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49% still support trump. I despise these people with ever fiber.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)pwb
(11,261 posts)So there is that.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)138,000 + dead with NO plan to improve anything. Im so fucking over it.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Oh never mind. I doubt you would understand,
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)agingdem
(7,849 posts)is he saying 49% of the electorate bc if he is that's not true...Trump's will-go-to-the-grave-for Trump sycophants are not that many...they support him because he voices their hate...but the demographics have changed...we are a multicultural multi-ethnic population...blacks, hispanics, muslims, jews, asians, native Americans, LGBT.....there isn't race, an ethnic group, a gender the orange maggot hasn't dog whistled for the benefit of his base...but all of us have long memories and we can vote...we are the majority...and again bullshit to the 49%
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)the dumpclan is a minority. Its just disheartening to know his level of support is that high.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)on the part of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Evangelical Christian leaders, and the Republican Party to feed the American people one of the longest standing misinformation propaganda ever. Its been going on since Reagan. Its a miracle that only 49% of White people have abandoned all critical thinking to believe this.
Just because you and I were busy using our Critical thinking and common sense discriminatory abilities doesnt mean it wasnt working on some people.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Every once in awhile, I tune in to Faux Snooze to see how they're spinning things, and it is remarkable how they can cook a story to keep the deplorables on board with the Trump train.
It's an enormous propaganda machine. Goebbels would have been envious of it.
Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,752 posts)other non-Fox option on the radio. Its either religion, country music, screaming heavy metal, or if any talk it's invariably a RW gasbag. Sometimes you get the hog report if its a farming area.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the white majority above all to change voting behaviors. Yes, they target AA, mostly their men, with some success, and have made real advances recently among Hispanic conservatives, again especially males, but not entirely.
OneCA, if you want to despise all of some group, how about abandoning race as the focus of hostility and instead targeting all men of all colors ? Men are more prone to bigotry and aggressive antagonism than women, and I promise you that the kind of black and brown men who despise white men and women of all colors are just as ugly as their white fellows.
(Sorry, guys who don't think you deserve this, but bigoted as misandry is, at least it isn't racism.
)
kentuck
(111,089 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,425 posts)Go ahead and alert on my reply. It won't be the first time that's happened.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,425 posts){edited to add "Please."}
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Get it?
Response to onecaliberal (Reply #8)
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onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Bye now.
TexasTowelie
(112,150 posts)demmiblue
(36,845 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,010 posts)Not the most logical thing I've seen you post.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)The OP is stating an opinion obviously based on despair.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,329 posts)Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #3)
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muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)and yet, you are saying you're thinking of leaving a Democratic website because of a temporary ambiguity. That's a gross over-reaction.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)"A temporary ambiguity?" Wow. "Not a good idea?" Who are you to tell me what is a good idea Muriel?
Again, this is why I'm done with this place.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)that they were talking about. As you'd expect, anyway.
I'm a fellow DUer. I think it's fine for DUers to offer each other constructive advice about staying on DU. I really cannot understand why you are offended by people suggesting you stay on a site you've been part of for years.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Do you think that's a cool kid kind of reply?
Oh my.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Deal with it.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Why?
DavidDvorkin
(19,475 posts)SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)dustyscamp
(2,224 posts)That's something atleast
Siwsan
(26,260 posts)But who knows.
unblock
(52,208 posts)Well, power of brainwashing and denial. There's enough bigotry in the media, notably foxnews and hate radio, to reinforce their increasingly bizarre worldview.
It's really hard to break out of a twisted worldview, and especially hard when there's still constant reinforcement of it. This is why they refuse to watch anything other than fox news. It's reassuring for them.
This is why donnie needs to be crushed in November. Nothing but a complete humiliation has even a chance of breaking through. Long term, though, we need a better answer to foxnews. Not just a left wing version. More like constantly dismissing it as crackpot fringe nonsense. Big mistake to have ever treated it as an actual news source.
CrispyQ
(36,461 posts)Uppity women, minorities, and gays need not apply. And as for us white liberals who believe that all of us are equal and deserve equality and equity in the system, they view us as the worst of all because we betrayed our "race." These people make me vomit.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Backseat Driver
(4,392 posts)based on generalization; were you only assessing white Americans? And yes, it means that 51%, a very slim majority by your number, don't support him - perhaps they do support his party whose questionable leadership wouldn't do the right thing and remove him from office.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,114 posts)validity.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,114 posts)figures I've seen in the past. Thanks again for ID'ing the source for me, I appreciate it. Take care and be safe!
