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Steve Schmidt
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Portland Oregon. The Governor of Oregon should deploy the State Police and the National Guard to arrest on site any heavily armed Paramilitary forces who are operating without IDs, Badges and snatching Americans off of the street and stuffing them into unmarked vehicles. 1
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We live in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. We are watching a Secret Police forming before our eyes and it is both an abomination and unacceptable. What agencies are these men with? What is their chain of command? What is their jurisdiction? Barr is Attorney General, not the (2)
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Interior Minister of some thugocracy. Respectfully, where is the ACLU? Where is the outrage of the Democratic House Members that control the purse strings of whatever agency these men belong to? Where is the oversight? Why isnt this issue being reported out on the front page
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of national news organizations including one that has attached itself to the phrase Democracy dies in Darkness? BTW, it certainly does when Federal snatch and grabs by little green men draw not so much a whimper of outrage. Why isnt this footage in the A block of every
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Newscast in America? What is happening here? The fact that Federal Law Enforcement Officers are clad head to toe in camouflaged Military tactical uniforms is outrageous. This is utterly unacceptable in this country. We must not stand for this. We are witnessing an assault on
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Liberty, freedom and our Comstirutionally protected rights. Enough already. Call your member of Congress and demand answers. Who are these men?
hlthe2b
(102,263 posts)Captain Zero
(6,805 posts)Probably a Habeus Corpus case or two coming out of this.
tinrobot
(10,899 posts)It needs to stop NOW.
soldierant
(6,857 posts)And I've seen it compared to the Easter troubles in Ireland. De Valera said then, "every one snatched meand ten new supporters." In Portland, that may well be true.
No, I am not suggesting we can depend on that. We need to fight this in any way we possibly can.
JDC
(10,127 posts)lame54
(35,290 posts)paleotn
(17,912 posts)changing their underoos. Those unarmed, peaceful protesters scared the ammosexuals something awful. Poor things. They're in no shape to confront....gasp!....actual people with guns.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)This what they want.
I have a warning for them. Be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.
Maven
(10,533 posts)wnylib
(21,449 posts)it is a deliberate attempt to start one. Would give Benedict Donald his excuse for suspending habeas corpus (Lincoln did it), and declaring a national emergency and martial law. If he wins that move unapposed, he can establish himself as permanent dictator and his spawn as his heirs.
Who would oppose him and how? Where would our military stand? Would it become regular military against hired mercenaries like Eric Prince, plus RW hate militias? Who would fund each side? How would individuals and groups protect themselves and each other?
War is a terrible thing and civil war the most terrible. So how do we nip this now before it goes further?
"All it takes for evil to exist is for good men (and women) to do nothing." Edmund Burke, Irish Statesman.
Mr.Bill
(24,286 posts)privately owned guns in America, along with as much as several billion rounds of ammunition. And don't think for one minute they are all owned by Trump supporters.
wnylib
(21,449 posts)though I deeply hope that it doesn't.
I do know that RWers are well armed with stockpiled ammunition for their arms. Several RW extremists also have bunkers to hole up in. And they keep track of "liberals" in their communities. But, although several are trained former military, I think they lack central organization and strategic planning.
At any rate, nipping this secret police operation now, before it can grow and spread is essential.
Latest news I've heard on it is that the Oregon AG is suing several federal agencies to get them out of the state. Needs to be followed by prosecution for violation of basic civil rights of those who have been kidnapped by the federal thugs.
maxsolomon
(33,339 posts)...unless they're arresting milkshake-tossing, black clad Antifa "Terrorists". Then, NBD.
Right, 2nd Amendment Absolutists?
summer_in_TX
(2,738 posts)I've heard of Border and Customs Patrol, ICE, and the U.S. Marshalls so far.
