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sunonmars

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This from the man that doesn't even know right side up of a bible tulipsandroses Jul 2020 #1
Two Corinthians walk into a bar... leftieNanner Jul 2020 #4
LOL! MLAA Jul 2020 #19
Excellent! nt leftieNanner Jul 2020 #26
Same guy who fished some bills out of his pocket to throw into the communion plate Tanuki Jul 2020 #12
He is flailing badly SoonerPride Jul 2020 #2
That would make me vote for Biden edhopper Jul 2020 #3
Yeah, like holding a bible upside down . . Iliyah Jul 2020 #5
By November I wouldn't be surprised durablend Jul 2020 #6
That's their tried-and-true dog whistle to the religious right to whip the votes chia Jul 2020 #7
"Imagine no religion. It's easy if you try." Walleye Jul 2020 #8
Then reality sets in, that most people live in chronic fear and need to be followers of something. TheBlackAdder Jul 2020 #10
So true. "You might say I'm a dreamer. " the rest of the song Walleye Jul 2020 #14
I took a college course on Fundamentals, Evangelicals, Pentecostals & Charismatics few years back. TheBlackAdder Jul 2020 #21
Atheists don't stand a chance against this assault on reason Walleye Jul 2020 #22
Would you even want to live after death? Shermann Jul 2020 #23
Same here. Don't want to live after death. Walleye Jul 2020 #29
More righties are onto his shit. The more he barks stuff, the more they become sick of his shit! TheBlackAdder Jul 2020 #9
Not only will this erode the swing vote. It might cost him lindysalsagal Jul 2020 #11
Organized religion should be dead LakeArenal Jul 2020 #13
If Jesus were here he would kick him marlakay Jul 2020 #15
the "religion" Donnie is vomiting about... agingdem Jul 2020 #16
Trump has reached the point where he will say or do anything, no matter how unhinged, to further sop Jul 2020 #17
+1 Mosby Jul 2020 #18
He's going to say the n-word count on it nt maryellen99 Jul 2020 #25
He's so desperate now , he'll say and do anything to turn around his failing campaign now. duforsure Jul 2020 #20
trying to scare the rubes. Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #24
I hope news outlets publish a running record of the most outrageous lies. KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2020 #27
GO JOE! GO JOE! SUNGLASSES & STAMINA ! Baked Potato Jul 2020 #28
Please, God! Make it so! intheflow Jul 2020 #30
an entire debate focused on religious issues would be something to see.......... Takket Jul 2020 #31

tulipsandroses

(8,246 posts)
1. This from the man that doesn't even know right side up of a bible
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 10:57 AM
Jul 2020

I'm not religious so I have no skin in the game as far as religion goes but what a crock of shit. Joe Biden speaks of leaning on his catholic faith. Donald Trump cannot even manage to hold a bible correctly, he cannot even cite a single bible verse. People are supposed to be believe him on this matter because? The desperation

leftieNanner

(16,159 posts)
4. Two Corinthians walk into a bar...
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 10:58 AM
Jul 2020

This is beyond nuts.

MLAA

(19,738 posts)
19. LOL!
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:18 AM
Jul 2020

Two Corinthians and two porn stars walk into a bar...

leftieNanner

(16,159 posts)
26. Excellent! nt
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 12:29 PM
Jul 2020

Tanuki

(16,438 posts)
12. Same guy who fished some bills out of his pocket to throw into the communion plate
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:08 AM
Jul 2020

on one of his rare church service attendances (during the campaign, of course). Also the same guy who dismissively characterized Holy Communion as "drinking my little wine and eating my little cracker "


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/02/01/donald-trump-accidentally-put-money-in-the-communion-plate-at-a-church-in-iowa/%3foutputType=amp

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
2. He is flailing badly
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 10:58 AM
Jul 2020

Biden is the Antichrist

Biden is antifa

Biden will enslave the whites!

He will say any crazy shit that pops into his head.

He knows he is losing and is terrified.

edhopper

(37,329 posts)
3. That would make me vote for Biden
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 10:58 AM
Jul 2020

all the more.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
5. Yeah, like holding a bible upside down . .
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:01 AM
Jul 2020

durablend

(9,243 posts)
6. By November I wouldn't be surprised
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:03 AM
Jul 2020

If he's claiming "If Biden wins, hit squads will be at your door ready to murder you"

chia

(2,807 posts)
7. That's their tried-and-true dog whistle to the religious right to whip the votes
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:03 AM
Jul 2020

Walleye

(44,685 posts)
8. "Imagine no religion. It's easy if you try."
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:04 AM
Jul 2020

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
10. Then reality sets in, that most people live in chronic fear and need to be followers of something.
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:07 AM
Jul 2020

Walleye

(44,685 posts)
14. So true. "You might say I'm a dreamer. " the rest of the song
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:09 AM
Jul 2020

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
21. I took a college course on Fundamentals, Evangelicals, Pentecostals & Charismatics few years back.
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:31 AM
Jul 2020

.

You would not believe how strangely wired their thought processes are above traditional religions.

Unfortunately, there have been a few dramatic developments in religion that will screw us all.