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)sweetloukillbot
(11,009 posts)HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts).
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)🤦🏼?♀️
jalan48
(13,863 posts)arrived on their shores.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,329 posts)iemitsu
(3,888 posts)demmiblue
(36,845 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)Plenty of repugs have spoke out against him so no one can hide behind Im a party man this year .
The racists and facist types are happy as ever
HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)your metric of who to despise.
But the bad news is, chances are you're despised by the other 49%.
And around and around we go.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)I live amongst them. Its sickening.
HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)use the same terminology when talking about the 'other' side.
'Hatred', 'Sickening', Despise', etc.
Sad.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Response to onecaliberal (Reply #45)
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Igel
(35,300 posts)Helps not bothering to define "equality".
Income, calories/day, educational achievement, # of sexual partners or sex acts per year, height, job prospects, access to medical care and national parks, lifespan, presumption of innocence and due process ...
meadowlander
(4,395 posts)with traumatising kids and throwing them in cages, clinging to memorials glorifying slavery, conspiring with foreign dictatorships to steal elections, doing nothing about bounties being offered on US troops, teargassing peaceful protestors for a photo op, ignoring lawful Congressional subpoenas to ensure basic oversight and transparency, refusing to wear masks even though they know this is likely to kill people, and not taking any action while the planet slowly boils alive.
So, you know, context.
HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)abortion on demand - well into the third trimester, abolishing the 2nd. Amendment and taking away everyone's guns, throwing open the borders to criminal gangs from Mexico, making sure no conservative thought is allowed on university campuses or editorial pages, getting rid of the police, choking business to death with regulation, destroying capitalism and replacing it with Socialism.
Right?
No, of course they (we) aren't.
There are extremes in each party, but as Rep. John Lewis (I'm guessing you've heard of him) once said -
"We are one people with one family. We all live in the same house... and through books, through information, we must find a way to say to people that we must lay down the burden of hate. For hate is too heavy a burden to bear."
So, you know, understanding.
meadowlander
(4,395 posts)without a single Republican except Mitt Romney saying boo against it, and your list only exists on Earth 2, the Fox News version of what "liberalism" is actually about.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)About done here, but glad to see the efforts of those who aren't.
Been here for many years, but about to say no more. What a change I've sewn.
HotTeaBag
(1,206 posts)for what I wrote.
If so, please don't leave.
I've been here for many years as well - leaving periodically when it gets to be too much. People have always been snippy (even as far back as 2004 when I first came across the site) but there's been a steady march over the years to actually become the caricature that the Right accuses us of being.
Without voices to push back when things veer too far then there will come a day when DU will simply become a place where group think and knee-jerk reaction rule the day, and as DU is probably the best site to discuss issues with like-minded fellow travelers, that would be a sad day indeed.
In essence, do what you have to do but your presence will be missed.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)See reply #101.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)stopdiggin
(11,301 posts)and yet (granted, in smaller numbers) they do. talk about head spinning!
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Bettie
(16,095 posts)and I'm a white people myself!
I live in a small town in Iowa.
I am surrounded by redneck assholes who are monumentally stupid.
Most of them have lived here since birth and seldom even leave the state.
After 19 years in this town we're still "new people", because we don't have great-grandparents who grew up here...we get some new families once in a while, even some Black families. They leave in less than a year. I know this because I'm usually the one who sits by the moms at school concerts and other school events, since I'm an outcast as well.
There are liberals here, but they are afraid to speak up.
I have evangelical relatives in Wisconsin, Illinois, Florida, and S. Carolina. ALL of them are right wing tools.
I want to move somewhere more diverse simply so I don't feel like I'm screaming into the void all the time.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)He is still very popular here. Will probably be re-elected again. I can relate.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)to the exclusion of other factors. They hate black people with ever fiber. That's why they are racist.
It's something that the right does.
Fortunately, it doesn't happen here.
Laffy Kat
(16,377 posts)ooky
(8,922 posts)higher intelligence than a plant can see that. There are 49% that will vote for the "R" candidate for their various personal selfish reasons.
Rich white
Gun humper white
Racist white
Republican lie believing white
etc...
The "R" could be "The Devil" and they would vote for him.
Kaleva
(36,298 posts)onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Who think there will be no consequence for their actions I cant be ambivalent or turn away any more. Weve gotten to this point because people turn away or dont act because it doesnt affect them. I cant stand idly by anymore.
maximusveritas
(2,915 posts)If people still support Trump after all this, they are not worth thinking about.
