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MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 09:19 AM Jul 2020

John Bolton's "The Room Where It Happened" - What I learned...

After reading the entire book, encompassing 460-something pages, I learned two important things:

1. John Bolton thinks extraordinarily highly of himself.

2. Donald J. Trump didn't take Bolton's advice often enough, so Bolton resigned.

Everything else in the book, pretty much, I already knew from watching the news for three years.

That, my DU friends, is why we did not hear more about the book's revelations in the press after it came out. There really weren't any important revelations disclosed in it. Reading it was a waste of quite a few hours spent turning the book's pages.



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John Bolton's "The Room Where It Happened" - What I learned... (Original Post) MineralMan Jul 2020 OP
Thanks for the review. safeinOhio Jul 2020 #1
Thank you, MM. You took the hit for a lot of us. NCjack Jul 2020 #35
Well, at 460+ pages, at least your wrist got a good work out. Merlot Jul 2020 #2
Thank you Rorey Jul 2020 #3
Amen, not one penny, Have Mary Trump's book on order. KS Toronado Jul 2020 #34
And therein lies the reason Cirque du So-What Jul 2020 #4
I read stuff. I always have read non-fiction more than anything else. MineralMan Jul 2020 #8
I have confidence Cirque du So-What Jul 2020 #12
Important point. Publicity so important in the Information Age. Bolton is hi-profile empedocles Jul 2020 #17
Yeah, but the "Information Age" brought us the Trump. plimsoll Jul 2020 #18
I've preordered Mary Trump's book as well PatSeg Jul 2020 #27
If you want to read Bolton's bloviating bombast for free, it's been dumped on Google Drive. GoneOffShore Jul 2020 #28
Oh yes PatSeg Jul 2020 #31
I nearly got through the first chapter before also concluding Bolton thinks very highly of himself, sop Jul 2020 #5
Much Appreciated! Sorceress Jul 2020 #6
So appreciate your book review. Ninga Jul 2020 #7
That was always my assumption. Thanks for confirming so that fewer of us are tempted to buy hlthe2b Jul 2020 #9
Thanks for your sacrifice. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #10
So did the leak of the pdf that went out on Google Drive. GoneOffShore Jul 2020 #29
Thanks, MM for doing the research. Firestorm49 Jul 2020 #11
Thanks. Glad I didn't buy it. I have ordered Mary Trump's book though still_one Jul 2020 #13
My wife ordered the Kindle version of Mary Trump's book. MineralMan Jul 2020 #15
Tomorrow MM is when it is released still_one Jul 2020 #22
Cool. I'll be filing my taxes tomorrow. MineralMan Jul 2020 #25
Yup, July 15th, new tax day this year still_one Jul 2020 #26
I mean, can't we all write a book about Trump at this point? NCDem47 Jul 2020 #14
I miss David Halberstam. thucythucy Jul 2020 #16
Agree. Halberstam was a great investigative journalist. I hadn't realized that he died erronis Jul 2020 #30
I think he was in a taxi on his way to giving a lecture. thucythucy Jul 2020 #53
Thank you for reading the book. Butterflylady Jul 2020 #19
Trump acts as a child would act. MineralMan Jul 2020 #23
My favorite blurb soothsayer Jul 2020 #20
I have a gub.......bwahahaha Nevilledog Jul 2020 #38
Old line from a Woody Allen movie....... MyOwnPeace Jul 2020 #40
That was hilarious. I've never seen that movie. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #45
I loved that movie! lunatica Jul 2020 #46
Perfect reality-as-satire. Hortensis Jul 2020 #57
Yes it is sad. The media builds it up so much. Bolton's book and Mary Trump's book Fla Dem Jul 2020 #21
Since I paid for the thing, I read it. MineralMan Jul 2020 #24
I got the freebie someone posted as an e book. kimbutgar Jul 2020 #32
It did kerplunk didn't it bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #33
I started reading it, there was too much bashing of Democrats and Obama.... George II Jul 2020 #36
Thanks for sacrificing yourself! BlueMTexpat Jul 2020 #37
Good to know ramapo Jul 2020 #39
MineralMan - Thanks for the review. Your sterling reputation here on DU makes your... EarnestPutz Jul 2020 #41
I figured as much pandr32 Jul 2020 #42
thank you. barbtries Jul 2020 #43
Don't forget number 3 Warpy Jul 2020 #44
It could probably be renamed lunatica Jul 2020 #48
I'm waiting for it to come to the Goodwill. At 1-7/8" thick, it'll replace the foot the dog ... marble falls Jul 2020 #47
From what I've glimpsed of his lower lip lunatica Jul 2020 #49
Jeebers. marble falls Jul 2020 #50
What do you think? lunatica Jul 2020 #51
Worse than I imagined. Time to go out on the deck and smoke a bowl. marble falls Jul 2020 #52
So, what I want to know is... reACTIONary Jul 2020 #54
Good to know, MM peggysue2 Jul 2020 #55
The problem is that tRUMP and Republicans have been lying so much and twisting everything... WyattKansas Jul 2020 #56
So, it's almost as good as Steve Bannon's "Fire and Fury". JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2020 #58
Thanks for the recap. mzmolly Jul 2020 #59
There are several main criteria for entering close orbit around Donny: struggle4progress Jul 2020 #60
Pretty much what I get from his interviews. I will never pay for his book or anything else from him JI7 Jul 2020 #61
Something else I noticed when I read it.... Xolodno Jul 2020 #62

