With Trump actually using a new, violent secret police against citizens...

[Kablooie]

I think it's naive to expect the election to resolve the problem.

Trump will not let a fair election occur and he is demonstrating that he will be willing to use violence to stop it.
We are deep in the birth of a new fascist government and all we seem to be able to do is watch and hope it will go away in November.

I have no idea what to do but we are in serious danger.

[triron]

1. People are even afraid to face this possibility

[jaxexpat]

2. We can, will and are doing the most difficult thing already.

Waiting without forgetting. Trusting in a system we know to be in disrepair. Seeking comfort in the usual places only to realize we've never been there before. Nail biting, hair pulling, teeth gnashing; a real sackcloth and ashes time.

[42bambi]

3. Where are the Portland police? Why don't they intervene and put a

stop to this obscene so called military operation!

[47of74]

17. They're complicit

They’re loving all this cause they see it as the <insert slurs here> being put in their place.

[Imallin4Joe]

4. Trump is building his own SS. His own private police army. Just like Hitler. nt

[Blue Owl]

5. Why is everyone so goddamned afraid and tip-toey around Trump/Barr?

Donny is an overgrown man-toddler with the brain to match, and Barr is just a loser thug doing his bidding.

TIME TO MARCH THESE SACKS OF SHIT OUT before they can damage the country any more. We need to take our country back.

[Ferrets are Cool]

7. Because repugs care more about the R behind their names than they do about

the Constitution or about the citizens of this country. I don't think I can be proven wrong.

[Mr.Bill]

10. I think there is massive blackmail going on.

There is a reason Jeffery Epstein is dead. And all the evidence from his houses are in the hands of Trump's DOJ.

[Ferrets are Cool]

6. I, too, am fearful

I can't remember any more dangerous times in this country in my lifetime of 64 years.

[bucolic_frolic]

8. Courts

Courts are still functioning. Also his tactics are widely recognized, and we have two benefits that were not available in the 1930s: 1) a historical record of a previous fascist period and government, and 2) a video record of that period. We are better informed.

Our political leaders and civil rights groups litigate the secret police in the courts. Also voting rights. Our Democratic Party is not paralyzed, but there's not much they can do with power only in the House. They need the elections.

Also, don't fight the fight alone. Join your local Democratic County party, or a local campaign group. There is strength and support in numbers!

[NNadir]

9. They will not prevail. They have neither the resources nor the manpower to do anything...

...other than frighten people.

If we have courage and face them down, they will collapse.

Donny will die in Prison or in office, but the time in office runs out in January.

Do not forget that this cowardly stupid man cowered in a bunker.

[bucolic_frolic]

12. We're lucky he isn't competent

If he had fought COVID like Governor Cuomo, he'd be a hero. But his incompetence carried the day.

[NNadir]

31. We are learning from his niece that his entire live has been lived as a pathetic clown.

Fox News cheering for Pathetic clowns has allowed pathetic clowns to put a pathetic clown in power by a hair, using the slave era electoral college, but it's all coming home to roost, isn't it.

[Kablooie]

13. I wonder who these stormtroopers are. Where did he get them?

and how many are available to terrorize the population?

[NNadir]

14. Probably just a bunch of drunken lazy assed MAGATS with limited brain power and no understanding...

...of how to get from point A to point B.

They're not carrying IDs because they're not trained, and they're not competent and they lack a shred of official status.

They will fail. Why? Because their boss is a failure, incompetent to core, a whiny little coward who never had a shred of intellectual gravitas and whose brain is obviously in a state of physiological collapse.

[Kablooie]

16. Hitler had around 2 million storm troopers by the time he took power in 1933.

I can't imagine Trump gathering that many thugs willing to work for him, but I could be wrong.

Hitler took almost 10 years to grow his unofficial army to that size.
But he used right-wing thugs, of which we have plenty in this country today.

[NNadir]

18. Hitler lived in a country with a very brief history of democracy and no history of the rule of law.

It is notable that the Weimar Republic was largely imposed on Germany by the victorious World War I victors, and was identified with them, and had very little credibility with the German citizens at large, whose life experience involved living under an autocratic monarchy.

The situation is very different in the United States, which has a 2 century + rule of constitutional law.

Also Hitler did not create the condition of Germany in 1933.