So Posse Comitatus doesn't apply. Evil. Diabolically evil.
druidity33
(6,446 posts)My understanding is no one is REALLY SURE who these forces are. Also, CBP, ICE and the US MArshalls are all Federal aren't they? Why wouldn't Posse apply? It's not The Army but they are part of our Armed Forces (obs not 5 branch part, nevertheless)...
summer_in_TX
(2,738 posts)He said the federal buildings were being "protected by Federal Protective Services, who are being supported by both CBP and ICE officers." Those are federal law enforcement but aren't military (army, air force, navy, or marines plus their special units such as Seals and Rangers). Different training for domestic law enforcement for one thing so fall under different laws.
druidity33
(6,446 posts)so i would say, "Prove it Ken!". I doubt there is enough Fed Protective Svcs personnel to cover all the poorly run "Democrat cities" and free them of "terrorist anti-fa".
We'll see.........
summer_in_TX
(2,738 posts)This scenario leading up to the 2020 elections fills me with great unease.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)BarbD
(1,192 posts)TeamPooka
(24,225 posts)not_the_one
(2,227 posts)And they are only just getting started.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)Hekate
(90,681 posts)onetexan
(13,041 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)Any Trump connections to the Kaiser?
Efilroft Sul
(3,579 posts)MrModerate
(9,753 posts)When Trump declares martial law and begins rounding up 'dissidents' who didn't vote for him.
standingtall
(2,785 posts)That's why he is so opposed to mail in voting. Easier to arrest the opposition on the streets than it is in their homes.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)So you could disappear ALL of them.
Evolve Dammit
(16,726 posts)niyad
(113,302 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 19, 2020, 04:40 PM - Edit history (1)
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)He would not speak to Portland press yesterday when he was in town, but did give an interview to
SEAN HANNITY
last night.
niyad
(113,302 posts)Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)justified it as protesters were damaging federal buildings so fed intervention was appropriate. But they were picking up innocent bystanders not involved in that. Also that POrtland law enforcement wasn't doing their job so they were protecting citizens from terrorism.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)And all the FOX viewers shout AMEN!!
Some in my family in Portland area are thrilled with the jackboots. My cousin, a retired Honolulu PD, wants to start up a militia to help out. He weighs about 300 pounds and is 75 years old.
Evolve Dammit
(16,726 posts)Ford_Prefect
(7,896 posts)That makes them outside the law and subject to arrest by state authorities. There is no declared emergency that would allow or invite federal intervention. There is no declared condition of insurrection or existential terrorist threat.
Arrest them. Jail them. Hold them until someone can vouch for controlling their actions and then arrest those people too.
If that won't do it I'll invest in some baseball bats and donate them to a worthy cause. My father went to Europe with his friends and neighbors to eliminate this kind of scum. I'm not asking to scrape them off the planet but I will not be polite if I meet them. Nor will I be reserved in prosecuting those who sent them.
niyad
(113,302 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)The assholes are attempting to dry run an authoritarian state.
No one saw this coming.
You might want to fight this.
Been going on a while now.
Oh well, we will see if anyone lifts a finger to prevent this.
BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)doofuses with a mixed bag of equipment and insignias on their shoulders from federal prisons. Don't think they were kidnapping anyone yet, though.
lastlib
(23,226 posts)...to test the resistance. Since there was none, they've moved to Step #2.....
KPN
(15,645 posts)Are we not? Where is all the right-wing obsession regarding a tyrannical government?
dawnie51
(959 posts)I will be amazed if these guys turn out to be legit.
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)Trump is wasting our taxpayer dollars!
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)if not, epic failure from the governor. All I saw is some random tweet from him with no implied action. The governor is allowing domestic terrorism on its soil?
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)She spoke with DHS Tuesday and told them to go home, or not show up in the first place.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)obviously her words had no impact on trump as expected. But it appears that she failed to even mention the enforcement steps she would take.
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)Your point?
DHS came anyway. The mayor told them to go home. This is federal overreach. I doubt she wants to escalate the situation - figure you'd have 2 sets of armed troops, Americans, facing off with guns, armor, and weaponry. Hard to imagine shots wouldn't be fired. And it sort of plays right in to Trump's wheelhouse - that there is this lawlessness amongst Democrats that only he can fix. I think she made a wise decision not to go down that road. Defusing conflict may not make us feel good in the moment, but it does prevent violence. And they've got all the evidence of the goons on video. So legal fallout has the goods.
love_katz
(2,579 posts)...or send them home. Oregon did not ask the feds for help, and out local government officials have made it abundantly clear that they are not welcome and are seen to be escalating the protests by their actions. The mayor has stated that they hoped to be out of the woods with the protests by this weekend, but due to the actions of the federal troops, that now the protests will reinvigorate and the potential for violence will increase. I am so angry at Agolf Twitler and all his goons that I could bite off ten penny nails. I think Twitler is trying to start a war, to bolster his falling poll numbers. But he is starting it on American soil and against American citizens.