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
2. Well, at 460+ pages, at least your wrist got a good work out.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 09:24 AM
Jul 2020

Hopefully that book will end up in the 99 cent store bin.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
3. Thank you
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 09:29 AM
Jul 2020

I had already decided that I wasn't going to contribute one penny to a person I consider to be a traitor. I do intend to buy the book by OrangeAss's niece.

Cirque du So-What

(25,908 posts)
4. And therein lies the reason
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 09:30 AM
Jul 2020

why I seldom get excited over tell-all publications. I can recall from past readings a scant handful of true revelations. Filter that rehashing through a malignant ego and I have to take a hard pass. Thanks for confirming my suspicion; hope it wasn’t too much drudgery for you.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
8. I read stuff. I always have read non-fiction more than anything else.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 09:35 AM
Jul 2020

Bolton's book was a slog, simply because it didn't really reveal anything of significance. That's why there was no reporting on the book after the first days following its release. Nothing to report.

As soon as Mary Trump's book is on my Kindle, I'll be reading that, as well. I might as well, I guess. I have low expectations for that one, as well.

plimsoll

(1,667 posts)
18. Yeah, but the "Information Age" brought us the Trump.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:31 AM
Jul 2020

What that tells me is that the "information age" hasn't really increased the access to information, but it has cranked up the Noise to near deafening volumes.

PatSeg

(47,279 posts)
27. I've preordered Mary Trump's book as well
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:49 AM
Jul 2020

I was tempted to buy Bolton's book for about two seconds, but figured it would be a lot of boasting from the author and not much else that we didn't already known. Having watched him in television interviews, I got the impression that he used the platform to also put down the Democratic party. Apparently in John Bolton's mind, he is vastly superior to pretty much everyone on the planet.

On the other hand, Mary Trump's book could give us more insight into how Donald Trump became the mindless monster that he is. The psychology behind people like him really interests me. This family has caused a lot of damage to a lot of people and I like to know how and why.

Thanks for the summary of John Bolton's book. I think it was pretty much what everyone expected.

GoneOffShore

(17,337 posts)
28. If you want to read Bolton's bloviating bombast for free, it's been dumped on Google Drive.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:05 AM
Jul 2020

I downloaded it, read the first couple of chapters, then started to skim it.

It's bloody awful.

I suspect that he had to stop writing between chapters because he got excited by his own prose.

PatSeg

(47,279 posts)
31. Oh yes
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:11 AM
Jul 2020

I'm quite sure that he did. The man truly is full of himself.

You know, I wouldn't even read it for read. Actually, you couldn't pay me to read it, but I'm glad others have so I know what I'm not missing.

sop

(10,104 posts)
5. I nearly got through the first chapter before also concluding Bolton thinks very highly of himself,
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 09:32 AM
Jul 2020

and he was upset Trump didn't take his advice more often. Luckily, for me, I didn't buy the book, I just skimmed over the bootleg copy on the internet. Good thing for Bolton he got a $2M advance.

