Wow, Heilmann laid it on on Brian William/s show tonight.....

[OAITW r.2.0]

The Media tone is changing. Williams was framing it and Heilmann finished it. Micheal Steele nodded his head in agreement,

[OAITW r.2.0]

1. Discussion now....is Texas in play?

Steele thinks so. "This is gonna be fun".

[LizBeth]

3. Thanks for telling us what it was about... Good to hear.

[Nevilledog]

2. About what?

[OAITW r.2.0]

4. Sorry, just posting to mention as a "heads up" to see the online repley.

It will be online. Like I said, the media tone in chamging on Trump, the end game is being discussed.

[Nevilledog]

6. Good to hear!

[misanthrope]

5. Did you hear his concluding thoughts?

Williams ran video of pundit Jason Johnson saying we won't have a winner on election night, that it will take a while to get the voluminous mail-in ballots (thanks to the pandemic) counted, during which Trump is going to send teams of lawyers and possibly shows of force to counting centers.

In response, Heilman noted a scenario he heard proffered wherein Trump finds a friendly red state governor to send their national guard troops to surround the White House and protect Trump from being extracted. I don't find that likely.

[Nevilledog]

7. The first part I think it's accurate.

I'm with you on the Guard troops. But look how many times the asshole does crazy stuff.

[misanthrope]

9. I don't think National Guard troops

would remain in place. They have to take orders from superior officers, correct? All it would take is someone cut from the same cloth as Mattis or the other high-ranking officers who have turned on Trump and those troops would stand down.

[Nevilledog]

10. I'd like to think they would view it as an unlawful order.

[misanthrope]

11. There would be a lot folks in the five-sided building across the Potomac

who wouldn't stand for a spectacle like an American President seizing the White House in that manner.

[hlthe2b]

17. Yes... National Guard vs. Active Duty Military, Police, State Police and neighboring Nat. Guard?

No way.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

16. Once Biden takes the oath of office -- which can be given anywhere --

he's the commander-in-chief and Trump is a civilian. Fat Donnie can scream for the governors to send in the national guard, and it would have the same power as if you or I did it. Except in our case it wouldn't be met with universal laughter and derision. He'd be just another old Ken (Karen's older brother) shouting at the wind.

[misanthrope]

18. There's always the possibility of Pelosi becoming POTUS amidst any chaos

The mechanisms for that aren't guaranteed, though.

[OAITW r.2.0]

8. Watch the effort to kneecap the Post Office's ability to handle mail-in votes.

Trump has the guy he wants to disrupt the mail-in vote.....

[renate]

13. But... the President isn't whoever's in the White House

Trump refuses to leave and Biden just does his presidenting from Camp David or wherever. I don’t understand why Trump’s continuing to squat in the White House would be a problem.

Not to imply that you think it would, just wondering why Jason would be worried.

[captain queeg]

14. Agreed. He can camp out in the White House, that doesn't make him president.

[misanthrope]

15. Oh, completely. I think Heilman was chiefly referencing

the period between election day and inauguration, where Trump might try to monkey wrench everything possible. I just don't see it working because too many serious in other seats of power have grown tired of his act.

[Grasswire2]

12. also don't forget that Rove is in the mix now, and he has stolen TWO presidential elections.. nt

[Mr. Ected]

19. I can't envision a scenario where Trump doesn't jam the system indefinitely to prolong his reign

Because he's not the president. He's a Russian asset and we've been witnessing a disinformation-based coup for 4 years running. The RNC is in on it, the GOP Congress is in on it. They've infiltrated state and local governments. You think they're letting go?

If only it was as simple as "the winner takes all". There can't be a winner when the means to determine the winner are ratfucked beyond recognition.

And let's face it. Every time we've flexed our muscles, they've won the battle. Every. Fucking. Time. Mueller investigation? Eff that. Impeachment? Eff that.

Election? What a quaint concept.

Sorry for my tone, but their ability to undermine justice and the constitution is undefeated. Sure, we whip them for months at a time. But they're always getting the last laugh. We shouldn't think that just because 65% of the people want him out, he's going away. It'll take more than an election to accomplish that.