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When I started investigating Trump in 2015 after being alarmed from what I saw happening in Russia/our elections 1st thing I did was follow the money. Result was 4 decades of Trump, Russian mafia, intel, oligarchs dealings. Trump works for Russia for many decades
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Top Mueller prosecutor: "We could have done more" in Russia investigation
By early 2016 I knew that Trump was Ukraine's Yanukovych. Not sure how or why he wasn't stopped but it was very clear who Trump and Manafort, who worked for putin for decades, were. It was also very clear back then that Trump posed the biggest danger to America in our history
I'm not sure what Mueller investigated but it was clearly not his 4 decades of dealings and the money. That would have answered everything. Also Kushner, Manafort, Flynn, etc should have been prosecuted for conspiracy against America
mucifer
(23,522 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Dems could ask why didnt he look at 4 decades of Russian entanglement, including McConnell and Graham.
But will they?
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)Was held to a smaller scope and that he was limited to only looking at a blank screen ..
Similar to how NORAD was mysteriously all looking to the ocean on 911
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)UpInArms
(51,280 posts)The fighter defenses were a remnant of the Cold War, when North America worried more about intercepting Soviet bombers attacking from across the Arctic Circle. Of those pairs, six were on the East Coast, a NORAD spokesman said: two in Massachusetts, two in Virginia and two in Florida. The others were in Canada, Alaska, the West Coast and Texas.
But their focus was directed outward, toward threats that might approach American coastlines. The Florida fighters, for example, had their eyes on Cuba, which maintains an air force of MiG fighters.
Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)especially with Leningrad Lindsey and Moscow Mitch in control.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... anyway so what did he have to lose?
Functionary, he pulled down the side of his alarm and walked off.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)mazzarro
(3,450 posts)I have always felt that the investigation was carefully balanced on a knife's edge so that it could be derailed by reThuglicans if they pushed hard enough knowing that Demos tend to back down easily.
bonniebgood
(940 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,229 posts)machoneman
(4,006 posts)Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)I had such hopes that he was an upstanding lawyer with integrity, decency and a love of this country. I wonder what happened? I remember that one of the very few leaks that came from the investigation was a lawyer who said of tRump "This s.o.b. is going to prison" So early on, there were red flags which seem to have eventually been ignored. Mueller went from being a highly respected lawyer, to a mediocre tRump boot licker. He was close to retirement, why couldn't he have told the truth about this clown, and saved the country, and his own reputation after a lifetime of dedication? The gop were blinded by Putin's endless supply of cash, of course.
Baitball Blogger
(46,698 posts)Your problem was Barr and you refused to do what needed to be done to get out and push the information you already had.
YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE FORCEFUL IN YOUR TESTIMONY, YOU IDIOT!!!
Paladin
(28,246 posts)"Never send a Marine to do a hitman's job."
Augiedog
(2,545 posts)Lonestarblue
(9,963 posts)Rod Rosenstein was directing Mueller, and he most likely prevented at least some investigations. Plus, Mueller was not an independent counsel with broad powers. But Mueller could have immediately called a press conference and called Barr out for the liar he is instead of allowing Barr to lie about the results of the investigation and declare Trump innocent. His testimony to Congress was also weak. He had an opportunity to share at least some of the results Barr was keeping hidden, but he refused to do so.
As far as the limits of his investigation, the NYT had an interesting piece a couple of days ago in which a former Watergate prosecutor says that Muellers hands were tied from the beginning.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/opinion/roger-stone-trump-mueller.html?searchResultPosition=1
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)Everyone knows Trump is a criminal so I'll do the bare minimum to expose his criminal behavior and let the Democrats take care of it
Unfortunately nobody took care of it, not Comey, not Mueller, not the media, and not the Democrats
To this day nobody has properly vetted Trump or held him accountable, everyone just kicks the can down the road hoping someone else handles it.
Lock him up.
(6,925 posts)Ex-KGB Putin's mob is the most mortal mob on the planet.
Unfortunately, all these prosecutors, media pundits, and Dems have not only a life to live, but many of them have families to care for...
That's how mobs acquire powers and intimidate with retaliation (Polonium...).
There is a remedy for that but I hear nobody even start talking about it:
RICO, but Trump is not an Italian-language sounding name...
BRING JUSTICE BACK AGAIN
RICO TRUMPs & ACCOMPLICES
THEN LOCK 'EM ALL UP!*&1%*!1
panader0
(25,816 posts)There may be much more incriminating stuff we haven't seen.
Blue_playwright
(1,568 posts)... to SDNY and other authorities. I too, think his hands were tied but he likely passed on a ton of info.
meow2u3
(24,761 posts)He wouldn't allow Mueller to investigate the financial ties between Trump and Russian gangsters, knowing full well that the money trail would lead to an indisuptable, incriminating link. If Mueller were an independent counsel instead of a special counsel, the Department of Obstruction of Justice (DOJ) would have had zero influence of Mueller's work.
We're lucky he was able to do as much as he did. But he knows it all. He handed it to Adam Schiff. If we want to find a villain in this story, it's Mitch McConnell.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)portion of his investigation. We saw two parts, and the first is still a doozy. That's beside other parameters limiting the scope of the investigation. As Mueller said, "We could have done more."
Those who don't like these little realities need to stop letting corrupt, traitorous Republicans get power. To have good government, we have to elect good people.
Lock him up.
(6,925 posts)Drumph's mob (let's call it what it is): A subsidiary of Putin's mob.
That's it.
BRING JUSTICE BACK AGAIN
RICO TRUMPs & ACCOMPLICES
THEN LOCK 'EM ALL UP!*&1%*!1!!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)under racketeering statute. Burns me that any court could consider Roger Stone's pattern of serial criminal behaviors as a "first offense."
wnylib
(21,421 posts)being deliberately partisan, but perhaps was being self-preserving?
We know that Trump and his gang can get any dirt on anyone with help from Russia. Nearly everyone has things in their lives that are at least embarrassing, if not worse. And even innocent, embarrassing things can be twisted to look far worse than they are, especially with a hard-hitting, all-encompassing media blitz. Or what about threats to one's family, e.g. granchildren?
I was mistrustful about Mueller being Republican from the time he was first appointed. But in the hearings, I got the impression that he may have stumbled on some explosively damaging national and international info, but was being extremely careful not to go there. Could he have received threats that he couldn't ignore about staying away from some things?
I suspect that is what happened during the Mueller investigation. So maybe we should direct our anger at the sources of our political mess and not at people involved in the dangerous task of exposing the corruption.