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Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:02 PM

Do you trust a vaccine that's been "fast tracked?"

There's a vaccine out there that's been "fast tracked" by skipping a few of the steps that are usually involved in testing the effectiveness and safety of a new vaccine.

It's the Federal Drug Administration (FDA) that has always safeguarded us regarding new drugs/vaccines, etc. However, the FDA is part of the administrative branch of government, -- which means that the White House (Trump) can order them to okay something that may or may not be safe.

Look at how Trump has castrated the Center for Disease Control (CDC) which has, for many, many decades, been the most trusted public health organization in the world before this crazed, madman president came along.

Who knows how many people were used in testing this vaccine? Have they been exposed to Covid-19 to see if the vaccine if effective? Who knows?

I believe that all vaccines currently in use have gone through exhaustive (and years of) testing, before they were approved. Not this time. Right now, we have a crazy man who wants to get reelected and would have you believe that this "new" vaccine, or even Clorox, will help his campaign.

Would you be willing to take this vaccine immediately? I sure as hell wouldn't, before about six months or maybe longer. At this moment, given that Trump has "fast tracked" this vaccine, I hope it doesn't kill more people than it helps.

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Reply Do you trust a vaccine that's been "fast tracked?" (Original post)
Cyrano Jul 2020 OP
NoMoreRepugs Jul 2020 #1
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #2
NurseJackie Jul 2020 #47
Kablooie Jul 2020 #3
exboyfil Jul 2020 #5
Nevilledog Jul 2020 #6
exboyfil Jul 2020 #4
uppityperson Jul 2020 #7
Brainfodder Jul 2020 #8
Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #9
ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #11
HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #25
octoberlib Jul 2020 #29
Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #44
fescuerescue Jul 2020 #10
ansible Jul 2020 #12
uponit7771 Jul 2020 #36
gollygee Jul 2020 #37
Mike 03 Jul 2020 #13
empedocles Jul 2020 #17
Marrah_Goodman Jul 2020 #14
customerserviceguy Jul 2020 #15
Wounded Bear Jul 2020 #16
Faux pas Jul 2020 #18
SoonerPride Jul 2020 #19
uponit7771 Jul 2020 #35
Midnight Writer Jul 2020 #20
uponit7771 Jul 2020 #34
jpak Jul 2020 #21
tinrobot Jul 2020 #22
Doreen Jul 2020 #23
blueinredohio Jul 2020 #24
Maeve Jul 2020 #26
GeorgeGist Jul 2020 #27
uponit7771 Jul 2020 #31
uponit7771 Jul 2020 #28
gollygee Jul 2020 #30
uponit7771 Jul 2020 #32
gollygee Jul 2020 #39
uponit7771 Jul 2020 #45
gollygee Jul 2020 #48
uponit7771 Jul 2020 #33
egduj Jul 2020 #38
totodeinhere Jul 2020 #40
tavernier Jul 2020 #41
kairos12 Jul 2020 #42
BSdetect Jul 2020 #43
uponit7771 Jul 2020 #46
Happy Hoosier Jul 2020 #50
uponit7771 Jul 2020 #51
gollygee Jul 2020 #52
uponit7771 Jul 2020 #55
Happy Hoosier Jul 2020 #53
Happy Hoosier Jul 2020 #49
gollygee Jul 2020 #54
uponit7771 Jul 2020 #56
Happy Hoosier Jul 2020 #58
Politicub Jul 2020 #57

Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:04 PM

1. Count me as a NO.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:05 PM

2. I am the farthest thing from an anti-vaxxer, but I would be very skeptical

of any vaccine that was announced before the election that it was ready to go. I think I'd just stay at home as I've been doing and wait awhile to see if it actually works.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 16, 2020, 07:22 AM

47. Receiving the vaccine is probably safer than getting the virus...

Receiving the vaccine is probably safer than getting the virus, but I really wouldn't trust its effectiveness. I wouldn't just assume that it was going to work for me and live my life like it's 2018 again.

I'm not at all opposed to fast-tracking... I'm just not willing to trust MY life to it.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:05 PM

3. It would probalby be best to wait until another country okays a vaccine.

The Trump vaccine will almost certainly have problems when it's inevitably released too soon.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:06 PM

5. It depends on the country

Many are under the same political pressure as the US.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:07 PM

6. +1000000

So long as it wasn't Russia, Saudi Arabia or Brazil.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:05 PM

4. No

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:07 PM

7. Oh hell no

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:07 PM

8. After the masses have at it for a couple months, maybe?

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:09 PM

9. Yes, and I get a vaccine or placebo in two weeks.

It's a killed virus vaccine and we need one badly. So, I enrolled for the Phase 3 study and was accepted. I'm a scientist so, what the heck. Let's Do This!

