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Know your rights while protesting - ACLU (Original Post) Nevilledog Jul 2020 OP
This warning on videotaping is troubling; can someone at the ACLU clarify please? Liberty Belle Jul 2020 #1
I believe it's talking about surreptitiously recording someone. Nevilledog Jul 2020 #2
Another question: Is it illegal for protesters to block journalists from taking photos? Liberty Belle Jul 2020 #3
Have you tried counting the ACLU? Nevilledog Jul 2020 #4

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
1. This warning on videotaping is troubling; can someone at the ACLU clarify please?
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 10:25 PM
Jul 2020

"If you are videotaping, be aware that there is an important legal distinction between a visual photographic record (fully protected) and the audio portion of a videotape, which some states have tried to regulate under state wiretapping laws."

Which states? I always thought photographing people in a public place, as well as videotaping them, was perfectly legal. I recall a case where someone recorded people at the next table at a restaurant, which seemed intrusive to me, but even that was found to be legal because there was reasonable expectation that people nearby could hear the conversation.

Has any court held that videotaping at a public protest was illegal or unconstitutional?

Anybody know the law on this in California?

Journalists and citizens who like to record or live stream need to know the rules where they live. I hope the ACLU can publish a list of which states this is settled law in, either way.

Nevilledog

(51,102 posts)
2. I believe it's talking about surreptitiously recording someone.
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 10:36 PM
Jul 2020

Different States have different laws. In AZ so long as one of the people recording (as in yourself) is aware of the recording, you don't have to tell the other person/persons. Some states require all parties being trapped to be aware. Probably best just to yell that you're shooting a video with audio.

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
3. Another question: Is it illegal for protesters to block journalists from taking photos?
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 10:38 PM
Jul 2020

At two separate protest marches or rallies, two different journalists for a media outlet I'm with reported that they were harassed, chased, blocked from taking photos of protesters or interviewing people; they even had protesters take photos of their press passes and one female reporter was pursued down an ally, very scary. Those were BLM protesters and one appeared to be an organizer, with a bullhorn.

One would think that when protesting in a public place, you would WANT publicity from media especially if the media outlet is fair, neutral, or favorable to your cause, as were the cases here. One photographer was surrounded and taunted including by some people up close and not wearing masks.

After covering another rally, yet a third journalist of ours was chased down and blocked in on a cul-de-sac by white supremacist counter-protesters, which was even scarier. He feared he was about to be attacked physically and called me. I advised him to turn on the radio full blast to get residents nearby to come outside and put his emergency flashers on as it was after dark. Fortunately the supremacist thugs left and he was able to escape but we have not assigned him again since they now know his car and license plate. This is getting both creepy and scary!

A local TV station tells me that one camera crew was similarly harassed by protesters recently and the same thing happened to a crew in the Bay area near San Francisco. We're in Southern CA. I'm told that some media outlets are now hiring body guards for their journalists, which our nonprofit community outlet can't afford. Others are backing off covering protests at all to protect the safety of reporters.

Reporters for the same outlet suffered abuse by police, too, at different rallies. One was hit repeatedly by pepper balls in what appeared to be intentional targeting of media (he wore a yellow caution vest, had a press pass around his neck and had a long-lens camera, and was near a group of other photographers all with TV cameras; he had even identified himself to police at the scene as media.). Protesters helped our photographer clean out his eyes which were burning; he couldn't even breathe.

Two other photojournalists were tear-gassed peripherally though not targeted specifically the same night while covering riots and looting after a protest in La Mesa, CA.

I've learned that milk neutralizes pepper spray in the eyes (water reportedly makes it worse) while tear gas is best rinsed with water.

Anyone attending or covering a protest may want to consider carrying these items in a backpack, just in case.

We are also considering getting a hidden camera like the one Greg Palast wears in his fedora hat, solely for use at protests, to protect our reporters from being abused or blocked from doing their jobs at times when blending in instead of standing out might be safer.

Nevilledog

(51,102 posts)
4. Have you tried counting the ACLU?
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 11:57 PM
Jul 2020

Stuff you want answers for its outside my criminal defense experience. They're good questions though.

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