Nate Silver just destroyed the credibility of Gravis Marketing's polls for OAN

[highplainsdem]

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So, Gravis Marketing has released 5 polls of the presidential race in the past several weeks. Three were for OAN (One America News) and three weren't. Here's what they showed:

Not for OAN
FL: Biden +10
MN: Biden +16

For OAN
NC: Trump +3
GA: Trump +3
AZ: Trump +4



I know it's just 5 polls. But the three polls for OAN are literally some of Trump's best polls during this time period and the two non-OAN polls are literally some of his worst polls. The sponsor shouldn't really have an effect on poll results like that.

[Baitball Blogger]

1. Is Gravis still operating in Winter Springs?

There are very devious political-social networks in the burb.

[Laelth]

2. Seems odd to me. n/t

-Laelth

[Iliyah]

3. republican party trying to set it up for the STEAL . . .

[Wounded Bear]

4. That's like Rasmussen on steroids...

[Amishman]

5. its different and much worse

Rasmussen has their methods, and they consistently skew right. Its actually not a bad poll if you take their bias into account.

This is flat out data manipulation to order. Worthless.

[Doodley]

6. They obviously pull out of their arses whatever number will please their clients.

If the client is pro-Trump, they give Trump really good figures. If it isn't for a pro-Trump client, Biden does well.

[DemInBuckhead]

7. I can't believe they're still around. Remember 2012?

This "pollster" was regularly posting bogus polls. There was a great summary that grantcart wrote after the election in 2012.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10021750305

[Hortensis]

8. OAN has 0% credibility for honest people and 100% for its viewers.

Any scrutiny of what OAN reports will prove bogus. Good, of course, that 538 is reporting on it for people unfamiliar with what OAN pushes.

[LonePirate]

9. It's more how Gravis markets/releases polls tailored for their patron, all could very well be wrong.

The non-OAN polls could be too blue while the OAN polls could be too red. In short, don’t trust Gravis polls.

[Music Man]

10. LOL, puts it plainly, doesn't it?

Doesn't it boggle the mind that OAN is for people who find Fox News not conservative enough? Jesus.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

11. I have yet to see a Tweet destroy anything.

Discredit, maybe - - but only in the eyes of a few on our side of the political fence that happen to read it.

Republicans live in their own isolated information bubble and nothing will destroy it short of a collapse of the assets of a boatload of RW billionaires controlling RW social and public media and think tanks.

They create their own reality.

KY

[BGBD]

12. Let's be fair...

All Nate did was sort and post the results, Gravis destroyed themselves by releasing those garbage OANN polls.

Pretty clear what is happening. Polling is expensive and Gravis needs to make money while the iron is hot during an election year and OANN is tossing around Putins money to anyone who is willing to put their name on some fake polls.

[sunonmars]

14. I did an OP a few weeks ago about how certain pollsters were suddenly finding close poll "results"

Points right back to what they did in 2016 to lower the poll average and make it look close enough to steal.

[sunonmars]

13. He's basically saying, they are being paid to come up with whatever the client wants them to.

They'll be getting banned on 538 soon if he can prove it.

[BGBD]

15. Now this...

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