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madville

(7,410 posts)
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:57 AM Jul 2020

Will you decline a COVID-19 vaccine if it is rushed?

Was thinking about this, I don’t know that I will trust a vaccine that is rolled out without proper test trials to identify effectiveness and any side effects.

Do you all see it only made available to more vulnerable populations at first? Like the elderly, obese, people with respiratory problems, etc.

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Will you decline a COVID-19 vaccine if it is rushed? (Original Post) madville Jul 2020 OP
I'd avoid any Trump-backed vaccine. dchill Jul 2020 #1
The answer is yes. Polly Hennessey Jul 2020 #2
Are you competent to define & evaluate "proper test trials"? Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #3
Of course not, most aren't madville Jul 2020 #6
"expert analysis" not_the_one Jul 2020 #42
Yes, I will follow what my husband does. redstatebluegirl Jul 2020 #4
When it happens tazkcmo Jul 2020 #8
I will, he is monitoring the development of the vaccines really closely. redstatebluegirl Jul 2020 #9
Thank you and him. tazkcmo Jul 2020 #10
I'll postpone until I see it's effects for at least a year. That is one developed under Donny Squinch Jul 2020 #5
It depends. I will be looking at the results from the vaccine's trials. MineralMan Jul 2020 #7
The real trials, the Trump FDA trials or the drug company's profit-driven trials 😂 TheBlackAdder Jul 2020 #37
I would avoid it like kairos12 Jul 2020 #11
If the data supports it, I will will get it. NT Happy Hoosier Jul 2020 #12
If Trump is pushing it, NO texasfiddler Jul 2020 #13
If the medical journals are in agreement that it is safe. Aristus Jul 2020 #14
I'll wait a while and see what happens with the large scale inoculations. Yonnie3 Jul 2020 #15
***YES!!!*** The last vaccines "rushed" and not time tested had bad effects uponit7771 Jul 2020 #16
I will take a vaccine when Fauci approves it. Doreen Jul 2020 #17
Same. onecaliberal Jul 2020 #19
Ding Ding Ding Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jul 2020 #18
Check if it is recommended by the American Academy of Family Physicians dalton99a Jul 2020 #20
Republican governors (and donnie t) first RT Atlanta Jul 2020 #21
Will it be mandatory? ananda Jul 2020 #22
It should be Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #34
if it's safe and effective, I won't decline AlexSFCA Jul 2020 #23
No one is suggesting eliminating the tests for effectiveness and side effects. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #24
I'll wait for trump to be injected first and wait a month to see if he's dead SoonerPride Jul 2020 #25
If Fauci says it's okay, I'll probably take it. wryter2000 Jul 2020 #26
I'll wait until after 20 or 30 million people have taken it first frazzled Jul 2020 #27
I will listen to a lot of people in the field and hold off a couple months. I will not be lsitening LizBeth Jul 2020 #28
I already decided to stay put until Joe is pres marlakay Jul 2020 #29
My uncle the PhD/M.D. will be our decider on this one. Brainfodder Jul 2020 #30
I remember the Swine Flu vaccine. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2020 #31
I've heard about the Swine Flu vaccine incident. Mike 03 Jul 2020 #35
It was a complete cluster-fuck. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2020 #38
Why is this being posted again and again? Is there some Hortensis Jul 2020 #32
General concern about Anti-vaxxers Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #39
Don't know what's going on with this repetitive attempt Hortensis Jul 2020 #40
I think people are understandably nervous about how safe Trump's FDA approved vaccine is going to be Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #43
Insisting they'll be refusing well before anything is available Hortensis Jul 2020 #44
No, but I may drag my feet a bit. (n/t) Iggo Jul 2020 #36
If Fauci has full approval of it, then I will take it. WyattKansas Jul 2020 #41

madville

(7,410 posts)
6. Of course not, most aren't
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:03 AM
Jul 2020

We will have to rely on expert analysis and recommendations from trusted sources.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
42. "expert analysis"
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 01:26 PM
Jul 2020

Like the turd's hippy dippy doctor?