We need to focus on getting our people out to vote especially in battleground states
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Killing more people every day.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)But for these 49% of white people who are so racist they are willing to vote for a lying clown so long as he's beating up on people of color, we wouldn't have 140,000 dead Americans right now. President Clinton would have nipped it in the bud like South Korea did, after she was tipped off by her CDC embedded epidemiologists in Wuhan who she didn't fire last year.
Hell, the whole world would have been spared, like it was by Obama from ebola.
The hell that 49% of racist white Americans have brought upon us, and the world, is incalculable, and unbearable.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)Kaleva
(36,298 posts)People who really believe in something are ready and willing to risk their freedom, standard of living, friends, family and even their lives.
"Obama said Saturday that he hugged Lewis at his inauguration in 2009 and "told him I was only there because of the sacrifices he made."
Lewis "loved this country so much that he risked his life and his blood so that it might live up to its promise," Obama wrote. "
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/17/rep-john-lewis-civil-rights-icon-original-freedom-rider-has-died/795340002/
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Before covid I was registering people to vote and walking precincts with volunteers in my county democratic central committee. My husband is immunocompromised so I am home to protect him.
Kaleva
(36,298 posts)I think you very much dislike what you've talked about and your level of actions correspond to that but it in't to the level of hate.
I do give you much credit for taking action though as some say they hate or bitterly oppose something but do nothing more then make a post here.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Omg.
Bless your heart.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and some campaigns send postcards. I assume someone who is interested enough in politics to be at DU has worked on campaigns. None you've worked on has sent out postcards to constituents? Not sure why that's funny.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Let me get some postcards ready to send out to defeat the orange menace.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I live in a swing state so maybe we get more postcards than you do. Or maybe you have no argument and you're deflecting.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Here's an example of postcards for a campaign.
Looks like the Dems plan to send 13 million postcards. I assume you won't be helping. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/507521-dem-group-plans-to-send-13-million-hand-written-postcards-to-voters-in
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Gee, I don't know.
No one cares.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)I am a fucking White person.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)is unfortunately common. Particularly on the left for the group loathing, but anyone can fall prey to this problem.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)other and can't make even basic assumptions when so many unknowns are involved. Despising white people does not preclude being one of those white people. Or, of course, any other color.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Coulda sworn that straw man was murdered a long time ago.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Nice strawman
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)To POC and their cultural skills, talents and history
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Nothing wrong with those white people, I guess.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)YouGov 12-14 Jul: Biden 42% Trump 49% https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/hpupr0zhkl/econTabReport.pdf
Fox Biden 12-15 Jul: 42% Trump 48% https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/07/Fox_July-12-15-2020_Complete_National_Topline_July-19-Release.pdf
ABC/WP Trump has 4 percentage point lead: https://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1214a22020Election.pdf
In the YouGov poll which has the 49% for Trump, 'Other' is 4%, 'Not Sure' 4%, 'wouldn't vote' 1%. It says registered voters, but I think that must be adjusted for "likely to vote". But Trump is still ahead among white voters, unfortunately.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Can you link to a source, please?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)This post is bizarre.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Good question.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Too funny.
Did you mean "every" because ever makes no sense.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)49%? Yeah that's a problem.
Hekate
(90,673 posts)...that includes a large proportion of white Boomers (oh, the horror) who joined up in droves after Dubya was inaugurated. Also the three founders of DU, who seem to be (gasp) white, though younger by far.
OF COURSE TRUMPERS ARE A PROBLEM. THEY ARE PARTICIPATING IN DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. WHAT DO YOU AND THE OP THINK WE ARE DOING HERE?
Too subtle? Sorry about that.
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)We see it in their support of Trump. We see it when they feel entitled to confront a person of color who appears to be out of place. The White men in GA that killed the African American jogger is a prime example.
Trump is their king. Trump is proof that you can be dumb, stupid, bigoted, uneducated, and still be rich and powerful just because you're White, specifically a White male.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Ugly and nasty op that no one would post about any other racial group. You are disgusting, I do not care if my post is hidden. You are are a stupid person who cannot back up your ugly claims. Most of this board is made up of white people. None of whom support the asshat.
We will wait for your proof of white people supporting rump.
Hekate
(90,673 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Sad.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Every time people talk about racism (and I'll argue white people's support of trump largely equals racism) there are a ton of comments making it all about white people's comfort.