Trump came to power when the United States was a beacon to the world, and an economic super power.

It is now fast becoming a pariah nation.

The Hitler analogy is very weak, and one would need to be as badly educated as Trump to put any credence in it.

[liberalgunwilltravel]

24. Sand out of your ears

When you remove your head, make sure to clear the sand out of your ears so you can hear the Republican Brown shirts coming for you. The GOP has been playing Hitler’s game since the 60’s. Only now has it taken root.

[NNadir]

27. Oh please...

I do not credit your rhetoric, probably because I'm an old man, and clearly, I have read extensively in history for almost all of my adult life.

Rather than cower in fear, I suggest you relax, open a history book, and show some fucking courage.

Trump is a man with no intellect who has just emerged from cowering in a bunker that no other President even knew was there.

[Kablooie]

33. Good points.

I know the German people felt humiliated by WW1 and Hitler promised to restore them to world power.
You're right the political climate and dynamics are very different here.

What may be happening is Trump TRYING to emulate Hitler and grab power in a similar way.
It's disturbing and scary but it is not likely to follow the same historical path that Hitler took but I still don't feel confident that justice will prevail.

Thank god that Trump is such a dunderhead.
If he was clever and really knew what he was doing we would be in even more trouble.
It's troublesome that such a dense fool can cause so much disruption though.
I hope some new checks and balances are put in place soon to protect against this.

[NNadir]

35. Anyone raising the Hitler analogy would need to identify a Hindenberg and a Von Papen.

There aren't any such people.

There's an unruly mob of racists who are vastly out numbered by a nation of rational people with a long tradition of respect for the law.

The Trumpers are a brief historical anomaly who will be forgotten.

[Kablooie]

39. I still think we are in danger.

We don't have a malleable leaders like Hindenburg and Von Papen that Trump could manipulate and push aside, (I've read Rise and Fall of the Third Reich), but we do have a Republican majority in the Senate that endorses every unconstitutional horror that Trump and his chimps can gin up so in a way we've already passed that and are into our Reichstag Fire period.

Now if Trump was following the playbook he could use the pandemic to increase his power beyond normal Constitutional limits.
If he were to do this ,his first actions would be to make the pandemic as bad as he possibly could. This is what he is doing now.
Then once it gets to true catastrophic proportions he suddenly takes control and the media cheers him on.
He orders strict lockdowns with military enforcement to back him up.
By the time the election comes around we would be under martial law and the election would be 'postponed' indefinitely.

I think there are parallels and a definitive Biden outcome in November might not be as inevitable as people hope.

[NNadir]

44. You're attributing an ability to reason and plan to...

...Trump that he simply and clearly does not possess.

He's a fool and a clown.

Hitler was 41 years old when he rose to power, and despite clearly being an evil reactionary, had a dynamic and hypnotic personality. He was a powerful and well rehearsed speaker, in a ravaged country looking to repudiate a punitive peace treaty.

Trump is an evil and stupid man in clesr intellectual decline despite having started, intellectually, from an unimpressive height.

He will be gone soon enough, and may end up dying in prison or, alternatively escaping to asylum in Russia.

[Scarsdale]

25. Eric Prince of Blackwater is

more than likely involved in this. He is the brother of Betsy DeVos. He made a fortune organizing an illegal team of fighters in Iraq and other middle east wars. He should be hauled in, and questioned. Who pays for the weapons and uniforms for these secret soldiers? Are they white supremecists? He had secret meetings with Russian agents in various parts of the world earlier in tRump's campaign. His bank accounts should be audited. How much taxpayer money has he already received?

[JI7]

42. Your posts in this thread are important for people to read

They are counting on people being scared because they do lack resources to do this everywhere. And based on the protests for black lives matter just the young population would be too much for them to deal with .

These are different times and they don't have the numbers on their side like Hitler did .

[Efilroft Sul]

11. We know what we have to do. We just don't want to say it.

[liberalgunwilltravel]

19. Bingo

Why are some liberals so fearful of stating the obvious? We will likely have to fight to save our democratic republic. It is truly that simple. If you aren’t willing to sacrifice, you aren’t worthy of the republic we love.

[Efilroft Sul]

22. Double bingo.

If kids are going back into schools during a pandemic this fall, their daily acts of courage will shame us if we don't fight for this country.