NOTHING against hippies. Was one, still am one. But I clean up nice.

Not sure about dippies.

The turd wants to kill me (and anyone else who doesn't swallow his schtick). I trust nothing that is attached to the turd.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
4. Yes, I will follow what my husband does.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:58 AM
Jul 2020

If he isn't convinced the science is strong we won't do it. Plus if Trump says it is "the best ever" forget it. My husband knows what they should do, so if he sees that they are skirting the proper scientific protocol, he said we would not be getting one.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
9. I will, he is monitoring the development of the vaccines really closely.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:06 AM
Jul 2020

He works with super bugs, that is his research area.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
5. I'll postpone until I see it's effects for at least a year. That is one developed under Donny
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:00 AM
Jul 2020

Bodybags.

If it is developed under a Biden led team, I will shorten that timeline.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
7. It depends. I will be looking at the results from the vaccine's trials.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:03 AM
Jul 2020

Those will be published and available, if you know where to find them.

As for distribution, we'll see how that works. If they are first distributed to Republican elected officials, that will be a sign that the vaccine is effective and safe. if, on the other hand, they are first given to the poor and elderly, you'll want to check the trial results before deciding.

I remember very well lining up as a child for the Salk polio vaccine injections. I will probably try my best to get the vaccination early, to be quite frank. My assumption is that it will not be released unless it is, at least, safe. How effective it will be will not really be known until millions receive it. That is the final test trial, really.

However, I will also pay close attention to what company produces the first available vaccine. If there is any association with Trump there, I will probably wait for a while.

TheBlackAdder

(28,189 posts)
37. The real trials, the Trump FDA trials or the drug company's profit-driven trials 😂
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 01:01 PM
Jul 2020

.

It's hard to know what we'll actually see.

.

Aristus

(66,328 posts)
14. If the medical journals are in agreement that it is safe.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:15 AM
Jul 2020

The publishers don't give a shit what Trump wants; they publish the science.

Check the Journal of the American Medical Association, the New England Journal of Medicine, the British Medical Journal, and so on.

If FOX News says "It's safe! It's totally safe! Just take our word for it!", be skeptical...

Yonnie3

(17,434 posts)
15. I'll wait a while and see what happens with the large scale inoculations.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:17 AM
Jul 2020

I can continue to isolate and be careful for a while more.

This question may be moot as I suspect we will be told "anyone who wants it can get it" and people will wait all day to be disappointed. Just like the testing.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
17. I will take a vaccine when Fauci approves it.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:18 AM
Jul 2020

I will not take a vaccine that trump and this administration pushes.

Response to madville (Original post)

dalton99a

(81,475 posts)
20. Check if it is recommended by the American Academy of Family Physicians
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:27 AM
Jul 2020

They are probably the organization least likely to recommend something that doesn't work or kills people


RT Atlanta

(2,517 posts)
21. Republican governors (and donnie t) first
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:29 AM
Jul 2020

Once they have been vaccinated and have, say a few weeks, pass without any ill side effects, then I may consider.

Until then, it's isolation for me.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
34. It should be
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:56 PM
Jul 2020

unless contraindicated due to certain conditions.

Realistically, I know that there are going to be some Covidiots whom will stupidly refuse to deal with it, which will keep it in circulation for longer than it should be but

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
24. No one is suggesting eliminating the tests for effectiveness and side effects.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:32 AM
Jul 2020

The suggestion is that once the vaccine reaches a certain stage, they start manufacturing it - so that once it completes testing there is no delay while testing ramps up. It is a financial risk being proposed, not a medical one.

I won't take it until it is provem more than 50% effective, and the trial results are published so that I can review them and make an informed decision.

wryter2000

(46,039 posts)
26. If Fauci says it's okay, I'll probably take it.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:37 AM
Jul 2020

Even then, I might wait a few weeks or months to see if things go well.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
27. I'll wait until after 20 or 30 million people have taken it first
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 11:47 AM
Jul 2020

And then wait a few weeks or months. That's my test trial. I already have had trouble with the flu vaccine (really bad reactions to increased senior dose made me have to revert to normal dose, which is okay).

