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CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 07:37 PM Jul 2020

What Susan Rice as V.P. could do that no other candidate could:

she could travel and would be welcome to world capitals she visited earlier on behalf of the Obama administration and be a strong and calming presence. I see that as a huge plus mark for her shot at the spot on the ticket.

Capitals around the world have been shaken to their foundations by the U.S. under Trump. Rice would be a calming, reassuring and friendly presence.

And wouldn't that be a great thing?

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What Susan Rice as V.P. could do that no other candidate could: (Original Post) CTyankee Jul 2020 OP
explain to me why no other candidate qazplm135 Jul 2020 #1
They can but not like her. They know her. CTyankee Jul 2020 #5
so make her Secy of State qazplm135 Jul 2020 #14
Yes! calguy Jul 2020 #19
+1 nt PunkinPi Jul 2020 #30
But should god forbid anything happens to Biden, she would become President as VP. CTyankee Jul 2020 #26
Thats sounds more like a Sec. of State job than a VP job. temporary311 Jul 2020 #2
She could do the same as Sec of State, too... Wounded Bear Jul 2020 #3
Love her and would prefer her to be in line as Biden's successor, very important Alex4Martinez Jul 2020 #4
+1 2naSalit Jul 2020 #12
And that woman should be Elizabeth Warren. BComplex Jul 2020 #31
Sounds like you're advocating for her to be Sec. of State. I agree with that. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #6
Pres. Obama put Biden in charge of some internation missions. brush Jul 2020 #8
Except Biden doesn't need a Biden. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #15
Huh? Guess I should said Pres. O put his VP in charge of some... brush Jul 2020 #16
Obama leaned on Biden's experience. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #17
Just say what you're getting at. If you don't like Rice just say it. brush Jul 2020 #18
It's not hard to see what I am getting at. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #21
How is foreign policy experience, as well as experience in... brush Jul 2020 #22
It is a great thing! It's not what is needed to win, however. Drunken Irishman Jul 2020 #23
You've described a perfect wrap up of this whole argument. CTyankee Jul 2020 #25
She's certainly qualified as a possible running mate, and The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #7
The sheer volume of domestic work will keep POTUS and VP busy. Rice better as Sec of State Raven123 Jul 2020 #9
Of paramount importance! Mme. Defarge Jul 2020 #10
Susan Rice is kind of similar to Biden. I can see her do to Pence what Biden did JI7 Jul 2020 #11
Yes Awsi Dooger Jul 2020 #28
As others have said what you describe is for the sec of state and she would JI7 Jul 2020 #13
But THe People Who Don't Really Know Her Me. Jul 2020 #20
Madam Secretary leanforward Jul 2020 #24
My first choice kyburbonkid Jul 2020 #27
If not Elizabeth as VP, then Susan Ruce lostnfound Jul 2020 #29

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
1. explain to me why no other candidate
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 07:39 PM
Jul 2020

can travel around the world and be a strong and calming presence???

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
5. They can but not like her. They know her.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 07:42 PM
Jul 2020

Experience is a good thing.

I am sure, however, that any of the other candidates under consideration would also be welcome and be wonderful towards those countries. I am just singling out Rice because she has the special quality and experience.

calguy

(5,306 posts)
19. Yes!
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 08:46 PM
Jul 2020

Kamala for VP and Susan foe SoS.
That's how I see things shaping up. I could be wrong, but that's what I think Joe is going to do.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
26. But should god forbid anything happens to Biden, she would become President as VP.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 10:24 PM
Jul 2020

But not as Sec. of State (further down the line).

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
3. She could do the same as Sec of State, too...
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 07:40 PM
Jul 2020

Don't get me wrong, she'd be a great VP, but there other jobs she'd be great at, too.

I'd love to see RW heads explode if Biden appointed an all woman cabinet. Wouldn't that be something?

Alex4Martinez

(2,193 posts)
4. Love her and would prefer her to be in line as Biden's successor, very important
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 07:41 PM
Jul 2020

Knowing that we'll need someone to follow up Biden and possibly in 4 years, not 8, the woman we have as VP needs to be the woman we want as POTUS.

My #1 pick!

brush

(53,764 posts)
16. Huh? Guess I should said Pres. O put his VP in charge of some...
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 08:35 PM
Jul 2020

international missions. Is that better?

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
21. It's not hard to see what I am getting at.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 08:59 PM
Jul 2020

Why does Biden need someone with foreign policy experience on the ticket when he brings that with him as a presidential candidate? It's not hard to grasp: if Rice's biggest positive is her foreign policy experience, which is also something Biden is really strong in, then I don't see why she should be on the ticket. Put her in the Sec. of State role if that's the case and bring someone in who's a current office holder since that balances the ticket out way more than two foreign policy strong partners.

brush

(53,764 posts)
22. How is foreign policy experience, as well as experience in...
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 09:07 PM
Jul 2020

working closely with a fine president in a successful administration not a good thing? You prefer someone else. Nothing wrong with that.

