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They're not even pretending anymore. (Original Post) Nevilledog Jul 2020 OP
Antichrist Frances Jul 2020 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Nevilledog Jul 2020 #2
Nutters. Complete nutters! Doodley Jul 2020 #3
Self-defense liberalgunwilltravel Jul 2020 #8
+1000 Celerity Jul 2020 #42
I call them COVIDIOTS n/t aggiesal Jul 2020 #36
Finally being honest for once... DSandra Jul 2020 #4
The Second Amendment rights people have been saying that for years. sop Jul 2020 #5
Pretty funny. I guess they also won't trade their freedom for their own safety. NT enough Jul 2020 #6
Is Freedom in Quotes? maxsolomon Jul 2020 #7
a referrence to a Ben Franklin quote stopdiggin Jul 2020 #9
Note that Franklin included key word: ESSENTIAL liberty. Convenience is not essential. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #18
Yes exactly. cwydro Jul 2020 #19
Thank you for posting that background. Fascinating! . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #20
I wonder if they would do it for their OWN safety? flibbitygiblets Jul 2020 #10
Remember what Joe the Plumber said: tblue37 Jul 2020 #11
Remember, he was neither Joe nor a plumber. StevieM Jul 2020 #24
There's something seriously wrong with people like this. They're off in the head. NurseJackie Jul 2020 #12
People like this should be quarantined. roamer65 Jul 2020 #13
Boy howdy. lpbk2713 Jul 2020 #14
Or throw a snake on him. Patterson Jul 2020 #32
Looks like Quick Draw McGraw belpejic Jul 2020 #46
Apparently for Cons, a moment of discomfort trumps a human life Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #15
That should replace MAGA as their chief slogan. kairos12 Jul 2020 #16
I'm not sure if their "freedom" is worth killing innocent people. rickyhall Jul 2020 #17
"People are finally payin' attention to me!" Grokenstein Jul 2020 #21
I looked at picture close up.... It was taken in my town. Lots of these types here. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #23
They always forget their freedom ends where other's begin. chriscan64 Jul 2020 #22
Trumpsters don't like masks. keithbvadu2 Jul 2020 #25
Unless it makes them look tough keithbvadu2 Jul 2020 #26
well, that's enraging. renate Jul 2020 #33
That must be the stupidest nofuckingclue sign of all time. lunatica Jul 2020 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Nevilledog Jul 2020 #28
who's the snowflakes? pansypoo53219 Jul 2020 #29
Um ... is this guy pretending to be a LEO ? eppur_se_muova Jul 2020 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Nevilledog Jul 2020 #31
During WWII, the federal government imposed rationing to prevent the privileged from hogging food. Lonestarblue Jul 2020 #34
These types would forge rationing books. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #35
They won't trade their own FREEDUMB for their OWN SAFETY.. Cha Jul 2020 #37
That's cuz they're tough, and smart, and American..... Nevilledog Jul 2020 #38
& belong to the Putin Puppet Cult.. so Not American.. little Cha Jul 2020 #41
When you're that stupid you don't know you're that stupid. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #43
lol.. true.. you think you're the Cha Jul 2020 #44
Correct! Nevilledog Jul 2020 #45
So "All Lives Don't Matter?" TeamPooka Jul 2020 #39
Seems that way, doesn't it? Nevilledog Jul 2020 #40
Well, I see he has his policeman cosplay outfit on KelleyKramer Jul 2020 #47
I have to say, I do prefer assholes who come with warning signs. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2020 #48
Yup.... See a trump bumper sticker? Give em distance. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #50
Were they ever really pretending? Politicub Jul 2020 #49
There is no freedom to spread disease and never was. Progressive dog Jul 2020 #51

Response to Frances (Reply #1)

8. Self-defense
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 03:24 PM
Jul 2020

Do these nutters realize that we too have a right to self defense? They are literally threatening bodily harm. How are they going to ract when someone decides to drop them in their tracks?