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
28. I will listen to a lot of people in the field and hold off a couple months. I will not be lsitening
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:37 PM
Jul 2020

to anyone in the gov or CDC because they are in Trump pocket nad he has no regard for people's health or safety.

marlakay

(11,457 posts)
29. I already decided to stay put until Joe is pres
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:39 PM
Jul 2020

And comes out with a vaccine, if he says its ok then I will use it.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
31. I remember the Swine Flu vaccine.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:48 PM
Jul 2020

It was rushed out there, people were strongly encouraged to get it immediately, and it was implied that those who didn't simply had a death wish. And that happened during a Republican Administration that was not corrupt and venal.

I can continue to self-isolate indefinitely, and will give any vaccine at least six months to demonstrate it actually is safe and effective.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
35. I've heard about the Swine Flu vaccine incident.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:56 PM
Jul 2020

Exactly what you said. Even if the vaccine isn't "rushed" I'm going to give it six months to see how many people get Guillain Barre syndrome or other complications.

Haste makes waste. There's a mad rush to get this done, with billions of dollars at stake. I intend to be careful.

Just to be crystal clear: I'm not anti-vax. I had all my recommended shots growing up and later into adulthood. If you work with animals you have to get your tetanus shots.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
38. It was a complete cluster-fuck.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 01:05 PM
Jul 2020

I absolutely have lots of doubts about a vaccine rushed to market. Especially if it's not particularly effective. More so if it turns out to have its own serious side-effects, which was the case with the Swine Flu vaccine.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. Why is this being posted again and again? Is there some
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 12:51 PM
Jul 2020

movement I haven't read about that's trying to develop a national refusal to be vaccinated to go with the refusal to wear masks? Where do I go to find out more about it than here on DU?

No, I can't imagine that I will decline any vaccine that becomes available to me. However, since I'm not a front-line worker, or any kind of worker, or among the most endangered in nursing homes, etc., the first-developed vaccines will be used on many, many thousands of people long before any of them becomes available to me.

That goes for almost all those who are prematurely worrying about this: Most of us wouldn't get to turn a presumably inadequately tested vaccine or bleach injection down because it won't be offered to us.

I'm more inclined to worry instead that the Republicans, our new kleptocrat classes, most of the MSM,and of course Russia, China, Iran and others, could somehow keep the Republicans in control in DC and that "won't" could become "possibly won't ever." The elections are far from sure.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. Don't know what's going on with this repetitive attempt
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 01:18 PM
Jul 2020

to drum up anti-vax paranoia, but if it's coming through DU this often, what about the rest of social media? I don't like it. When subversive agents and flakes hand try to hand this ball off, it should be slapped down.

Personally, I'm "dying for a vaccine," or at least sick and tired of being high-risk hiding from death. Those will inevitably continue between development and widespread availability, and there's no reason to think the first vaccines developed and approved will be the most efficacious. The threshold for approval is 50% effective.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
43. I think people are understandably nervous about how safe Trump's FDA approved vaccine is going to be
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 02:19 PM
Jul 2020

not vaccines in general. I'd say that some distrust and caution is in order given who we are talking about

I'm very eager for a vaccine, personally

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
44. Insisting they'll be refusing well before anything is available
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 02:26 PM
Jul 2020

to scrutinize intelligently is NOT "understandably" nervous. That's the point. Because, for just one reason among others, there is literally no vaccination to be "nervous" about right now.

We're waiting to see what is developed in literally hundreds of laboratories around the planet.

And once one is available, I fully expect those currently blathering about refusing vaccination while Trump's able to poison them to switch to complaining because vaccination is available to others but not them. And in that they'll joining millions of others eager to finally achieve some degree of protection.

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
41. If Fauci has full approval of it, then I will take it.
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 01:22 PM
Jul 2020

If it is rubber stamped by China or pushed by tRUMP, then no.

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