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soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 04:24 AM Jul 2020

This is extremely strange. Another oil spill in Russia. This is the 10th incident since May 30th


Olga Lautman
@olgaNYC1211
This is extremely strange. Another oil spill in Russia. This time in Bryansk. This is the 10th incident since May 30th


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This is extremely strange. Another oil spill in Russia. This is the 10th incident since May 30th (Original Post) soothsayer Jul 2020 OP
Nothing strange about it-- the Russians just aren't very good at protecting the... TreasonousBastard Jul 2020 #1
Yes, so bad that could be the whole thing. The easy opportunities Hortensis Jul 2020 #5
In Maddow's Blowout book, she said that the Russians aren't great at the technology for extracting OnDoutside Jul 2020 #7
Interesting, and telling, that they haven't set out to master that. Hortensis Jul 2020 #13
I couldn't recommend it highly enough. Yes, that stood out to me at the time i read it. OnDoutside Jul 2020 #20
Thanks I was wondering what else this might have Hortensis Jul 2020 #21
No problem at all. Link sent. OnDoutside Jul 2020 #23
+1 moondust Jul 2020 #10
When ever Russia or Putin say how bad something is BigmanPigman Jul 2020 #2
Right. Whistleblowers are risking themselves to share soothsayer Jul 2020 #3
Distressed countries cut corners Don EB Jul 2020 #15
The pipelines are built on permafrost. It's melting. Lochloosa Jul 2020 #4
That makes good sense. Not so perma after all. soothsayer Jul 2020 #6
Ahhh....good post ashredux Jul 2020 #8
And, they were probably very poorly-built in the first place. GoCubsGo Jul 2020 #12
:) I hadn't heard that one. As you say. Apparently Hortensis Jul 2020 #16
Just go to Google Images... GoCubsGo Jul 2020 #17
Just did. ! Of course, with their locust mentality, they expected Hortensis Jul 2020 #18
The Earth is rejecting Delarage Jul 2020 #29
***PROPPING OIL PRICES*** they can't shut down wells or pumps so they dump oil. They don't uponit7771 Jul 2020 #9
THIS BumRushDaShow Jul 2020 #22
+1, they might have caught wind of this Bloomberg story uponit7771 Jul 2020 #24
Yup and this part -- BumRushDaShow Jul 2020 #25
😲😲😲, that's has to be a mistake uponit7771 Jul 2020 #26
I think what they are saying (and seeing) BumRushDaShow Jul 2020 #27
I was thinking of other countries demand would be making of for oil, wti is going to be mud stomped uponit7771 Jul 2020 #28
Other oil-using countries/cities have been opening and closing in fits and starts BumRushDaShow Jul 2020 #31
Safety and environmental protection cost money, this is cutthroat capitalism, coming soon to USA bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #11
Yep. They just slap things up as fast as they can, just to get the money rolling in. GoCubsGo Jul 2020 #14
Permafrost melting due to record 100+ deg F temperatures in Siberia. Ground giving way. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #19
Just another reason for alternatives Delarage Jul 2020 #30

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. Nothing strange about it-- the Russians just aren't very good at protecting the...
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 04:29 AM
Jul 2020

environment.

Probably because they really don't give a shit about the environment.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Yes, so bad that could be the whole thing. The easy opportunities
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 07:05 AM
Jul 2020

provided would of course make them attractive to saboteurs should any be looking for some, though. I read something recently about an oil spill causing problems between two of Putin's most powerful oligarchs and worries about impacts to their investments.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
7. In Maddow's Blowout book, she said that the Russians aren't great at the technology for extracting
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 07:08 AM
Jul 2020

oil, so that's why they were desperate to do joint ventures with US Big Oil.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
20. I couldn't recommend it highly enough. Yes, that stood out to me at the time i read it.
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 08:09 AM
Jul 2020

Here's an excerpt or two from it

But all of that glorious news paled against the gleaming possibilities that presented themselves in Russia. No other spot on earth could equal the allure of Eurasia’s hydrocarbon honeypot. The actual quantity of oil and gas beneath Russian soil was a closely held state secret, but what was known tantalized oil and gas execs around the world. Russia already produced close to 15 percent of the world’s oil, and that was with the same rusty technologies employed by Soviet-era drillers. There were reliable reports that Russia held more natural gas underground than any other country on earth—as much as a quarter of the entire world supply. But it was hard to know for sure how much oil and gas might be sequestered deep in the tight shale formations of western Siberia, or how much might be just offshore, on the continental shelf—on the edge of the Black Sea to the south, or the Sea of Okhotsk to the east, or most intriguing of all, in the Kara Sea to the north, in the Arctic Ocean.


There were other factors at play, but some Americans apprehended this price hike as an OPEC plot, payback for
putting American boots on the ground in a sovereign state in the Middle East. The announcement that OPEC would cut production by nearly a million barrels a day—made just a few days before Putin’s arrival at the Kwik Farms doughnut counter—seemed to confirm the fear. American gas prices were certain to keep going up, at least as long as OPEC had us on such a short leash. Thank God for Russia. Thank God for the honeypot of known oil reserves in western Siberia, not to mention the vast untapped reserves off Russia’s Arctic shelf. Lukoil had five Arctic-ready, icebreaking oil tankers on order at that very moment—an investment of nearly $200 million. And Vladimir Putin had pronounced himself ready to provide America’s new not–Middle Eastern fuel supply, indefinitely, in exchange for a little help with the muchneeded modernization of the Russian oil sector


I can supply a link to an epub download if you like ? You can then convert it to a pdf.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. Thanks I was wondering what else this might have
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 08:17 AM
Jul 2020

brought to mind but didn't want to put that on you. And thanks for offering the link. Yes. I typically need to wait to get books used these days.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
2. When ever Russia or Putin say how bad something is
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 04:32 AM
Jul 2020

multiply it by 10 and that is closer to how bad it really is.