1) There was a cult group that pushed that there is Biblical Inerrancy, meaning that the Bible is correct. This finally became accepted in the late 70's with the Chicago Statement of Biblical Inerrancy. Many of the educated clergy and researchers were told to either accept this position, and ignore the over 300 errors in the Bible or quit or be forced out of their positions. Most left the church and their positions were filled by hacks who invented excuses to justify the Bible is without error, even fabricating backstories. Traditional Christian churches began adopting this position too. This causes people to not to question their religion, and this translates into them not questioning their political leaders they align with--they become sheep who fall in line with power.

2) The adoption of Two-Stage Baptisms, where the Holy Spirit enters a person, mainly demonstrated by Glossolalia (speaking in tongue). Charismatics believe that this is just a temporary visitation to convey a message to the person or church body. Pentecostals believe that once the Holy Spirit chooses you, it remains within you and everything you do is effectively sanctioned by God. As such, there is a big push for parishioners to speak in tongue so they can be accepted--because if the HS doesn't enter you, there must be a reason you are not worthy. This bullshit started in the early 1900s. This is why pious people think they can do whatever or that they will sit by the right side of Jesus when they die.

3) Since traditional religions place God on the outside, there is the attraction for people to feel more connected to God. Many of these traditional churches are now adopting the Pentecostal position that the HS enters a person to attract congregants. There is some resistance with older church members so you will see that many churches are holding two sets of services, a traditional one and a New/Contemporary service that pushes this bullshit.

See, the main problem is that there are a bunch of charlatans starting their own churches as a way to gain respect, have control over others, get free labor, and obtain a source of income. This, along with younger people drifting away from religion, is causing cash constraints on traditional mainly Christian churches--so they are doing everything they can to attract people to build their membership and tithings. Take notice, when you drive by churches, that they are offering multiple services and/or or allowing other churches to use their space.

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Walleye

(44,685 posts)
22. Atheists don't stand a chance against this assault on reason
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:43 AM
Jul 2020

Once you’ve convinced someone that there is life after death, you can make them believe anything. The original Big Lie. As a journalist, I attended services of most of the different religions. It seems that almost all have two things in common: They are all sure that god is a guy, and they all pass the plate. God needs more of your money.

Shermann

(9,057 posts)
23. Would you even want to live after death?
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:56 AM
Jul 2020

Of the billions of those who have lived, not one has demonstrably effected change on Earth during their afterlife.

So mostly you get to float around doing inconsequential ethereal stuff, either here or in Heaven or in Hell. Forever.

That sounds tedious, I don't see the attraction.

Walleye

(44,685 posts)
29. Same here. Don't want to live after death.
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 02:07 PM
Jul 2020

Plus it negates our uniqueness as human beings. We might be the only animals who are aware of our own mortality. It gives us the incentive and drive to improve and excel. That’s always been my philosophy anyway.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
9. More righties are onto his shit. The more he barks stuff, the more they become sick of his shit!
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:06 AM
Jul 2020

lindysalsagal

(22,902 posts)
11. Not only will this erode the swing vote. It might cost him
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:08 AM
Jul 2020

Some of his base.

LakeArenal

(29,949 posts)
13. Organized religion should be dead
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:09 AM
Jul 2020

marlakay

(13,262 posts)
15. If Jesus were here he would kick him
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:09 AM
Jul 2020

Out of the temple.

agingdem

(8,834 posts)
16. the "religion" Donnie is vomiting about...
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:14 AM
Jul 2020

"Trumpism" propagated by his "disciples" Mitch, Susan, Marco, Ted, Matt, Doug et.al

sop

(18,511 posts)
17. Trump has reached the point where he will say or do anything, no matter how unhinged, to further
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:14 AM
Jul 2020

divide Americans. If he could foment another civil war in this country, he would gladly do so.

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
18. +1
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:15 AM
Jul 2020

maryellen99

(3,798 posts)
25. He's going to say the n-word count on it nt
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 12:24 PM
Jul 2020

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
20. He's so desperate now , he'll say and do anything to turn around his failing campaign now.
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:23 AM
Jul 2020

He's also trying to control the news cycle, and its not working for him anymore. No one believe's his lies anymore.

Crunchy Frog

(28,261 posts)
24. trying to scare the rubes.
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 12:15 PM
Jul 2020

He will say anything at all to try to get votes.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,780 posts)
27. I hope news outlets publish a running record of the most outrageous lies.
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 12:55 PM
Jul 2020

I think perhaps yesterday it was "a Biden presidency would eliminate all single-family home ownerships"......

During 2015/2016, the Guardian UK kept a special page during the campaign just for tracking his lies and then published a summary once a week that was great. I would like to see some of our MSM sources do that for this election.

For periodic tracking of the lies of Trump and other wingnuts, see:

Politifact:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?speaker=donald-trump&ruling=false

Right Wing Watch:
https://www.rightwingwatch.org/

KY

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
28. GO JOE! GO JOE! SUNGLASSES & STAMINA !
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 12:56 PM
Jul 2020

** UN-FUCKING-BEATABLE **

intheflow

(30,164 posts)
30. Please, God! Make it so!
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 03:01 PM
Jul 2020

Takket

(23,698 posts)
31. an entire debate focused on religious issues would be something to see..........
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 03:06 PM
Jul 2020

not that seeing biden drag drumpf through the mud would move any of the rethug base, but it would still be humiliating for drumpf

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