Sorceress

(309 posts)
6. Much Appreciated!
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 09:33 AM
Jul 2020

There was no way I was going to give this man one single penny after he failed his country by not testifying. However, now I can be certain I am not missing anything. Good.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
15. My wife ordered the Kindle version of Mary Trump's book.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:01 AM
Jul 2020

We have two Kindle Fires on her account. I just checked mine, and it's not there yet. I think it will be released on the 14th, but I'm not certain.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
25. Cool. I'll be filing my taxes tomorrow.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:42 AM
Jul 2020

So, I should be able to start read the book later in the day. it's short, so it won't take me very long.

NCDem47

(2,248 posts)
14. I mean, can't we all write a book about Trump at this point?
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 09:51 AM
Jul 2020

He's a lying, sadistic S.O.B. who puts himself above all others. Always has been. Always will be. Doesn't that pretty much sum it up? How many more proof points do we need?

thucythucy

(8,039 posts)
16. I miss David Halberstam.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:08 AM
Jul 2020

Possibly the best journalist of his generation.

"The Best and the Brightest" "The Powers That Be," his reporting on Vietnam that had JFK complaining how he learned more reading the New York Times than from his own advisors...

A book on Trump by Halberstam would have been awesome indeed.

erronis

(15,183 posts)
30. Agree. Halberstam was a great investigative journalist. I hadn't realized that he died
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:08 AM
Jul 2020

in a car crash.

thucythucy

(8,039 posts)
53. I think he was in a taxi on his way to giving a lecture.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:44 PM
Jul 2020

A terrific loss for all of us. He epitomized what a truly independent investigative journalist could do to educate the public.

Butterflylady

(3,537 posts)
19. Thank you for reading the book.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:32 AM
Jul 2020

As far as. Bolton thinking highly of himself, that my friend is plain to see in itself. He evidently thought he could control him. That alone makes him pretty stupid.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
23. Trump acts as a child would act.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:39 AM
Jul 2020

I knew that, though, before reading this book.

We have a child as President, an impetuous child prone to throwing tantrums. I didn't need Bolton's book to tell me that, although he did present that message pretty clearly.

John Bolton is an arch-conservative, politically. i have never liked him, nor his viewpoint. I hoped he would reveal something new that was shocking, but he did not. It's all been in the news.

I understand he got a $2 million advance on that book. It's a good thing he got paid up front, because the book will not be read by many who buy it. Too boring.

I'm used to reading boring non-fiction books. I do it all the time with books related to my work. Most people will put down Bolton's book after reading a chapter or two. It's just not that interesting, and reveals little that is not already know.

The only chapter that interested me was the one on Venezuela. Since I don't normally follow South American issues, I did learn some things from that chapter.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
20. My favorite blurb
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:33 AM
Jul 2020

"I joined a gang of bank robbers. These incompetents, tripped on their shoelaces, got lost, ran out of gas, forgot the masks and passed a note to a teller that read 'I have a gub.' Worst part? They wouldn't let me blow things up! I quit. Here's a book about my moral superiority."



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MyOwnPeace

(16,919 posts)
40. Old line from a Woody Allen movie.......
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:56 AM
Jul 2020


No matter what you think of Woody Allen, damn, this is funny!

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
46. I loved that movie!
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:20 PM
Jul 2020

Just like I love Idiocracy. They’re better than funny. They’re witty as hell!

Fla Dem

(23,590 posts)
21. Yes it is sad. The media builds it up so much. Bolton's book and Mary Trump's book
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:36 AM
Jul 2020

Too Much and Never Enough, a lot of hype and really not a lot of meat on the bone. I mean other than telling about the ridiculous gifts she got from Trump and how he stiffed her father and family what did she share we didn't already know? We already knew he was an unempathetic, crook, cheat and grifter. We didn't need her book to tell us that.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
24. Since I paid for the thing, I read it.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:41 AM
Jul 2020

However, once it came out, the dearth of coverage of the book let me know that there was not much in there that offered any surprises. I read it anyway. There simply wasn't much to report on in the book, which is why we stopped hearing anything about it in the news right away.

Oh, well...

George II

(67,782 posts)
36. I started reading it, there was too much bashing of Democrats and Obama....
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:31 AM
Jul 2020

Couldn't take it so didn't get too deep into it.

BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
37. Thanks for sacrificing yourself!
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:32 AM
Jul 2020

And that was pretty much what I expected.

