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spanone

(135,823 posts)
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:25 PM Jul 2020

And so it begins....Thanks Dr. Fauci



(CNN)As coronavirus cases surge in the United States, the White House is taking aim at the nation's top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci.

In a statement Saturday, a White House official told CNN that "several White House officials are concerned about the number of times Dr. Fauci has been wrong on things." The official went on to provide a lengthy list of examples, citing Fauci's comments early in the pandemic and linking to past interviews.

These bullet points, which resembled opposition research on a political opponent, included Fauci downplaying the virus early on and a quote from March when Fauci said,
"People should not be walking around with masks," among other comments.

The move by the White House comes as President Donald Trump and Fauci are not speaking. The tension between the two men has grown publicly as the two have responded to one another through interviews and statements.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/12/politics/fauci-trump-coronavirus/index.html

THEY ARE LYING ABOUT THE ONE NON-POLITICAL VOICE WE HAD
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And so it begins....Thanks Dr. Fauci (Original Post) spanone Jul 2020 OP
But they have children's doctors in their favor. . Iliyah Jul 2020 #1
Apparently not. Read the letter from the AmericanPediatric Assoc. From niyad Jul 2020 #9
Additio to my post: I just learned of the nbc interview with the 5 shills. niyad Jul 2020 #23
Fauci really is a terrible situation........ Takket Jul 2020 #2
He's out-- no more influence, if he ever had any. Trump government does not use... TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #5
I don't think so .. . Iliyah Jul 2020 #8
Notice how he's being sidelined lately-- he's out of the loop. TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #12
I think of Dr Fauci as the loop... 2naSalit Jul 2020 #17
Here's the thing-- Fauci is still the director of the institute, but his days... TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #24
I agree... 2naSalit Jul 2020 #27
Trump can't fire him. LisaL Jul 2020 #6
Not from the institute, but can "disinvolve" him from the WH task force. Totally insane, but... TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #26
I believe Trump can't fire him from the position he holds. nt tblue37 Jul 2020 #30
Gee....who to believe? So hard to decide... Moostache Jul 2020 #3
Trump can't fire Fauci from his position as director of the National Institute of Allergy and elleng Jul 2020 #4
"those officials think Fauci doesn't have the best interest of the President"... TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #15
'Think?' Not a chance! elleng Jul 2020 #16
Azar can fire him and trump will tell him to do it. spanone Jul 2020 #20
' just cause' doesn't exist, of course. elleng Jul 2020 #21
of course, trump could care less about 'just cause' spanone Jul 2020 #22
and we'll see governors and mayors and public health officials seeking his advice, elleng Jul 2020 #25
"just 'cause" was the reason my Gramma gave for smacking my bottom with a broom. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2020 #29
"several White House officials are concerned about the number of times Dr. Fauci has been wrong ..." Jim__ Jul 2020 #7
Trump is never wrong. LisaL Jul 2020 #10
"concerned" .. Iliyah Jul 2020 #13
Right-wingers don't work that way. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2020 #14
Dr. Fauci needs to tell trump to go take a leap into a fetid pile of shit. cayugafalls Jul 2020 #11
Dr. Fauci is doing well, appearing in several places; elleng Jul 2020 #19
K&R 2naSalit Jul 2020 #18
Was Fauci wrong, or was he trying to thread the needle to say enough but not completely contradict? Freethinker65 Jul 2020 #28
👍 Duppers Jul 2020 #31
Call a press conference, Fauci, and tell the TRUTH Champp Jul 2020 #32
If the media are reporting the smears they need to name names of the smearers. aikoaiko Jul 2020 #33
ahh, the memo to reporters was anonymous. aikoaiko Jul 2020 #34

niyad

(113,259 posts)
9. Apparently not. Read the letter from the AmericanPediatric Assoc. From
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:36 PM
Jul 2020

what I have heard, it does NOT say what covidiot in chief claims. (Colour me soooooooonot surprised).

Takket

(21,560 posts)
2. Fauci really is a terrible situation........
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:28 PM
Jul 2020

he can either bite his tongue and keep trying to hold some influence over what is going on, or speak the absolute truth of the situation and get fired, thus losing any power he had. i feel like he is hopeful he can exert enough influence to save SOME loves even if he is muzzled from saying what is really needed to save as many lives as realistically possible.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
5. He's out-- no more influence, if he ever had any. Trump government does not use...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:32 PM
Jul 2020

expertise to learn from or manage things, but to agree with Trump.

2naSalit

(86,536 posts)
17. I think of Dr Fauci as the loop...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:42 PM
Jul 2020

If it came from him, listen up, he's the expert. He has been trying to inform us even while gagged. He'll be around with an outlet to inform us because he is dedicated to helping with this virus. It's what his life career is about. -45 can't take that away, all he can do is shift the location Fauci's words are coming from.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
24. Here's the thing-- Fauci is still the director of the institute, but his days...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:55 PM
Jul 2020

seem to be numbered on the White House Task Force. This is the way Trump operates, and it makes no difference if it is insane.

