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Music Man

(1,184 posts)
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 12:55 PM Jul 2020

I'll be damned: New Alaska poll shows Biden down only 1 point.

Trump - 48.8
Biden - 47.6
Undecided - 3.6

https://www.facebook.com/alaskasurvey/posts/1681737535312206

This is a poll of likely voters by Alaska Survey Research. It also comes on the heels of a poll an Alaska poll last week showing Biden down by 3.

If we can win Alaska, we're talking 1964 LBJ landslide territory.

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I'll be damned: New Alaska poll shows Biden down only 1 point. (Original Post) Music Man Jul 2020 OP
If it were not for the Jerry Prevo cultists Drahthaardogs Jul 2020 #1
They are getting killed in tourism kimbutgar Jul 2020 #2
I keep saying that what may help Biden is that life just sucks for people JI7 Jul 2020 #10
1932 is the example we should be looking at JCMach1 Jul 2020 #3
And hoping that means Dems will win five presidential terms in a row Wednesdays Jul 2020 #9
Alaska polling should never be taken seriously Awsi Dooger Jul 2020 #4
Even with polling bias taken into account BGBD Jul 2020 #5
That's really interesting. I appreciate it. Music Man Jul 2020 #6
Steady On Joe Biden! Cha Jul 2020 #7
Alaska wants to be given back to Russia. not_the_one Jul 2020 #8

kimbutgar

(21,144 posts)
2. They are getting killed in tourism
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 01:32 PM
Jul 2020

Those cruise ships bring a lot of revenue to Alaska and with the cruise industry basically DOA because of the corona virus there will be a lot of financial suffering. The Democratic Party should highlight that the presidents mishandling is the reason they are suffering now. And also point out this administration says it’s ok to kill bears while they’re hibernating. They love their bears in Alaska.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
10. I keep saying that what may help Biden is that life just sucks for people
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 12:24 AM
Jul 2020

think of the conservative assholes that hate black lives matter, complain about illegals , feminists etc. These dumbasses do look forward to thinks like sports and over time when they wont get it they might just say "fuck it" and vote for something different so they can get it back . None of this means they will no longer be bigots. But it's the "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago" question .

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
4. Alaska polling should never be taken seriously
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 02:44 PM
Jul 2020

Worst polled state in the nation, always overstating the Democrat to absurd degree. I've emphasized it here since 2002. Nate Silver finally caught on with a lengthy article in 2014. Somehow he wrote nobody every seems to mention the misses always go in the same direction. Okay, Nate.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/senate-update-alaska-a-frontier-for-bad-polling/

"As other commentators have noted, Alaska is a hard state to poll accurately. What we haven’t seen remarked upon is how those misses have come in one direction, almost always overestimating the performance of Democrats.

"In every single race, the polls have shown a Democratic bias. In 2008, for instance, Begich was favored by almost 10 percentage points in the polls against the Republican incumbent Ted Stevens, but won by barely more than a percentage point. Also that year, the polls favored the Democrat Ethan Berkowitz to win the state’s at-large House district from the Republican incumbent Don Young, but Young prevailed instead. In 2004, the polls had the Democrat Tony Knowles, the state’s former governor, tied in his race against Murkowski, but Murkowski won by three points. In 2010, the Republican gubernatorial candidate Sean Parnell by a margin much larger than the polls anticipated. On average since 1998, polls of Alaska have had a 7-point bias toward Democrats."

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That 7 point bias held up in 2016 also.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/alaska/

Nate gave Hillary a 23.5% chance to carry Alaska. It should have been more like .235% chance. His model had Trump leading by 7.4 points. Trump carried the state by 14.7 points.

IMO, one of the reasons the polling misses so badly is that Alaska has higher percentage males than any state in the country. It is the only state that consistently has more males in the electorate. No doubt those conservative males in Alaska either aren't found by pollsters or aren't honest with them or are underrepresented in the model.

It really should be impossible for polling to be so consistently inept in the same direction. But I don't mind taking advantage as a gambler. Alaska wagering has been cupcakes.

BTW, Nate with the 1998 reference did not go back far enough. I discovered the Alaska polling bias when I began wagering on politics in 1992. The lousy polling was blatant as far back as the '80s.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
5. Even with polling bias taken into account
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 03:35 PM
Jul 2020

that will shows a 4 or 5 point shift to Democrats there. Not enough to win the state, in all likelihood, but bodes well of the election overall since there are a lot more states that you can flip with that kind of movement.

Honestly, I don't care who wins Alaska because it will be irrelevant to the election. There's no scenario where Alaska is the tipping point state. If Biden won it, he'd have won by so much that the election would have been called early in the night. I do want to see if the loss in the margin of non-college educated whites for Trump is showing up there too.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
8. Alaska wants to be given back to Russia.
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 11:28 PM
Jul 2020

Putin is probably already working on it.

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