Bolton is one of the most arrogant, nastiest people on the planet. I was surprised that he lasted as long as he did with someone who is just like him.

I will never forget him at the head of the GOP "mob" that arrived to shut down vote-counting in Florida in 2000.

ramapo

(4,587 posts)
39. Good to know
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:39 AM
Jul 2020

I preordered it as a protest against Trump trying to prevent publication but I returned the book unopened. I haven’t even gotten thru the sample.

He’ not getting my money to tell me that Trump is awful beyond words

EarnestPutz

(2,117 posts)
41. MineralMan - Thanks for the review. Your sterling reputation here on DU makes your...
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:58 AM
Jul 2020

...opinion golden (yes, I know the problem with these adjectives but my praise is sincere).

barbtries

(28,769 posts)
43. thank you.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:06 PM
Jul 2020

i had no plans to read it. I did download it for free just to hopefully bug him. greedy cowardly warmongering asshole.

Warpy

(111,162 posts)
44. Don't forget number 3
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:08 PM
Jul 2020

3. Democrats are responsible for the failed impeachment because they didn't know what Bolton knew.

My main takeaway from excerpts (I wasn't going to enrich him and I didn't even want the leaked pdf) is that this man needs to be kept far away from any position that carries any responsibility, at all. He can't handle anything but being a tyrant on his own. He's a rigid dogmatist and we've had enough of those, thanks.

marble falls

(57,013 posts)
47. I'm waiting for it to come to the Goodwill. At 1-7/8" thick, it'll replace the foot the dog ...
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:25 PM
Jul 2020

chewed off the "coffee" table. It'll be perfect to keep my "coffee" from sliding off of the "coffee" table.

You didn't ruin it for me. I wasn't going to read it anyway. Like you said - what we didn't know
already was information we aren't surprised about. He;s smarter than everyone else. Check. He left Trump because the stable genius mad him feel unappreciated. Check.

Now maybe he can fade away and then he and his mustache can have it all out once and for all: 'who's gotta weak upper lip'?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
49. From what I've glimpsed of his lower lip
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:30 PM
Jul 2020

I think he also has an anus mouth, only more wrinkly than Trump’s.

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
54. So, what I want to know is...
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:49 PM
Jul 2020

... did you learn any top secret revelations that would irreparably and severely damage national security? I think there were supposed to be exactly 12. I was waiting for the revelations, but no one has pointed them out.

peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
55. Good to know, MM
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:50 PM
Jul 2020

I wasn't about to throw Bolton money for the book and figured the pertinent passages/revelations (if there were any) would be exposed by the media. Nice to have that theory confirmed.

That being said, kudos for slogging through the text.

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
56. The problem is that tRUMP and Republicans have been lying so much and twisting everything...
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:55 PM
Jul 2020

That has been in the news and what should have been obvious to everyone, but a large portion of the population has been tricked by the lies and twisting to the point that nothing sinks in anymore. Plus many people have been manipulated with their inflated imaginary financial portfolios and retirement funds that they have ignored the jeopardy the country has really been in with tRUMP and Republican Rule over the country.

struggle4progress

(118,235 posts)
60. There are several main criteria for entering close orbit around Donny:
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 12:24 AM
Jul 2020

(1) You can't be obviously smarter than he is, because that would make him look bad

(2) You should obviously be incompetent for whatever job he gives you, so he can blame you when everyone begins to notice his toilet is overflowing again

(3) You should seem like an obvious bootlicker when he first encounters you, because that's really the only apparent job description in the whole administration

It seems Johnny B Chickenhawk couldn't keep up the bootlicker pretense for long enough

JI7

(89,240 posts)
61. Pretty much what I get from his interviews. I will never pay for his book or anything else from him
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 12:27 AM
Jul 2020

I did download it for free if I ever feel like reading it but I don't see that happening anytime.

Xolodno

(6,384 posts)
62. Something else I noticed when I read it....
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 12:48 AM
Jul 2020

He was happy to leave the climate deal because there was no real enforcement mechanism when a country violated. And.......

Was happy to leave treaties negotiated by Reagan's term (practically poo poo'd on them) because there were enforcement mechanism and the USA should not have anyone telling them what to do.

The hypocrisy of this schmuck, is just stunning.

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