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:12 PM

11. Same Here

My trust lies in the professionals doing the work.
An idiot in the White House does not automatically negate the years of experience & professionalism of those developing it.
Fast tracking is a function of the seriousness of the situation, not necessarily linked to sloppiness on the part of experts.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 02:43 PM

25. Agreed.

 

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 06:52 PM

29. The Moderna phase 3 starts in a couple weeks . Mika was talking about it this morning on Morning Joe

They've had good results so far.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #29)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 07:52 PM

44. I THINK that's the one I am in

But I won't know for certain until they call me in for my first appointment. Just notified a few days ago I was selected

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:11 PM

10. It's not just the United States in this

All the other countries have some form of drug regulation and approval as well.

Also, it's 50/50 if the US will even be the country that first manufactures a vaccine.

There will be lots of indicators other than the FDA.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:13 PM

12. It can take years for the full side effects of vaccines to reveal themselves

 

Get used to the coronavirus being a daily part of our lives from now on. It's not going away for a long time, and no vaccine is going to save us.

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Response to ansible (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 07:11 PM

36. +1, In S Korea they have 98% accurate 7 min test. If we had that wide use here we could damn near...

... get back to a level or normality but Trump is Joker from Dark Knight, the stupid version who wants the world to burn down

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Response to ansible (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 07:15 PM

37. We know that there are horrible long-term effects from the virus

Vaccines are incredibly safe, particularly when compared to this virus.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:14 PM

13. Don't think so. Maybe if the W.H.O. or Angela Merkel or Justin Trudeau fast tracked it, but not

if Trump or some Trump-ruined institution is involved.

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:19 PM

17. Exactly.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:15 PM

14. I would take it if the WHO was behind it

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:17 PM

15. While I'm sure

that a fair amount of the time needed to develop a vaccine (often cited as eighteen months) involves a not-minimal amount of bureaucratic delay that can be done away with, I'm also sure that it really does time to develop an effective vaccine that has been verified to be safe from having been tested in statistically significant groups of people.

I won't be rushing to get the first vaccine out there, mainly because I don't have to. Being retired, we're under no pressure to get back to a job, and we can maintain our lifestyle with weekly grocery trips and the rare occasional doctor or lab visit. Sure, I miss eating a good seafood dish at a local restaurant (customerservicegal will not let me cook fish in our kitchen) but I can live without it. Same goes for movies, concerts, and travel out of our area.

Besides, health care professionals and first responders need to get the vaccine first, followed by essential workers who keep things running smoothly for the rest of us. By the time they all get what they need, we will have a clearer picture of what vaccine is best among the available options.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:18 PM

16. List me in the "skeptical" column...nt

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:20 PM

18. Nope

not a chance in hell. In fact, I'd believe it would kill us faster.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:20 PM

19. I expect full safety and efficacy trials

Without that I wonít be a guinea pig.

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #19)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 07:08 PM

35. +1, my understanding the time testing is what is being short changed. The last time that happened

... a lot of people were killed in the 1918 when people thought a non time tested vaccine was effective, it wasn't.

60,000 person study in Spain are indicating immunity is short lived; no longer than a couple of months.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:55 PM

20. No. Any vaccine that comes out before the election is suspect.

I intend to stick to my current prevention protocols and wait for confirmation of results or a second generation vaccine.

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 07:04 PM

34. +1, the last time that happened the "vaccine" got a lot of people killed. The "Second Wave" during

... the 1918 plague was in part because people thought there was a vaccine that worked.

It didn't and people would've known about it not working if it was time tested properly.

It was and it looks like this vaccine isn't going to be time tested for safety either.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:59 PM

21. I would

Yuperoo

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 01:59 PM

22. Depends. If Trump starts hawking it like hydroxychloroquine, then no...

If Fauci and many other experts think it is worth taking, then probably.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 02:05 PM

23. I will only take something if Fauci says on national tv that he recommends it.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 02:36 PM

24. Nope especially anything that is done under this administration.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 02:46 PM

26. Not for the first season, at least

Y'all who want to be test subjects, go ahead. I'm old enough to remember the Swine Flu debacle of 1976 (which means I'm also old enough to be at risk for covid complications). Mask and hand washing for me.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 06:49 PM

27. Flu vaccines are fast-tracked every year.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #27)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 06:53 PM

31. This isn't a flu virus, no vaccine for common cold has been found ... this is new new not based on

... a mutated form of a virus that has already had a vaccine for it.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 06:51 PM

28. No, last 3 out of 4 got people killed or harmed. This is stupid to do it again, horror movie shit

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 06:53 PM

30. Yes

I know someone who is working on a vaccine for COVID-19. They are taking it seriously. It has gone to human trials early, but the science behind the development is the same.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #30)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 06:58 PM

32. 9 women can't make one baby in a month, not testing the vaccine over time seems like needless

... danger.

Also, I've not read one article or heard one explanation of why we should trust a vaccine this time vs what happened in the last major politicized plague ... that vaccine was useless against the virus and the "second wave" from it was from that vaccine not being time tested and people running out thinking their was a vaccine.