Don EB

(1 post)
15. Distressed countries cut corners
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 07:37 AM
Jul 2020

Russian accidents may have a simple and frightening explanation. The russians are in trouble financially, and are cutting corners in operations and maintenance. In a critical industry, given the possibility of dangerous fallout from accidents in several of their industries, this is disturbing.

Lochloosa

(16,063 posts)
4. The pipelines are built on permafrost. It's melting.
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 07:03 AM
Jul 2020

The support structures are sinking and causing the pipes to crack.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
6. That makes good sense. Not so perma after all.
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 07:07 AM
Jul 2020

I was wondering whether anyone would leak their own oil to prop up the prices.

But this does remind me of when you see a spate of water main breaks when it’s been quite hot and dry.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
12. And, they were probably very poorly-built in the first place.
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 07:27 AM
Jul 2020

The Trailer Park With Nukes isn't exactly known for its quality construction.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. :) I hadn't heard that one. As you say. Apparently
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 07:38 AM
Jul 2020

there are a lot of causes for what's going on. The mismanagers are blaming permafrost thawing, and we know that's happening a lot faster than expected, but it's hurrying up inevitable failures from what I've read are widespread bad design, cheap construction, and lack of critical maintenance. Trashy trailer parks instead of nice ones.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
17. Just go to Google Images...
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 07:54 AM
Jul 2020

Type in "Russian construction fails." You'll see what they've been putting up with since the old Soviet Union days. I have no doubt they slapped up that pipeline in the same manner. That's our future, if we don't get rid of Putin's Puppet. We're already on our way there as it is.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Just did. ! Of course, with their locust mentality, they expected
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 08:08 AM
Jul 2020

to be selling off most of Russia's petroleum for other nations to develop long before this, and just move to new fields as old ones dwindled.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
9. ***PROPPING OIL PRICES*** they can't shut down wells or pumps so they dump oil. They don't
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 07:15 AM
Jul 2020

... give a damn about the ecology and they're a nation that's a gas station only.

BumRushDaShow

(128,906 posts)
22. THIS
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 08:25 AM
Jul 2020

The other big oil producers over the years have done similar - Saudi and/or Iranian oil tankers suddenly aflame, Nigerian pipelines sabotaged and/or leaking blamed on "rebels".

Russia and Saudi were pumping out oil this past spring at breakneck speed (partially to kill the American oil producers), which collapsed the oil prices, where WTI prices fell into the negatives per bbl -



and that surplus is still out there in the midst of a pandemic, where there is an extreme drop in oil/gasoline/kerosene usage. And they even announced plans to start that back up again (apparently as a lagging response to reopenings, despite those that did reopen to soon, starting to close back down again) -

OPEC and Russia May Ease Oil Production Cuts

By Stanley Reed

July 12, 2020


Saudi Arabia, the world’s largest oil exporter, and other major oil-producing countries are likely to increase their output in August, as coronavirus lockdowns ease and demand begins to rise again.

The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, Russia and other producers are expected to modestly ease the record production cuts that they agreed to in April and later extended through July. A committee of key officials from the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries and Russia will meet on Wednesday by video conference to discuss their approach to the market.

The oil-producing countries want to make sure that they maintain or increase their share of the recovering market.

But analysts say that the actions by OPEC and its allies could be outweighed by the impact of the pandemic on demand. The International Energy Agency said oil demand fell by more than 16 million barrels a day in the second quarter compared with the same period in 2019. The Paris-based group is forecasting a strong recovery but said the spread of the virus in countries like the United States and Brazil and elsewhere “is casting a shadow” over the outlook by raising the prospect of further lockdowns that could discourage driving and other activity.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/12/business/economy/opec-russia-oil-production-coronavirus.html

BumRushDaShow

(128,906 posts)
25. Yup and this part --
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 08:34 AM
Jul 2020
/snip

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. said it also sees the oil consumption recovery slowing, mainly due to the virus surging in the U.S. The daily rate of demand gains has dropped from 125,000 barrels a day in the first half of June to just 50,000 over the past three weeks, it said in a note.

/snip

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-16/oil-retreats-as-signs-of-slowing-recovery-cloud-demand-outlook


...should be concerning (to them).

BumRushDaShow

(128,906 posts)
27. I think what they are saying (and seeing)
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 08:53 AM
Jul 2020

is that in May, when many (idiotic) states started reopening full bore, the rate of oil demand suddenly shot up through Memorial Day and June. But notably, after July 4th, the coronavirus surges expectantly had started up in the most populous states (California, Texas, Florida - those 3 alone representing 90 million people) and that essentially shut the demand off.

BumRushDaShow

(128,906 posts)
31. Other oil-using countries/cities have been opening and closing in fits and starts
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 10:04 AM
Jul 2020

as outbreaks keep popping up. For example -

India (this has the potential for catastrophe)
Brazil (2nd only to the U.S.)
Japan
Australia
Hong Kong (on their 3rd spike)

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
14. Yep. They just slap things up as fast as they can, just to get the money rolling in.
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 07:30 AM
Jul 2020

Kind of like Trump's rush for a coronavirus vaccine.

Delarage

(2,186 posts)
30. Just another reason for alternatives
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 09:04 AM
Jul 2020

If we had just listened to President Carter, the US would lead the world in alternative energy and would not have to associate with the Putins and MBSs and other murderous thugs of the world. Instead of investing all of their stolen money in Trump's properties and blackmail, perhaps they should step up their game as far as safer materials handling or, even better, alternative energy.

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