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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat Susan Rice as V.P. could do that no other candidate could:
she could travel and would be welcome to world capitals she visited earlier on behalf of the Obama administration and be a strong and calming presence. I see that as a huge plus mark for her shot at the spot on the ticket.
Capitals around the world have been shaken to their foundations by the U.S. under Trump. Rice would be a calming, reassuring and friendly presence.
And wouldn't that be a great thing?
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)can travel around the world and be a strong and calming presence???
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)Experience is a good thing.
I am sure, however, that any of the other candidates under consideration would also be welcome and be wonderful towards those countries. I am just singling out Rice because she has the special quality and experience.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)which is actually the role you are describing.
Kamala for VP and Susan foe SoS.
That's how I see things shaping up. I could be wrong, but that's what I think Joe is going to do.
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)But not as Sec. of State (further down the line).
temporary311
(955 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)Don't get me wrong, she'd be a great VP, but there other jobs she'd be great at, too.
I'd love to see RW heads explode if Biden appointed an all woman cabinet. Wouldn't that be something?
Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)Knowing that we'll need someone to follow up Biden and possibly in 4 years, not 8, the woman we have as VP needs to be the woman we want as POTUS.
My #1 pick!
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)BComplex
(8,036 posts)She's ready to hit the ground running on day 1.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)brush
(53,764 posts)It's not an unheard of thing.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Because, uh, he's Biden.
brush
(53,764 posts)international missions. Is that better?
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Biden doesn't need to lean on Rice's experience.
brush
(53,764 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Why does Biden need someone with foreign policy experience on the ticket when he brings that with him as a presidential candidate? It's not hard to grasp: if Rice's biggest positive is her foreign policy experience, which is also something Biden is really strong in, then I don't see why she should be on the ticket. Put her in the Sec. of State role if that's the case and bring someone in who's a current office holder since that balances the ticket out way more than two foreign policy strong partners.
brush
(53,764 posts)working closely with a fine president in a successful administration not a good thing? You prefer someone else. Nothing wrong with that.
I myself thinks she would be an excellent VP with legitimate credentials to step in in case Biden can't continue.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)And that's the only thing that matters right now.
Biden wasn't picked as Obama's VP because he had some great ideas and they got along really well together. Biden was picked because Obama needed to shore up his experience gap and adding Biden, who had a wealth of experience as both a senator, and someone who was not only on the Foreign Relations Committee (for 30-plus years & chaired the committee from 2001-2003 and then again from 2007-2008) but the Judiciary Committee. He shored up some of Obama's biggest areas of weakness - which is typical of a VP candidate (his regional play in the rust-belt also helped).
In fact, it's almost universal. Even Trump brought some Washington clout to his ticket, choosing Pence, who was a member of Congress for a decade.
Rice is very qualified but her qualifications don't round out the ticket. They just don't. Biden is not going to be worse off in the foreign policy arena with her as, say, Sec. of State, as opposed to VP.
That's where I come from.
At the end of the day, does she help Biden win in November? I'm not so sure.
And that's why I am more inclined to support someone like Val Demings or Kamala Harris, two individuals who've been elected recently, which I think helps, and bring some level of experience that is just not there for Rice - namely Harris with her strong national standing and Demings with her police chief background + the fact she comes from a swing state.
Rice is not an outsider. Rice is a career unelected diplomat and frankly, I don't know if that will play well in this election.
And this is coming from someone who's advocated for a Biden-Rice ticket for over a year now.
2020 is not a big foreign policy election. Granted, the COVID crisis is internationally tied, and we will absolutely need to repair our broken diplomatic relationships - but this is now a domestic election. It's going to be about rebuilding the economy, fixing systemic racism at home and, likely, reforming our police forces.
Rice has no experience whatsoever in any of those arenas. Harris, being a sitting senator, does. Demings, being a former cop, and now a member of the House, does.
Domestically, I don't know where Rice stands on a lot of issues. Which, obviously, can be a positive, but it also can be a negative because, as a blank slate in that regard, you're not quite sure what you'll get.
I just feel this election is too important to take a risk like that. Especially when Rice is tied to Benghazi and I watched for years how the right vilified Hillary over it and, whether we want to admit it or not, those attacks worked. They hurt. I don't want to relive that line over and over again if we don't need to and you may say that's not a legitimate reason, or it's giving into the hate-mongers on the right, but at the end of the day, beyond shoring up the areas of weakness for the nominee, a VP candidate's biggest duty is to do no harm.
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)Do you also see what I see? that this is a different presidential race than what we are used to: usually the VP candidate brings a state or a group of states. In normal times, that makes sense. But these aren't normal times: the stakes are higher internationally because Trump has wrecked the reputation of the US all over the world. What we need now is a team that can restore respect for the US with our fellow nations.
This might be what is uppermost in Biden's mind if he chooses Rice.
This is the argument as I see it for Susan Rice as VP.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)I wouldn't complain if she were chosen, but that particular qualification - foreign relations - is also held by Biden himself. I think she might be put to better use as SoS.
Raven123
(4,828 posts)Mme. Defarge
(8,027 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)to Ryan in the debates .
I think Rice would be underestimated and then be a star coming out of the campaign and debate.
This should not be a difficult choice
JI7
(89,247 posts)be perfect for that .
Me.
(35,454 posts)are the ones who would be expected to vote for she and Veep Biden.
leanforward
(1,076 posts)of State with a background in National Security.
There will be a LOT of domestic cleanup.
kyburbonkid
(251 posts)among many many good choices. I hope she accepts if offered.
lostnfound
(16,173 posts)Elizabeth knows the economy and domestic affairs. I dont think biden will pick her though. My second choice is Susan Rice. I like smart as hell, calm people. Shes brilliant, very mature personality, had Obamas trust, good relationship with Biden, and would make a great president.