The "second wave" of 1918 didn't occur without the false information related to the vaccine

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 07:22 PM

39. It's been 100 years since then

and there are things that can be sped up without risking public safety, and things that can't be sped up. They are only speeding up when they do human trials.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #39)

Thu Jul 16, 2020, 06:59 AM

45. No it hasn't, it was 76 the last time a rushed vaccine hurt people

... they're still not telling us how they're getting past the time testing issues so quickly.

the human trials is what needed to make sure the vaccine does not hurt people after 6 months or after a year how are they getting past that?

We need to know that answer

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #45)

Thu Jul 16, 2020, 08:22 AM

48. They used a live virus in 1976

which is why they don't use a live virus anymore. Also, 45 million people were vaccinated, and 450 got sick. It wasn't as dangerous as the anti-vaxxers make it sound.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 07:00 PM

33. The trepidation regarding a vaccine is well founded, let MAGA Cultist be first

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 07:19 PM

38. To borrow the words of the great General Beringer,

"I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it'd do any good."

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 07:24 PM

40. If I were facing a high likelihood of death from the virus and if a significant portion of

the population were testing positive I might take a chance on the vaccine if I decide I have nothing to lose.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 07:27 PM

41. Oxford was saying months ago that their vaccine is one that was safely used for a different virus

years ago and therefore is established and tested, but appears to be effective for Covid 19. Now this was quite a while ago and whether thatís the same vaccine that theyíve been doing new studies on for the last few months, Iím not certain, but if itís the same one it is already safety proven on humans.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 07:37 PM

42. Trump Steak Vaccine. No.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2020, 07:42 PM

43. The polio vaccine was effective but I doubt any produced in the next few months will be as good.

Calling it a vaccine gives it probably undeserved credit.

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Response to BSdetect (Reply #43)

Thu Jul 16, 2020, 07:15 AM

46. The first batch of polio vaccine was not effective and it killed a lot of people. That's an example

. A rushed vaccine being put on the market in not time tested or safety tested

That's all they have to do is make sure batches of this stuff goes out randomly test it and they didn't do it during the polio virus

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #46)

Thu Jul 16, 2020, 08:25 AM

50. We know a LOT more about vaccines now. NT

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Response to Happy Hoosier (Reply #50)

Thu Jul 16, 2020, 08:30 AM

51. Of course, but its killing viruses were we haven't advanced past killing aides or the common cold...

... which CV19 shares some similarity with.

I'm looking at America's history of political responses to viruses via vaccines and its horrible and gets a lot of people needlessly killed.

Be careful

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #51)

Thu Jul 16, 2020, 08:35 AM

52. it isn't "based on" the common cold

They are both coronaviruses, which share some characteristics, like shape. It isn't based on the cold.

Why are you throwing anti-vax propaganda around?

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Response to gollygee (Reply #52)

Thu Jul 16, 2020, 08:43 AM

55. Thx, I'll change the post to "share some characteristics" which doesn't change the sentiment too ...

... much IMHO.

They're similar enough and we don't have a anti viral for the cold no matter what mutation of it.

Either way, not trusting the history of vaccines during a political period in the US isn't anti vax its pro reality; time testing is needed and with the upcoming vaccines its not being done before wide distribution.

Giving 1 million doses to front line workers to a non time tested vaccine sounds like its straight from a horror movie.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #51)

Thu Jul 16, 2020, 08:36 AM

53. Of course. But I heard a doc last night in an interview...

Who said we COULD in fact make a vaccine against common colds, but the problem is "the common cold" is in fact THOUSANDS of viruses, and immunity to one does not necessarily confer immunity to another.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Jul 16, 2020, 08:24 AM

49. I'll look at the data and listen to experts. NT

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Response to Happy Hoosier (Reply #49)

Thu Jul 16, 2020, 08:36 AM

54. I'm glad someone is using some sense

What, no anti-vax conspiracy theories for you?

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Response to Happy Hoosier (Reply #49)

Thu Jul 16, 2020, 09:00 AM

56. No expert is saying we should have anything in less than a year and a half that has ...

... been proven safe and effective with wide use distribution for all ages and stages and comorbidity.

Not one with any credibility to their name

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #56)

Thu Jul 16, 2020, 09:27 AM

58. That's not quite true.

That was there estimate on how long it would take.

My understanding is that researchers have been able to harness some efficiencies from related research that is cutting some months off the time. But make no mistake, it'll be late winter or early spring before we could really have something. I think the "end of the year people are too optimistic. Even if the Phase III trials successfully conclude by the fall, producing enough vaccine for wide distribution will take months.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu Jul 16, 2020, 09:08 AM

57. No. I will wait a while to see what side effects appear, if any.

And if the vaccine is safe, then I'll get it.

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