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(8,545 posts)Response to Frances (Reply #1)
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Doodley
(9,088 posts)liberalgunwilltravel
(326 posts)Do these nutters realize that we too have a right to self defense? They are literally threatening bodily harm. How are they going to ract when someone decides to drop them in their tracks?
Celerity
(43,314 posts)aggiesal
(8,911 posts)DSandra
(999 posts)This is the monster we have to deal with in America. A huge percentage of selfish assholes who refuse to do their part. This is the monster that American capitalism has created, dumbing down the nation and promoting a culture of greed and selfishness.
sop
(10,156 posts)enough
(13,256 posts)maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)this photo's probably not recent.
stopdiggin
(11,296 posts)that is now commonly used in support of arguments that are nearly the reverse of what Franklin was advocating at the time. (which is NOT to say that the liberty/security debate is not an important, and crucial, one)
https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famous-liberty-safety-quote-lost-its-context-in-21st-century
SIEGEL: And what was the context of this remark?
WITTES: He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns, the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. And the legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War. And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern. And so he actually meant purchase a little temporary safety very literally. The Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging that it did not have the authority to tax it.
SIEGEL: So far from being a pro-privacy quotation, if anything, it's a pro-taxation and pro-defense spending quotation.
WITTES: It is a quotation that defends the authority of a legislature to govern in the interests of collective security. It means, in context, not quite the opposite of what it's almost always quoted as saying but much closer to the opposite than to the thing that people think it means.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)They don't even have the knowledge to reference his quote correctly.
Sometimes I imagine out founding fathers sitting around drinking ale and alternating between laughing uproariously at this nightmare and crying sadly.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Apparently wearing masks reduces our own chance of getting the virus (or if we do get it, more likely to be a minor case).
tblue37
(65,328 posts)"Your dead kids dont trump my constitutional rights" (to have guns).
StevieM
(10,500 posts)But your point is taken.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Forcibly if necessary.
lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)Drop a firecracker behind him and watch him wet his pants.
Patterson
(1,529 posts)belpejic
(720 posts)Might have a problem accessing his firearm if he had to respond to a noise behind him.
He'd probably fumble his weapon and shoot hisself in the toe.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)Probably they drink and drive.
kairos12
(12,852 posts)rickyhall
(4,889 posts)I really have no problem with masks or condoms. However, I do have a problem with persecuting people just for getting high. That's where they fuck with my freedom.
Grokenstein
(5,722 posts)(collapses in coughing fit)
Nevilledog
(51,080 posts)chriscan64
(1,789 posts)"Freedom of religion" means a world free of the wrong religions.
keithbvadu2
(36,775 posts)Trumpsters don't like masks.
keithbvadu2
(36,775 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)I kind of hate these people.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Its a gobsmacker!
They think theyre immune? That we are the only ones who can get it? Jesushchrist!
Response to lunatica (Reply #27)
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pansypoo53219
(20,972 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,259 posts)Because LEO's arrest people and put them in jail -- which is exactly sacrificing their liberty for the safety of the public at large. Don't want to trade your liberty for someone else's safety ? Just obey the law, and it shouldn't be a problem. If the law says wear a mask, wear a mask -- or go to jail.
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Lonestarblue
(9,971 posts)The federal government set the Food Rationing Program into motion in 1942 to control supply and demandand pricesfor food and basic commodities. Rationing was introduced to avoid public anger with shortages and to avoid only the wealthy being able to afford basic commodities. If the federal government had the right to issue ration books to every family in the US and enforce price controls, then it certainly has the right to issue an order to wear a mask in public. Of course we know that Trump will never do that.
During WWII people worked together and shared the sacrifices necessary in a world war. Todays privileged people like the ones in the OP and other Trump supporters refuse to work for the common good even though we are in a world war called a pandemic. Theyre not patriots; theyre the kind of people who would have insisted that other people should starve so that they could selfishly have all the food and gasoline they wanted whenever they wanted. Tribal politics have completely eliminated the notion of the common good and shared sacrifice.
Nevilledog
(51,080 posts)Cha
(297,151 posts)Fucking Brainwashed MORONS
Nevilledog
(51,080 posts)Yeah, they're morons.
Cha
(297,151 posts)do they have a fucking CLUE!
Nevilledog
(51,080 posts)It's unavoidable.
Cha
(297,151 posts)Smartest person in the World.. like their Putin PUPPET!
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)Nevilledog
(51,080 posts)KelleyKramer
(8,958 posts)They seem nice
I bet they are wonderful neighbors
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Ironically considerate of them.
Nevilledog
(51,080 posts)They're prone to no signal, faith-based lane changes.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)I think it was more of a problem of people opening their eyes to see the reality of a sizable group of people who make up a weird nationalistic death cult.
Progressive dog
(6,900 posts)What do you suppose the badge on Wyatt Twerp's shirt is for and where is his horse?