[SergeStorms]

32. Someone posted the other day, in a similar thread...

"the gun stores are still open". Yes, they are. I'm 70 years old and have grandchildren I'd like to see grow up in a free country. I won't go quietly.

[marlakay]

40. I tell ya I have never shot or owned a gun

In my life, always been peaceful and wish our country outlawed them but after reading about Trump's private SS army I am thinking maybe the time is finally here to get something to protect myself.

The police aren't going to do it, the state police in Oregon got shamed for not wearing masks in public by governor and regular police are angry at protesters.

I have read so many books about Germany and how they never believed what happened would. The people were starving and out of jobs and Hitler promised to help them. He conned them just like how Trump is trying to do.

We Americans are going to have to stand up for ourselves if no one else will.

[SergeStorms]

41. Exactly.

The 2nd amendment wasn't written solely for republicans and far right-fanatics.

[Harker]

15. He's too lazy and dim to be the "brains"

behind anything more elaborate than a pedophile orgy.

The rampant fascism is systemic on the right.

[liberalgunwilltravel]

20. It's Barr.

You’re right about his dimness. It’s Barr and Miller.

[Harker]

38. That's a good start...

They're two at the point of the pyramid.

[Texin]

21. Kablooie, I feel the same way you do about this.

If there were just one - just one - rethuglican speaking out against this, I'd feel a little bit of relief, but as it is right now, I hear nothing but crickets from the dis-loyal opposition. Shitler has his Homeland Security militarized goons deployed on the streets of Portland right now, and this is a test case. He's going to go nationwide - and has said as much and so has Cuccinelli. They're going to be occupying the streets very soon across the U.S., especially in traditional Democratic states and precincts. They're going to intimidate prospective voters and cause problems for people to actually turn out safely. This is a means of armed suppression, and god only knows what the likes of Russia, China and the Sauds are cooking up to ratfuck the results. And god helps us, RBG is likely hanging on by a thread and the country is exploding with uncontained, untested, unreported COVID virus with no vaccine, no cure and few and iffy remedies.

[Orrex]

23. If he steals the election again, then we will be at the point of "by any means necessary"

And, when children start dying by the thousands on the altar of Trump's ego, grieving parents will line up for the chance to assassinate him.

[The Wizard]

26. It will 10 million American patriots

to march into DC and physically remove him as if he were Mussolini or Hitler.

[2naSalit]

29. ++++++++++++++!!

[tiredtoo]

28. Being an old fart in failing health

I really hope it does not come to what some have suggested here. I would prefer we soundly trounce him in November and then remove him and his cronies from office by any means necessary. If not, I offer my limited services in anyway possible to remove him.
*note this is not to be construed as anything illegal.

[johnthewoodworker]

30. The fascist shit will escalate. The coup is on. November through January is a terrible time to hit

the streets in Wisconsin. Pussy grabber doesn't care about his standing in the election because the election is not going to determine the next president. He can't allow the DOJ to fall into democratic hands. Republicans are not using gestapo tactics for just 6 more months as a final hurrah and they are not going to allow some good hearted voters to ruin their coup.

[Joinfortmill]

34. People are doing what they can

They're out in the street; they're donating to Democratic candidates; they're registering to vote. It's the corrupt GOP controlled Senate that has failed to act. The Republicans need to turn against Trump or the deep state needs to drop an information bomb so damaging against Trump, he resigns.

[StarfishSaver]

37. People are out in the street

While being lectured to by ostensible allies telling them they're not being polite enough and they're making too many people uncomfortable ...

[ecstatic]

36. Yep. So many people are still in deep denial.

I knew things would never be normal in this country after the caged babies. There is nothing trump won't do and get away with. Look at each of his escalating crimes. Nothing is ever done about it. Why should we expect that it won't be the same limp response after he steals or negates the election?

That being said, I will crawl over broken glass to vote. But if that doesn't work, we will all have to get out into the streets and stay there until he's removed.

[uponit7771]

45. +1, "after the caged babies." ... this was my tell also; few if any times in history did a leader of

... a country set out to abuse massive amounts of children as a policy and things went right for that person or that nation that supported them ... fact or fiction.

Trump is a dark force

One thing that can be done is to hit the streets and get the house to not certify Trumps election ... I think she holds all the power.

[Vinca]

43. This is Duterte in the White House.