DSandra

(999 posts)
4. Finally being honest for once...
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 02:20 PM
Jul 2020

This is the monster we have to deal with in America. A huge percentage of selfish assholes who refuse to do their part. This is the monster that American capitalism has created, dumbing down the nation and promoting a culture of greed and selfishness.

stopdiggin

(11,296 posts)
9. a referrence to a Ben Franklin quote
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 03:31 PM
Jul 2020

that is now commonly used in support of arguments that are nearly the reverse of what Franklin was advocating at the time. (which is NOT to say that the liberty/security debate is not an important, and crucial, one)

https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famous-liberty-safety-quote-lost-its-context-in-21st-century

WITTES: The exact quotation, which is from a letter that Franklin is believed to have written on behalf of the Pennsylvania General Assembly, reads, "those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

SIEGEL: And what was the context of this remark?

WITTES: He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns, the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. And the legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War. And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern. And so he actually meant purchase a little temporary safety very literally. The Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging that it did not have the authority to tax it.

SIEGEL: So far from being a pro-privacy quotation, if anything, it's a pro-taxation and pro-defense spending quotation.

WITTES: It is a quotation that defends the authority of a legislature to govern in the interests of collective security. It means, in context, not quite the opposite of what it's almost always quoted as saying but much closer to the opposite than to the thing that people think it means.
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
19. Yes exactly.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 03:57 PM
Jul 2020

They don't even have the knowledge to reference his quote correctly.

Sometimes I imagine out founding fathers sitting around drinking ale and alternating between laughing uproariously at this nightmare and crying sadly.

tblue37

(65,328 posts)
11. Remember what Joe the Plumber said:
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 03:44 PM
Jul 2020

"Your dead kids don’t trump my constitutional rights" (to have guns).

belpejic

(720 posts)
46. Looks like Quick Draw McGraw
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:36 AM
Jul 2020

Might have a problem accessing his firearm if he had to respond to a noise behind him.

He'd probably fumble his weapon and shoot hisself in the toe.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
17. I'm not sure if their "freedom" is worth killing innocent people.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 03:50 PM
Jul 2020

I really have no problem with masks or condoms. However, I do have a problem with persecuting people just for getting high. That's where they fuck with my freedom.

chriscan64

(1,789 posts)
22. They always forget their freedom ends where other's begin.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:05 PM
Jul 2020

"Freedom of religion" means a world free of the wrong religions.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
27. That must be the stupidest nofuckingclue sign of all time.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:24 PM
Jul 2020

It’s a gobsmacker!

They think they’re immune? That we are the only ones who can get it? Jesushchrist!

Response to lunatica (Reply #27)

eppur_se_muova

(36,259 posts)
30. Um ... is this guy pretending to be a LEO ?
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 04:49 PM
Jul 2020

Because LEO's arrest people and put them in jail -- which is exactly sacrificing their liberty for the safety of the public at large. Don't want to trade your liberty for someone else's safety ? Just obey the law, and it shouldn't be a problem. If the law says wear a mask, wear a mask -- or go to jail.

Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #30)

Lonestarblue

(9,971 posts)
34. During WWII, the federal government imposed rationing to prevent the privileged from hogging food.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 05:12 PM
Jul 2020

The federal government set the Food Rationing Program into motion in 1942 to control supply and demand—and prices—for food and basic commodities. Rationing was introduced to avoid public anger with shortages and to avoid only the wealthy being able to afford basic commodities. If the federal government had the right to issue ration books to every family in the US and enforce price controls, then it certainly has the right to issue an order to wear a mask in public. Of course we know that Trump will never do that.

During WWII people worked together and shared the sacrifices necessary in a world war. Today’s privileged people like the ones in the OP and other Trump supporters refuse to work for the common good even though we are in a world war called a pandemic. They’re not patriots; they’re the kind of people who would have insisted that other people should starve so that they could selfishly have all the food and gasoline they wanted whenever they wanted. Tribal politics have completely eliminated the notion of the common good and shared sacrifice.

Nevilledog

(51,080 posts)
50. Yup.... See a trump bumper sticker? Give em distance.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 12:36 PM
Jul 2020

They're prone to no signal, faith-based lane changes.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
49. Were they ever really pretending?
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 12:35 PM
Jul 2020

I think it was more of a problem of people opening their eyes to see the reality of a sizable group of people who make up a weird nationalistic death cult.

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
51. There is no freedom to spread disease and never was.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:50 PM
Jul 2020

What do you suppose the badge on Wyatt Twerp's shirt is for and where is his horse?

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