Hekate
(90,673 posts)I guess 51% of us are just well-meaning idiots wasting our time, then.Not to mention DU's population
...that includes a large proportion of white Boomers (oh, the horror) who joined up in droves after Dubya was inaugurated. Also the three founders of DU, who seem to be (gasp) white, though younger by far.
OF COURSE TRUMPERS ARE A PROBLEM. THEY ARE PARTICIPATING IN DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. WHAT DO YOU AND THE OP THINK WE ARE DOING HERE?
Too subtle? Sorry about that.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)The OP is wondering why a large percentage of white people support trump. #notallwhitepeople isn't much of a help when discussing that question.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)demmiblue
(36,845 posts)demmiblue
(36,845 posts)The "some white people" is implied with the 49%. It reminds me of the mansplainers who throw a hissy fit when a woman posts something negative about men. But you didn't say "some"...
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)The people who want to purposely twist the meaning of my post or imply something I didnt say are just showing their cards. And frankly we all need to know who they are.
JI7
(89,248 posts)white men like Lyndon Johnson and Bill Clinton knew how deep it was.
Beringia
(4,316 posts)About American history is apparently too much to ask from some people. I have a nephew who said trump would bring this country together. He is 25. I think it has to do with growing up in Alaska. Myself, I think I would have been repulsed by trump at any age from 1 to 60 no matter what state I grew up in
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Even if you didnt know him before he ran, after the pussy grabbing comment there is no longer an excuse.
betsuni
(25,481 posts)About 40% of Americans say that Ranch is their favorite dressing. Does the sentence "Americans love Ranch dressing" get anyone upset? Do they rush to comment, "Well, I'm American and I don't like Ranch. I make my own dressing!" No, they do not.
What the hell is wrong with white people is a perfectly reasonable question. They came to this continent and by accident or on purpose pretty much wiped out the native populations, then broke every treaty with the remaining people. Cut down the trees, plowed up the prairies, killed the buffalo. Kidnapped Africans and thought that, even though they were Christians, it was perfectly fine to own people. Thought it was fine to give American citizens a few days to dispose of all their property and throw them into internment camps for years. They turned food into tasteless chemical garbage that makes people obese and sick. Turned everything into an advertisement, us into consumers, turned news into entertainment. Turned the Republican Party, formerly the country club party, into a radical religious nutbag party; an insane moron drug addict like Trump is sort of the perfect ending.
It's a bummer, but it's just a generalization. No need to take it personally. I make my own Ranch with yogurt.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)The sportsbooks loaded with angry bigoted right wing males, primarily from the South.
Consequently nothing has surprised me over the past 35 years. The attitudes and hate were always there, merely underestimated numbers and degree...prior to the internet, cell phones, social media and then Trump
Coventina
(27,115 posts)Hang in there, onecaliberal, most of us understand your message.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Move forward. I want everyone to have the same privileges my skin color affords me. Its really that simple.
Nature Man
(869 posts)never disappoints. Almost like the messaging is coordinated.
Not surprised. The more I post here, the less real this place seems, almost as if the Discussionist sewer backed up into the DU water main. "Feels" like there's fewer than 50 people who actually post here and they all have multiple sock/fictitious accounts.
Most of us do understand the OP's message and agree.
Coventina
(27,115 posts)One of them ended up FFR.
Another says they're leaving.
We'll see.....
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Because he's going to get decimated in every minority demographic. So I will take this number to the bank tyvm.
Demovictory9
(32,453 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)I'm white, and I used to have a white friend / coworker who often sent me links to attacks of white men by African Americans -- e.g., the "knockout game".
It didn't affect me because I know it's not the norm, and it's possible to demonize just about anyone or anything with a concerted effort. For example, I could post videos of dogs that attack people or only the stories of them mauling people. I have no desire to do that, but the obvious goal of such behavior would be to steer the audience toward a particular narrative that doesn't represent dogs as a whole.
The Russians are probably playing a role in racial strife too.
Edit:
And algorithms of the internet often keep people in extremist bubbles too. A person who searches for attacks on white men will tend to get MORE links to similar stories.
Google obviously knows that I'm very interested in Covid-19 now because I get a lot of stories about it. In the past, it kept sending me stories about quantum mechanics, which I'd searched many times previously.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Baltimike
(4,143 posts)Hotler
(11,420 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Clinton came close to winning a plurality in a three person race.
It is what it is.