I myself thinks she would be an excellent VP with legitimate credentials to step in in case Biden can't continue.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
23. It is a great thing! It's not what is needed to win, however.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 09:24 PM
Jul 2020

And that's the only thing that matters right now.

Biden wasn't picked as Obama's VP because he had some great ideas and they got along really well together. Biden was picked because Obama needed to shore up his experience gap and adding Biden, who had a wealth of experience as both a senator, and someone who was not only on the Foreign Relations Committee (for 30-plus years & chaired the committee from 2001-2003 and then again from 2007-2008) but the Judiciary Committee. He shored up some of Obama's biggest areas of weakness - which is typical of a VP candidate (his regional play in the rust-belt also helped).

In fact, it's almost universal. Even Trump brought some Washington clout to his ticket, choosing Pence, who was a member of Congress for a decade.

Rice is very qualified but her qualifications don't round out the ticket. They just don't. Biden is not going to be worse off in the foreign policy arena with her as, say, Sec. of State, as opposed to VP.

That's where I come from.

At the end of the day, does she help Biden win in November? I'm not so sure.

And that's why I am more inclined to support someone like Val Demings or Kamala Harris, two individuals who've been elected recently, which I think helps, and bring some level of experience that is just not there for Rice - namely Harris with her strong national standing and Demings with her police chief background + the fact she comes from a swing state.

Rice is not an outsider. Rice is a career unelected diplomat and frankly, I don't know if that will play well in this election.

And this is coming from someone who's advocated for a Biden-Rice ticket for over a year now.

2020 is not a big foreign policy election. Granted, the COVID crisis is internationally tied, and we will absolutely need to repair our broken diplomatic relationships - but this is now a domestic election. It's going to be about rebuilding the economy, fixing systemic racism at home and, likely, reforming our police forces.

Rice has no experience whatsoever in any of those arenas. Harris, being a sitting senator, does. Demings, being a former cop, and now a member of the House, does.

Domestically, I don't know where Rice stands on a lot of issues. Which, obviously, can be a positive, but it also can be a negative because, as a blank slate in that regard, you're not quite sure what you'll get.

I just feel this election is too important to take a risk like that. Especially when Rice is tied to Benghazi and I watched for years how the right vilified Hillary over it and, whether we want to admit it or not, those attacks worked. They hurt. I don't want to relive that line over and over again if we don't need to and you may say that's not a legitimate reason, or it's giving into the hate-mongers on the right, but at the end of the day, beyond shoring up the areas of weakness for the nominee, a VP candidate's biggest duty is to do no harm.

CTyankee

(63,903 posts)
25. You've described a perfect wrap up of this whole argument.
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 10:15 PM
Jul 2020

Do you also see what I see? that this is a different presidential race than what we are used to: usually the VP candidate brings a state or a group of states. In normal times, that makes sense. But these aren't normal times: the stakes are higher internationally because Trump has wrecked the reputation of the US all over the world. What we need now is a team that can restore respect for the US with our fellow nations.

This might be what is uppermost in Biden's mind if he chooses Rice.

This is the argument as I see it for Susan Rice as VP.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
7. She's certainly qualified as a possible running mate, and
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 07:47 PM
Jul 2020

I wouldn't complain if she were chosen, but that particular qualification - foreign relations - is also held by Biden himself. I think she might be put to better use as SoS.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
11. Susan Rice is kind of similar to Biden. I can see her do to Pence what Biden did
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 07:51 PM
Jul 2020

to Ryan in the debates .

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
28. Yes
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 10:50 PM
Jul 2020

I think Rice would be underestimated and then be a star coming out of the campaign and debate.

This should not be a difficult choice

JI7

(89,247 posts)
13. As others have said what you describe is for the sec of state and she would
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 07:54 PM
Jul 2020

be perfect for that .

Me.

(35,454 posts)
20. But THe People Who Don't Really Know Her
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 08:51 PM
Jul 2020

are the ones who would be expected to vote for she and Veep Biden.

leanforward

(1,076 posts)
24. Madam Secretary
Tue Jul 14, 2020, 09:26 PM
Jul 2020

of State with a background in National Security.

There will be a LOT of domestic cleanup.

lostnfound

(16,173 posts)
29. If not Elizabeth as VP, then Susan Ruce
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 06:01 AM
Jul 2020

Elizabeth knows the economy and domestic affairs. I don’t think biden will pick her though. My second choice is Susan Rice. I like smart as hell, calm people. She’s brilliant, very mature personality, had Obama’s trust, good relationship with Biden, and would make a great president.

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