LeftInTX
(25,316 posts)That doesn't make it right or legal
Oregon filed a lawsuit. I sure wish I would hear about an injunction.
This whole thing stinks beyond belief.
They need to stay on federal property.
If they think a protestor damaged their property and took off, then they can call local law enforcement.
wnylib
(21,449 posts)picked up this story and has been including it in their hourly newscast all day. I expect they will do some more in-depth coverage of it if one of their regular NPR programs, like On Point, covers it. They don't do their own in depth programs on national or distant events, but carry them when someone else does, like an NPR station in the location where something occurs.
I haven't been listening to Amy Goodman's Democracy Now program lately. Wonder if she is covering this. It's the type of story she would jump on.
cayugafalls
(5,640 posts)There is real concern here that democracy may well be off the table if we don't get a cap on this.
Where are our democratic leaders? Why is no one speaking out about this? Why is the this not plastered all over the media?
This is bad.
UTUSN
(70,691 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Arrest them all.
Cha
(297,206 posts)Trueblue Texan
(2,429 posts)They were screaming about rights being violated...how much more blatant can the violation of rights get than armed feds with no ID snatching protesters off the streets with no jurisdiction? Where are they now?
Ahpook
(2,750 posts)This right here is what is pissing me off as well. Of course Trump is going to pull stuff like this, but the rest of the country has no answer AGAIN.
I am sick and tired of being rolled by these fascist pigs and hardly a whimper from anyone.
I mean what the fuck?
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)Because you know their stuff barely gets carried by the networks or cable news nets.
Just because you don't hear it doesn't mean the right thing aren't being said. This happens time after time and people just expect it to be spoon-fed to them.
NBachers
(17,108 posts)flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)who has dominated politics for 30 years merely because the republicans bought up 600 radio stations to put him on.
he says call congress? i guess. how does calling your member compare with blasting the state with coordinated bullshit? but even if he's an ignorant city dweller who doesn't know talk radio he knows a lot more than most dems about how important talk radio has been to this disaster
guys like schmidt are afraid to mention he who should not be named as 1500 radio stations turn the mostly peaceful protests into mobs of "maggot infested marxist communists" attacking white businesses
smidt and the never trumpers need to get to the point and call out the guy most responsible for this disaster
burrowowl
(17,641 posts)ron dawson
(19 posts)What's next, the return of Hitler's Einzatsgruppen?
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)Einsatzgruppen[a] (German: [ˈʔaɪnzatsˌɡʁʊpn̩], lit. "deployment groups";[1] also "task forces" [2] were Schutzstaffel (SS) paramilitary death squads of Nazi Germany that were responsible for mass killings, primarily by shooting, during World War II (193945) in German-occupied Europe. The Einsatzgruppen were involved in the murder of much of the intelligentsia, including members of the priesthood[3] and cultural elite of Poland, and had an integral role in the implementation of the so-called "Final Solution to the Jewish Question" (Die Endlösung der Judenfrage) in territories conquered by Nazi Germany. Almost all of the people they killed were civilians, beginning with the intelligentsia and swiftly progressing to Soviet political commissars, Jews, and Romani people as well as actual or alleged partisans throughout Eastern Europe.
mcambush
(6 posts)To hear a little outrage from house members and see something on MSNBC or CNN. I didn't see anything on Velshi, Joy R, Smirkonish.... Thankfully we can rely on never Trump R's to guide / provide justifiable rage!
News hasn't even mentioned Russian bounty story in weeks!
sandensea
(21,634 posts)Elliott Abrams and these same neo-cons were major cheerleaders for the practice at the time.
It was only a matter of time before they began trial runs here.