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soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 11:46 AM Jul 2020

New @FEC filing: Trump Victory paid $400,000 to Trump Hotel in Q2 alone--steering over $3 MILLION in


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New @FEC filing: Trump Victory paid ~$400,000 to Trump Hotel in Q2 alone—steering over $3 MILLION in donations from presidential campaign donors to Trump family, properties & businesses with his 2020 re-election campaign & Trump MAGA joint fundraising cmte—$17.4M+ counting 2016
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New @FEC filing: Trump Victory paid $400,000 to Trump Hotel in Q2 alone--steering over $3 MILLION in (Original Post) soothsayer Jul 2020 OP
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Jul 2020 #1
Couldn't make up my mind whether to use grifter or grafter on trump. empedocles Jul 2020 #2
Which is this? Graft or grift? soothsayer Jul 2020 #3
Grafter. Paragraph 8 in my post. empedocles Jul 2020 #4
Hey, Parscale made bank aplenty. He qualifies for this Dishonor Role. calimary Jul 2020 #7
Although give Parscale his due not fooled Jul 2020 #23
Make sure any tRumpanzee knows their donations been funding luxury hotel rooms for operatives. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #5
Honestly Cosmocat Jul 2020 #9
Don't phrase it as money to tRump. Phrase it as luxury hotel room for operatives. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #12
to paraphrase: "What a tangled web they weave when they choose to deceive." yonder Jul 2020 #6
Oh what a tangled web we weave, Scarsdale Jul 2020 #20
... yonder Jul 2020 #21
This is DENVERPOPS Jul 2020 #8
Wonder if this is coming out of there tax forms? n/t aggiesal Jul 2020 #10
My theory has always been that Trump only ran as a money making scheme Rhiannon12866 Jul 2020 #11
His behavior shows he wants to lose - but boy the campaign is a moneymaker! lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #13
I fixed it. Dem2theMax Jul 2020 #14
Much better soothsayer Jul 2020 #16
If an ex-prez goes to prison, does his SS detail go too? nuxvomica Jul 2020 #15
Yet the magats don't seem to mind their campaign donations going into the pockets iluvtennis Jul 2020 #17
Surprise, Surprise, surprise! Of course he did. Fla Dem Jul 2020 #18
That emoluments clause will someday be dusted off when a democrat makes 50 cents from govt. spanone Jul 2020 #19
Surely you jest? Scarsdale Jul 2020 #22

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
2. Couldn't make up my mind whether to use grifter or grafter on trump.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 11:53 AM
Jul 2020

Sharing my research:

'Chart showing grifters (Donald Trump, Ivanka Trump, Kellyanne Conway, Roger Stone, and Steve Bannon) on one side and grafters (Jared Kushner, Donald Trump, Jr., Eric Trump, Michael Cohen, Scott Pruitt, and Steve Mnuchin) on the other.
Photo illustration by Slate. Photos by Spencer Platt/Getty Images, Sean Gallup/Getty Images, JUAN MABROMATA/AFP/Getty Images, Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images, Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images, HECTOR RETAMAL/AFP/Getty Images, Mark Wilson/Getty Images, Drew Angerer/Getty Images, Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images, and Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images.
On MSNBC, they’re calling Michael Cohen a grifter. It’s a term we’ve been hearing a lot lately. Vanity Fair recently described EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt as making a strong play for “Most Shameless White House Grifter.” The magazine used the same pejorative to describe former Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price, before he had to resign for hailing Gulfstream IVs like Ubers. Steve Mnuchin has been called a grifter; so has Jared Kushner. Timothy Egan of the New York Times has described the entire Trump administration as a “White House of Grifters.”

Too easy, Tim! The description is not inaccurate so much as it is imprecise, like calling Richard Nixon a “crook.” Nearly everyone who chooses to work for Donald Trump is disreputable in one way or another; Ali Baba didn’t find 40 wise men in the cave. But to label everyone in Trumpworld a grifter misses important subtleties. It conflates grifters and grafters, and it ignores the crucial distinction between the two.'

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/05/trumps-white-house-can-be-divided-into-grifters-and-grafters.html



Maria Konnikova did an excellent podcast series about grifters, many of whom she met working on her book The Confidence Game. For the grifter, ripping people off is seldom the point. The grifter is an artiste, who invests in the long con. He (or she) takes pleasure in gulling the trusting and eluding justice. The grifter has multiple partners, multiple stories, multiple identities. The grifter is theatrical, if not actually delusional. The grifter wants your applause, not just your pocket watch. The Duke and the Dauphin in Huckleberry Finn were grifters, charlatans par excellence. Charles Ponzi was a grifter. William Avery Rockefeller, the father of John D. Rockefeller, was a grifter.

