jul 2020

Even so, I wish he would just kindly shut the fuck up if he has nothing to ADD.

Polly Hennessey

(6,793 posts)
13. I think I agree.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:16 PM
Jul 2020

I saw a clip of his testimony on Rachael last night. He seemed either confused, beaten down, or intimidated. Why didn’t we notice it at the time. Something seems off about Mueller. Why does it seem so easy for tRump to frighten people.

sprinkleeninow

(20,237 posts)
26. his supposed condition or state still hasn't had an effect on him to
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:40 PM
Jul 2020
EMBRACE BEING A DEMOCRAT.

still a repugnicant

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
46. I do remember people bringing it up
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 09:43 PM
Jul 2020

Some said Mueller seemed distracted or not as sharp as he had been expected to be. Like you say, confused or ? That he might be ill. I didn't watch so I can't say one way or the other. But kind of infuriating that he's getting fired up now. Thanks Bob.

Under The Radar

(3,401 posts)
10. The time for Honor has passed,
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:09 PM
Jul 2020

Telling us the truth now doesn’t do us a lot of good when it is too late. But at least you have been able to clear your conscious while preventing any wrath from the childish tyrant.

Javaman

(62,521 posts)
11. And stone was just commuted in time
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:15 PM
Jul 2020

To pull some bullshit to allow the walking crater to steal the election

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
14. Well, he is wrongly free now.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:19 PM
Jul 2020

So what now?

There has been a great deal of talking about right and wrong, with the only action I have observed being wrong.

So what now?

Where do we go from here?

Mueller can divulge much more than he has.

Why doesn't he?

canetoad

(17,152 posts)
18. It's worth reading the full article
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:25 PM
Jul 2020
Robert Mueller: Roger Stone remains a convicted felon, and rightly so
Robert S. Mueller III served as special counsel for the Justice Department from 2017 to 2019.

The work of the special counsel’s office — its report, indictments, guilty pleas and convictions — should speak for itself. But I feel compelled to respond both to broad claims that our investigation was illegitimate and our motives were improper, and to specific claims that Roger Stone was a victim of our office. The Russia investigation was of paramount importance. Stone was prosecuted and convicted because he committed federal crimes. He remains a convicted felon, and rightly so.

Russia’s actions were a threat to America’s democracy. It was critical that they be investigated and understood. By late 2016, the FBI had evidence that the Russians had signaled to a Trump campaign adviser that they could assist the campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to the Democratic candidate. And the FBI knew that the Russians had done just that: Beginning in July 2016, WikiLeaks released emails stolen by Russian military intelligence officers from the Clinton campaign. Other online personas using false names — fronts for Russian military intelligence — also released Clinton campaign emails.

Following FBI Director James B. Comey’s termination in May 2017, the acting attorney general named me as special counsel and directed the special counsel’s office to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. The order specified lines of investigation for us to pursue, including any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump campaign. One of our cases involved Stone, an official on the campaign until mid-2015 and a supporter of the campaign throughout 2016. Stone became a central figure in our investigation for two key reasons: He communicated in 2016 with individuals known to us to be Russian intelligence officers, and he claimed advance knowledge of WikiLeaks’ release of emails stolen by those Russian intelligence officers.

We now have a detailed picture of Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election. The special counsel’s office identified two principal operations directed at our election: hacking and dumping Clinton campaign emails, and an online social media campaign to disparage the Democratic candidate. We also identified numerous links between the Russian government and Trump campaign personnel — Stone among them. We did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired with the Russian government in its activities. The investigation did, however, establish that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome. It also established that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.

More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/11/mueller-stone-oped/?arc404=true

grumpyduck

(6,232 posts)
20. Too late, asshole.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:27 PM
Jul 2020

The American nation was counting on you to speak up. You kept your mouth shut.

Keep it shut, asshole!

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
21. Yeah, your team was great.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:28 PM
Jul 2020

too bad no one got to read the unredacted version of the report you're now trying to defend.

global1

(25,241 posts)
22. If Mueller Would Have Said This Before Trump Commuted Stone's Sentence ....
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:29 PM
Jul 2020

Last edited Sat Jul 11, 2020, 09:51 PM - Edit history (1)

Maybe it would have made it harder for Trump to do it. After the fact is just too little - too late.

plimsoll

(1,668 posts)
45. Not a chance.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 09:37 PM
Jul 2020

Trump had to commute the sentence. It's the only way to keep Stone silent. Nothing would have changed.

Lock him up.

(6,925 posts)
27. Thanks to your silence on all the obscure redactions, Robert...
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:40 PM
Jul 2020

... the US is a subsidiary of Putin's kleptocracy since January 2017.

Go back to your retirement hide or start undoing it by speaking up for the Home of the Brave (could have been you...).

MAKE JUSTICE GREAT AGAIN
RICO TRUMPs & ACCOMPLICES
THEN LOCK 'EM ALL UP!*&1%!1

hotrod0808

(323 posts)
30. Who gives a shit?
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:42 PM
Jul 2020

How does this help the country? How does this punish those who sold us out? How does this tip the scale at all? Too little, too late. Fuck him.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
31. Don't get too comfortable, Mr. Stone...
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:45 PM
Jul 2020

Long term, your freedom may still be in question, since I doubt you were charged with the totality of your crimes.

Response to sunonmars (Original post)

JI7

(89,247 posts)
36. I don't know why people are attacking Mueller
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:55 PM
Jul 2020

as if the trump trash would have changed their minds if he had been more like what one sees in there movies.

the trump trash hates Fauci also.

the problem it's congressional republicans and those in his administration like Bolton. not Mueller.

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
37. I don't understand it, either.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:58 PM
Jul 2020

Mueller did what he was supposed to do. He was never the superhero going to swoop in and save us.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
41. He said he found no evidence trump or his campaign colluded/cooperated/
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 08:49 PM
Jul 2020

or encouraged Russians to assist in the election. He repeated “no evidence” over and over in his mealy mouthed Report.

Mueller even came up with twisted legal theories that some — like trump’s boys — were too stupid to have the requisite knowledge they were breaking the law at the trump tower meeting with Ruskies.

Once the underlying crime was poo pooed, it was much tougher to make the charge of obstruction stick.

Mueller wimped out, and here we are.

edhopper

(33,573 posts)
42. All you had to say is
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 09:08 PM
Jul 2020

"Our investigation showed the President committed high crimes against the United States."

But your silence lead us here.

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