In a normal world, Fauci would be running the show, but here his job is simply to make Trump look good.

November can't get here fast enough.

2naSalit

(86,536 posts)
27. I agree...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 11:04 PM
Jul 2020

He can't fire him and can only remove him from the TF, but he'll shit-talk him until one of them goes away.

Everyone knows Dr. Fauci is the one to listen to so most will seek him out. He can hold his own press conferences if he's not on the TF. As Dir. of the institute, he does hold a community obligation given his expertise, which he would be doing more about if he were not tied to the WH.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
26. Not from the institute, but can "disinvolve" him from the WH task force. Totally insane, but...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:57 PM
Jul 2020

We're talking Trump here.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
3. Gee....who to believe? So hard to decide...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:31 PM
Jul 2020

The thrice-married, 5-time bankrupt, unindicted co-conspirator; who raw dogs porn stars, pays off mistresses but not contracts, has constantly defended Putin over US interests, danced with Saudi oppressors in a glow-ball/sword dance farce, and has lied in office more than 20,000 times?

Or...

The nation's leading expert on communicative infectious diseases, physician and immunologist of impeccable scientific credentials and standing?

How ever to decide?

elleng

(130,865 posts)
4. Trump can't fire Fauci from his position as director of the National Institute of Allergy and
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:31 PM
Jul 2020

Infectious Diseases (NIAID) which he has held since 1984. It isn't a position the president can hire or fire. He CAN remove him from the Coronavirus Task Force, but that would only look bad without having any real effect.

'One senior administration official told CNN that some officials within the White House do not trust Fauci. According to the source, those officials think Fauci doesn't have the best interest of the President, pointing to interviews where he openly disagrees with what Trump has said.

Other administration officials have told CNN that while they have disagreements with Fauci's methods, they don't doubt his motives, and that his only concern was public health.'

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
15. "those officials think Fauci doesn't have the best interest of the President"...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:40 PM
Jul 2020

Well, gollee, gee-- wtf do they think his job is?

spanone

(135,823 posts)
20. Azar can fire him and trump will tell him to do it.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:46 PM
Jul 2020
Fauci is a “Title 42” government employee, a category who can only be fired with just cause. Also, Trump technically doesn’t have the authority to fire Fauci; Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar and National Institutes of Health Director Francis Collins are the two people who do. (Although, of course, Trump could order Azar to fire Fauci — and fire Azar if he doesn’t comply.)


https://govtrackinsider.com/national-institutes-of-health-director-protection-act-would-ban-trump-from-firing-anthony-fauci-d5bade4c49e1

elleng

(130,865 posts)
25. and we'll see governors and mayors and public health officials seeking his advice,
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:55 PM
Jul 2020

and in January he'll be back in his current position, along with 'covid-19 task force.'

29. "just 'cause" was the reason my Gramma gave for smacking my bottom with a broom.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 01:08 AM
Jul 2020

I imagine in Fat Donnie's mind just 'cause would be enough to fire anyone.

Jim__

(14,075 posts)
7. "several White House officials are concerned about the number of times Dr. Fauci has been wrong ..."
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:35 PM
Jul 2020

You have to wonder if they're at all concerned about the number of times Donald Trump has been wrong.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
14. Right-wingers don't work that way.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:40 PM
Jul 2020

They just want to point out the motes in the eyes of others, ignoring the beams in their own eyes.

All while proclaiming their Christianity, of course.

cayugafalls

(5,640 posts)
11. Dr. Fauci needs to tell trump to go take a leap into a fetid pile of shit.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:37 PM
Jul 2020

Then hit the news talk show circuit calling trump and his administration criminal in their neglect to the American people.

Tired of people being nice to the idiot in the people's house.

Freethinker65

(10,009 posts)
28. Was Fauci wrong, or was he trying to thread the needle to say enough but not completely contradict?
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 11:14 PM
Jul 2020

Take the original no mask comment. That was at a time when PPE was scarce and States with hotspots were scrambling for supplies, even being forced to bid against each other because of Kushner's desire to see profits made by middlemen and Blue states suffer. Add to that, the public already hoarding toilet paper, isopropyl alcohol and disinfecting wipes, bleach, etc.
Masks would have limited the spread, but there were not enough to go around with a world wide shortage, so social distancing was emphasized.

Take the predictions of where cases might be at particular moments in time. Those were predictions based upon best and worst case scenarios.

Etc.

It will be hard to discredit Fauci, and records will exist of what was discussed at task force meetings and how the information was approved to be massaged for public dispersal...Trump was banking on the virus to pass and insisted nothing be said to instill panic and to disrupt Trump's ginning of the stock market.

Champp

(2,114 posts)
32. Call a press conference, Fauci, and tell the TRUTH
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 07:46 AM
Jul 2020

Make the draft dodging Republican golfer-in-chief fire you on prime time TV.

That is the greatest service you can perform for the sake of America and the truth.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
33. If the media are reporting the smears they need to name names of the smearers.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:29 PM
Jul 2020

I can't believe that they are letting these people hide in the shadows as they do Trump's bidding.

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