The grafter, by contrast, is a run-of-the-mill abuser of the public trust. He needs no audience and prefers not having one. Where the grifter is shameless, the grafter shrinks from exposure, which could only endanger the racket. He is greedy, but not creatively ambitious. He toils in mundane self-dealing, insider trading, bribe taking, witness tampering, and other forms of workaday corruption. Spiro Agnew was a grafter. William Jefferson, the Louisiana congressman who kept cash in the freezer in his apartment, was a grafter. Illinois governors are inevitably grafters, as is any politician whose name is preceded by “Boss” (see: Louisiana).

Where the grifter is shameless, the grafter shrinks from exposure, which could only endanger the racket.
Got the distinction? Good. Now let’s play grifter or grafter. Donald Trump is an archetypal grifter. Using the presidency to promote your golf courses, hotels, and real estate business is grifting. So is getting people to pay a premium for buildings with your name in big, gold letters. Licensing your name is what every grifter dreams about. The Apprentice, a reality show about pretending to be a huge real estate mogul, was grifting squared. Trump University—getting paid to share your secrets about pretending to be a huge real estate mogul—was grifting to the third power. Trump-branded steaks, Trump wine, Trump bottled water—bottled water is grifting, by definition.

Jared Kushner, by contrast, is a rich-kid grafter, who lacks his father-in-law’s charisma and imagination. Trying to quietly use your power to convince Chinese or Qatari investors to bail out your disastrous investment in 666 Fifth Ave.—that’s grafting. Selling EB-5 visas to Chinese investors by touting your political connections—also grafting. Kushner’s machinations recall Tammany Hall boss George Washington Plunkitt’s notion of “honest graft,” when your private interests happen to align nicely with your public office. That’s Jared K. to a T.'

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
3. Which is this? Graft or grift?
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 12:22 PM
Jul 2020

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This might explain why Parscale was demoted but not fired.

If the Trump family was paid by the campaign, those payments would need to be disclosed. Instead, they’re paid through Parscale. https://nytimes.com/2020/03/09/us/trump-campaign-brad-parscale.html

calimary

(81,179 posts)
7. Hey, Parscale made bank aplenty. He qualifies for this Dishonor Role.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 12:53 PM
Jul 2020

Big-ass waterfront mansion, fancy car (Ferrari if I recall correctly), yacht, the works! He helped himself to the pig trough, big time. And for awhile, he successfully conned the conman.

They tend to find each other.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
23. Although give Parscale his due
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 05:57 PM
Jul 2020

he did successfully use targeted advertising on farcebook and other tech-y venues to help persuade the goobers to install red don in the White House. That's gotta be worth something, maybe the drive train of a Ferrari.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,984 posts)
12. Don't phrase it as money to tRump. Phrase it as luxury hotel room for operatives.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 01:41 PM
Jul 2020

They love donating to the billionaire who said he'd fund his campaign himself and wouldn't take donations.

But if you tell them that their $100 donation paid for 20% of a night of luxury for an "operative", then they'd not be so happy. They will pretend they are, but they'll think about the next time they think about making a $100 donation.

DENVERPOPS

(8,802 posts)
8. This is
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 12:54 PM
Jul 2020

pocket change, compared to the MOUNTAIN of money the Trump Clan has stockpiled in their bank accounts from their myriad of other schemes..............

It was bad enough, but they have turned the Covid Nightmare into an incredible Cash Cow Profit Center for themselves and a ton of other uber wealthy Republicans, Republican Politicians and his entire administration.

We ain't seen nothing yet compared of what is in store for the next 3-6 months. They are on a roll with no end in sight.......

If I were religious, I would say: God Help Us.......WASF

Katie Bar the Door!

I am really really really regretting not going to Canada on February 11th, 1968............

Putin, Trump and entire Republican party is hell bent on destroying Democracy and looting the country and obliterating all of us good people.....

Rhiannon12866

(205,035 posts)
11. My theory has always been that Trump only ran as a money making scheme
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 01:25 PM
Jul 2020

He never intended to win, let alone do the job.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. His behavior shows he wants to lose - but boy the campaign is a moneymaker!
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 01:43 PM
Jul 2020

And campaigning is fun, what with all those KKK rallies.

Dem2theMax

(9,650 posts)
14. I fixed it.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 01:56 PM
Jul 2020

New @FEC filing: Trump Victory paid ~$400,000 to Trump Hotel in Q2 alone—stealing over $3 MILLION in donations from presidential campaign donors to Trump family, properties & businesses with his 2020 re-election campaign & Trump MAGA joint fundraising cmte—$17.4M+ counting 2016 https://t.co/jS7rp4258K

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
22. Surely you jest?
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 02:49 PM
Jul 2020

This cabal will be taking any available cash with them as they leave. They are bankrupting the country. Imagine how much they took from the Billions set aside for the wall?

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